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[Talogrungi]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

Not sure if I understand the criticism here; the events in Kirkwall (and Hawke's role in them) came to a fairly definate conclusion at the end of the game and served to set the stage for the inevitable world-spanning conflict that we all know is coming in DA3.

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you must be ok with only recieving the first half of titanic thw one with all the character development and not getting the second disc in the case, the one with all the action, the climax and the ending. and yes that was a TANKMEN reference.

That's .. a fairly random tangent .. maybe because I don't know what a TANKMEN is.

I equate DA to ME; by the end of ME2 we hadn't defeated the Reapers, but had concluded the immediate story arc and set the stage for the ensuing conflict. I was fine with it in ME, and I'm just as fine with it in DA.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Talogrungi wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

Not sure if I understand the criticism here; the events in Kirkwall (and Hawke's role in them) came to a fairly definate conclusion at the end of the game and served to set the stage for the inevitable world-spanning conflict that we all know is coming in DA3.

But why did I have to pay $60 for this....

I can understand that criticism; the events of DA2 do take place in a very confined area, but isn't there a reason for that? .. with the opening cutscene we're made to understand that the events that took place in Kirkwall were historically critical and had a massive wide-reaching impact. By the end of the game we realise exactly what that impact was, and we have a pretty good idea what's going to be happening in DA3.

Sure, they could have made you traipse over to Starkhaven on a side-quest or two, and while it would have been nice to see a bit more of the free marches and get out of the city a bit more, would it have really made much of a difference to the gameplay and the story? ..

Except you have no impact at all. You were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The major events that take place in the game happen regardless of your involvement.

[planed scaped]

Talogrungi wrote...


would it have really made much of a difference to the gameplay and the story? ..

No not really. The only thing that could've made the game better would've been another year or 2 of development.

I'd rather wait for a great game then play a mediocre one every year.

Modifié par planed scaped, 26 mars 2011 - 08:20 .

[kijikun]

I'm sorry did they not give you a pretty "The End" and tie up all the loose ends?  I love how people are complaing about this.  I thought it was pretty damn obvious from the start when weren't going to get anywhere CLOSE to a nice little happily ever after. I think half of peoples problems if that there is no perfect ending, that you can't fix things.  The Warden was dealing with a far diffrent issues than Hawke.

If you dislike the framing that's one thing, but claiming you only got half a game? Come on now.

And maybe next time, wait for a game to be out for a bit and read reviews. That's what I did. Bioware has your money and I bet more of it when more DLC's come out.

[Mad-Max90]

Talogrungi wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

Not sure if I understand the criticism here; the events in Kirkwall (and Hawke's role in them) came to a fairly definate conclusion at the end of the game and served to set the stage for the inevitable world-spanning conflict that we all know is coming in DA3.

But why did I have to pay $60 for this....

I can understand that criticism; the events of DA2 do take place in a very confined area, but isn't there a reason for that? .. with the opening cutscene we're made to understand that the events that took place in Kirkwall were historically critical and had a massive wide-reaching impact. By the end of the game we realise exactly what that impact was, and we have a pretty good idea what's going to be happening in DA3.

Sure, they could have made you traipse over to Starkhaven on a side-quest or two, and while it would have been nice to see a bit more of the free marches and get out of the city a bit more, would it have really made much of a difference to the gameplay and the story? ..

the champion was represented in the game as somewhat of an ambassodor and yet you can't leave the city on at least a political quest, and even if you become viscount you abandon the city at the end, what is that about

[DaewaNya]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

`I also hate to be that guy to bring up the romances, but I'm going to, and I'm not hating on anybody that's not what this is about, this is my opinion and I am allowed to have one.  I do not think bioware should have gone the way they did regarding them, I also strongly disagree with a hetero ****** switch, that's disgusting to me, what I do wish they did was have a gay companion a bi companion and a hetero companion, it's equal to everybody, because lets face it, some gamers don't want everycharacter in the game to be bi, and I am bisexual, It is just not everyday i walk down the street and every man and woman wants to hop in the sheets.

I'm glad Bioware made every companion bisexual, this way I don't have to switch my character gender to romance every companion which is great because I only play as female. That being said, I fully understand how you feel. As Bioware can't please everyone though, they had to make a decision on who will be pleased this time. I'm part of the lucky ones . Better luck next time maybe, since you were with DAO.

[Glorfindel709]

I didn't want a happily ever after. It was fairly obvious from the beginning that that would not be happening. But what I did expect was actual conflict resolution and the possibility of the story being shown as effected by the presence of my so called "Champion"

There was none, and now I have to pay $10+ to find out what happens next in the same that should have been included in the final product? Bite me.

[Mad-Max90]

kijikun wrote...

I'm sorry did they not give you a pretty "The End" and tie up all the loose ends?  I love how people are complaing about this.  I thought it was pretty damn obvious from the start when weren't going to get anywhere CLOSE to a nice little happily ever after. I think half of peoples problems if that there is no perfect ending, that you can't fix things.  The Warden was dealing with a far diffrent issues than Hawke.

If you dislike the framing that's one thing, but claiming you only got half a game? Come on now.

And maybe next time, wait for a game to be out for a bit and read reviews. That's what I did. Bioware has your money and I bet more of it when more DLC's come out.

did you read the posts? i said earlier that half a story does not equal half a game so don't come here on your fanboy horse and tell me to deal with half a story i paid 60 bucks for, oh and forgive me for giving my favourite developers more credit than I should have by not preordering months in advance, I loved the rest of their games this one felt lacking to the vast majority of people who played it.

Oh and did it ever occur to you why people seem to be complaining about this, it's because selling us half a story for 60 dollars is apparently the hip thing to do to loyal fans and customers nowdays

Modifié par Mad-Max90, 26 mars 2011 - 08:32 .

[Talogrungi]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

@Talo

Honestly mate, I shouldnt have to pay 60 dollars for what amounted to "setting the stage" in what was honestly a poorly written and poorly executed story. I understand that this is a series, but DA:O was self contained along with building the world. There was no reason DA2 couldnt have done the same, had they not tried to completely redo the game in 1.2 years.

This is always going to come down to opinion, but I actually preferred the DA2 story to the Origins one. I've played a great many games in my time, and have saved many different worlds in a great variety of ways by defeating a plethora of nefarious evil villains. It's possibly the biggest cliché in the history of story-telling.

I'm a fan of fictional literature, and I read a lot .. and I enjoyed Hawke's story.

As for the dollar value; well .. I have a shelf full of games purchased over the last 15 or so years that I have spent less time playing than I have already put into DA2, and I'm not even close to done with the game yet.

[planed scaped]

kijikun wrote...

I'm sorry did they not give you a pretty "The End"-----

It's not that there isn't a "happy ending" it's there is no ending. You fight Meredith and then walk off into the sunet. What would've made then ending 10x better would be if there was a couple hours of gameplay after Varric's interrogation, in the present.

Also, I've only played one game in my life that had a perfect ending. And that was Lost Odyssey >__>

[Serpieri Nei]

I payed $60 dollars for half a game, and the half I got was recycled.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

kijikun wrote...

I'm sorry did they not give you a pretty "The End" and tie up all the loose ends?  I love how people are complaing about this.  I thought it was pretty damn obvious from the start when weren't going to get anywhere CLOSE to a nice little happily ever after. I think half of peoples problems if that there is no perfect ending, that you can't fix things.  The Warden was dealing with a far diffrent issues than Hawke.

If you dislike the framing that's one thing, but claiming you only got half a game? Come on now.

And maybe next time, wait for a game to be out for a bit and read reviews. That's what I did. Bioware has your money and I bet more of it when more DLC's come out.

Unlikely. I've learned all I could from Isabella.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

I think the game I've put the most hours into is Fallout New Vegas. Nearly 200. Kill me now.XD

[Queef Master]

Guys come on.

It was clearly $60 to test the beta. The real game hasnt released yet.

[Talogrungi]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Except you have no impact at all. You were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The major events that take place in the game happen regardless of your involvement.

Yes, this is another valid criticism; we don't get to see the impact of our involvement, but that doesn't mean we have none. We're swept along with events and it doesn't seem like the choices we make affect much of anything while we're experiencing them; they'll (almost) certainly become apparent in DA3.

But yes, I'd have preferred to see more impact in DA2 as well.

[PlumPaul93]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I think the game I've put the most hours into is Fallout New Vegas. Nearly 200. Kill me now.XD

they ever patch it? sold it to preorder DA2 , was tired of them not fixing things.

[Glorfindel709]

`@Talo

And while I disagree with your opinion, I will respect it. I am also a big fan of fictional literature (I'm currently writing my own original SciFi novel and trying to learn about the publishing process via Short Stories) and I personally found the DA:O story more engaging. In DA2, to me, it felt like I didnt have any real impact or effect beyond the climax of Act 2. Hawke was always just in the wrong place at the right time, and people apparently respected him/her for it.

It was the illusion of choice; and even if Origins was the cliche "Fight the ancient enemy and save the world" story, it certainly had many more elements that made the game personal for me - *I* was Glorfindel Surana, mage of the Circle Tower, Grey Warden, and Maleficar. The choices I made and the people I interacted with had a real effect on the world, and I was able to at least discover what those effects were. In DA2, I feel that that was entirely absent -- every road led to the same conclusion, no matter what (and while you can argue that every road led to the Archdemon, that certainly wasn't so with some of the side quests, plot area quests that we had like Mages Collective, Dagna, Conner/Isolde/Jowan, Mage/Templar Harrowmont/Bhelen, Dalish/Werewolf etc etc) like the quest All That Remains - no matter what you do, the end result will always be the same.

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 26 mars 2011 - 08:35 .

[Mad-Max90]

I really hope they learn from their mistakes and don't just keep chuggin along like nothing is wrong

[Talogrungi]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

the champion was represented in the game as somewhat of an ambassodor and yet you can't leave the city on at least a political quest, and even if you become viscount you abandon the city at the end, what is that about

Hawke's "ambassador" moments are restricted to the Qunari, Mages and Templars. I haven't completed a playthrough where I become Viscount, so I can't comment on that.

[planed scaped]

Considering the amount of people upset with the game.. If they ignored the outcry... Hoo boy would that make things a lot worse.

Anyway I'm going to bed. The more I post and read here the less and less Civil I get.

Modifié par planed scaped, 26 mars 2011 - 08:36 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

****** Master wrote...

Guys come on.

It was clearly $60 to test the beta. The real game hasnt released yet.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I think the game I've put the most hours into is Fallout New Vegas. Nearly 200. Kill me now.XD

they ever patch it? sold it to preorder DA2 , was tired of them not fixing things.

Don't need to. The bugs are hilarious.

[scpulley]

kijikun wrote...

I'm sorry did they not give you a pretty "The End" and tie up all the loose ends?  I love how people are complaing about this.  I thought it was pretty damn obvious from the start when weren't going to get anywhere CLOSE to a nice little happily ever after. I think half of peoples problems if that there is no perfect ending, that you can't fix things.  The Warden was dealing with a far diffrent issues than Hawke.

If you dislike the framing that's one thing, but claiming you only got half a game? Come on now.

And maybe next time, wait for a game to be out for a bit and read reviews. That's what I did. Bioware has your money and I bet more of it when more DLC's come out.

It's not the 'happy ending' that was important, but they do this neat thing in a story where someone is the window character or narrator. In this case? We had none really. Varric was in a few cutscenes, Hawke just showed up to decide things but never actually was shown to have any reason to get involved. In fact, as someone tied to an apostate mage or an apostate mage himself he had NO reason to want to get involved. Why would he want the attention? I did not think Bioware would suddenly forget how to write a good game when usually that is the strongest part of their work.

[PlumPaul93]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

I think the game I've put the most hours into is Fallout New Vegas. Nearly 200. Kill me now.XD

they ever patch it? sold it to preorder DA2 , was tired of them not fixing things.

Don't need to. The bugs are hilarious.

haha yeah but I was hoping they'd fix quest bugs like the BOS quests, seems like game devs are getting lazier every year