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[Mad-Max90]

Conduit0 wrote...

*sigh* Why do people decide to whine and complain about things they don't understand instead of asking someone to explain it for them?

The story of DA 2 isn't about Hawke, its about the Champion of Kirkwall, yes Kawke happens to be the Champion, but thats irrelevant. The story isn't about Hawke's "life", its about the events surrounding the Champion which ultimately shakes the very foundation of life in Thedas. The story is told to its completion, whether Hawke continues to be a prominent figure or fades into legend is an unrelated matter.

story about champion
hawke is champion
hawke being champion is irrelevant? no they are one in the same, I think it's important that he is also fereldon don't you think, so I would argue that who the champion is completely relevant seeing how you're playing varric's thoughts of him

[Mad-Max90]

NvVanity wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

scpulley wrote...

That's cute, except....who cares who people said he was? The never tied him to anything, like I said he could have been a pigfarmer for how much effect it had on the game. Regardless the world went to hell and lots of people died. I get that the story was about the title, not the man/woman, but if there isn't a primary character to the story, no one has anyone to attach to as the person they are seeing the world through. It's storytelling 101 that Bioware knows better than to skip out on or should.

Oh hey look, an actual intelligent responce! *SQUEEE*

Ahem, anyways I disagree with that sentiment, I felt Hawke's actions influenced the events whether directly or indirectly. For example, without Hawke the Deeproads expedition would never have gotten off the ground, which means the plot device would never have fallen into a certain act 3 antagonists hands resulting in her turning into a paranoid looney that cracks down on a particular group of people harder than ever before. Without Hawke's influence I believe Anders would have stayed in the undercity running his clinics and never got up the nerve nor even had the help to do what he did. Lastly and the most obvious, without Hawke there would have been no one to stop the act 2 antagonist after he finally gets fed up and goes on a rampage.

wow... you follow an insult with a squee... congrats. seriously though, no matter how much you sugercoat it by all standards of a story this game lacked an ending at least a proper ending because just having someone say oh I think that guy is still living, I'm not sure, is not a proper ending and it's really not a proper ending for a 60 dollar game, but hey at least there are people like you willing to accept a uncompleted game and then say well dlc will cover the rest of the story without thinking hey this really should have been included. Don't even get me started on the undoable quest thanks to lack of a trigger...really bioware...really=]

You forgot to say "In my opinion" please don't speak for all us.

sorry I didn't think I had to actually come out and say I'm not the voice of everybody, and by posting it, I thought well you know, It would be taken as an opinion by others. please let me apologize

[Conduit0]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

wow... you follow an insult with a squee... congrats. seriously though, no matter how much you sugercoat it by all standards of a story this game lacked an ending at least a proper ending because just having someone say oh I think that guy is still living, I'm not sure, is not a proper ending and it's really not a proper ending for a 60 dollar game, but hey at least there are people like you willing to accept a uncompleted game and then say well dlc will cover the rest of the story without thinking hey this really should have been included. Don't even get me started on the undoable quest thanks to lack of a trigger...really bioware...really=]

So what, you wanted Varric to say, "and he lived happily ever after"? A single story doesn't have to encompass a person's entire life to have a proper ending. A perfectly valid story can cover just one period of a person's life, in this case DA2 covers Hawke's time in Kirkwall, when he's done in Kirkwall he leaves and the story ends, its as simple as that. Just because Hawke is still alive and kicking out there somewhere doesn't invalidate the ending of the story. As for DLC, I'll put money on any DA2 DLC being side stories while Hawke is still in Kirkwall and none of them being about adventures after he leaves. So no, I'm not looking forward to DLC "finishing the story".
If you're upset about the Mage war not having a resolution, you might want to prepare your self to be upset for quite a while, because I suspect the Mage war will be the backdrop for the next couple DA titles.

[Conduit0]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Really you could say if Hawke didn't fork up the gold someone would have and the artifact would have still been found.

Eh, you could make a similar argument about many fictional heros really, theres nothing that limits the potential for success to only them, other than they just happen to be the ones badass enough to get the job done.

[Mad-Max90]

Conduit0 wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

wow... you follow an insult with a squee... congrats. seriously though, no matter how much you sugercoat it by all standards of a story this game lacked an ending at least a proper ending because just having someone say oh I think that guy is still living, I'm not sure, is not a proper ending and it's really not a proper ending for a 60 dollar game, but hey at least there are people like you willing to accept a uncompleted game and then say well dlc will cover the rest of the story without thinking hey this really should have been included. Don't even get me started on the undoable quest thanks to lack of a trigger...really bioware...really=]

So what, you wanted Varric to say, "and he lived happily ever after"? A single story doesn't have to encompass a person's entire life to have a proper ending. A perfectly valid story can cover just one period of a person's life, in this case DA2 covers Hawke's time in Kirkwall, when he's done in Kirkwall he leaves and the story ends, its as simple as that. Just because Hawke is still alive and kicking out there somewhere doesn't invalidate the ending of the story. As for DLC, I'll put money on any DA2 DLC being side stories while Hawke is still in Kirkwall and none of them being about adventures after he leaves. So no, I'm not looking forward to DLC "finishing the story".
If you're upset about the Mage war not having a resolution, you might want to prepare your self to be upset for quite a while, because I suspect the Mage war will be the backdrop for the next couple DA titles.

Again, I'm not mad because of the whole mage war being a possible backdrop for future DA titles, It was how bioware lied throught their teeth in dev diaries and ads, plus you play what feels like 20 weeks during the whole decade thing, not to mention varric hasn't heard of hawke in the last three years, so the "game" ends during the seventh year.

[Conduit0]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Again, I'm not mad because of the whole mage war being a possible backdrop for future DA titles, It was how bioware lied throught their teeth in dev diaries and ads, plus you play what feels like 20 weeks during the whole decade thing, not to mention varric hasn't heard of hawke in the last three years, so the "game" ends during the seventh year.

Than thats not really an issue with the ending, its an issue with the advertising and games pacing. Which I can totally understand, I really think the game needed 1 to 2 more acts to make the events in the game feel more like it spans a large amount of time.

[KLUME777]

silentassassin264 wrote...

It is the middle story of a trilogy. Origins was a clifthanger and naturally DA2 was going to leave things open at the end as well. You can't complain about not getting the entire story from one installment of a series. That is just simple.

Origins was not a cliffhanger. It finished and closed its story. The only thing that was left open was Morrigan, so it acheived a nice balance, and i really felt satisfied at the end. DA2 has far too many loose ends and doesnt finish any story, **SPOILERS** it just cut short Merideth and Orsino's story by killing them, especially Orsino which was really, really random how he just turned into a Harvestor **End Spoilers**. In short, i thought the ending was unsatisfying.

[Mad-Max90]

Conduit0 wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Again, I'm not mad because of the whole mage war being a possible backdrop for future DA titles, It was how bioware lied throught their teeth in dev diaries and ads, plus you play what feels like 20 weeks during the whole decade thing, not to mention varric hasn't heard of hawke in the last three years, so the "game" ends during the seventh year.

Than thats not really an issue with the ending, its an issue with the advertising and games pacing. Which I can totally understand, I really think the game needed 1 to 2 more acts to make the events in the game feel more like it spans a large amount of time.

then it seems that the game bothers me even more now, I am still upset with the ending because it was done that way on purpose with the intent to sell more dlc, when they know the missing content should be in game because as of now the only "antagonist" you play against is the Arishok, and that is in act 2. Let's just agree to disagree, I do enjoy our friendly debate though, but we could go back and forth untill the sun comes up.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Conduit0 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Really you could say if Hawke didn't fork up the gold someone would have and the artifact would have still been found.

Eh, you could make a similar argument about many fictional heros really, theres nothing that limits the potential for success to only them, other than they just happen to be the ones badass enough to get the job done.

There's a big difference between a hero and some guy with 50 gold weighing his pocket down.

[Conduit0]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Really you could say if Hawke didn't fork up the gold someone would have and the artifact would have still been found.

Eh, you could make a similar argument about many fictional heros really, theres nothing that limits the potential for success to only them, other than they just happen to be the ones badass enough to get the job done.

There's a big difference between a hero and some guy with 50 gold weighing his pocket down.

Ah but could just any bloke with 50 gold in his pocket have sucessfully braved the darkspawn infested side tunnels or have gotten Anders to cough up the maps? The answer is likely no on both counts. Even if the expedition did happen, it would never have found that specific thaig. Hence why Hawke like many other heros are important, he was a bad enough dude to make things happen.

[DungeonLord]

It was a full story, just a really really short one.

[Talogrungi]

Conduit0 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Really you could say if Hawke didn't fork up the gold someone would have and the artifact would have still been found.

Eh, you could make a similar argument about many fictional heros really, theres nothing that limits the potential for success to only them, other than they just happen to be the ones badass enough to get the job done.

There's a big difference between a hero and some guy with 50 gold weighing his pocket down.

Ah but could just any bloke with 50 gold in his pocket have sucessfully braved the darkspawn infested side tunnels or have gotten Anders to cough up the maps? The answer is likely no on both counts. Even if the expedition did happen, it would never have found that specific thaig. Hence why Hawke like many other heros are important, he was a bad enough dude to make things happen.

Conduit0 has a very valid point here, imo.

Hawke is something of an accidental, everyman hero; he's not "special" ,, but he does become the pivotal figure in the events surrounding Kirkwall, even if he doesn't really have any -control- over how these events turn out. He still makes them happen.

[scpulley]

Conduit0 wrote...

scpulley wrote...

That's cute, except....who cares who people said he was? The never tied him to anything, like I said he could have been a pigfarmer for how much effect it had on the game. Regardless the world went to hell and lots of people died. I get that the story was about the title, not the man/woman, but if there isn't a primary character to the story, no one has anyone to attach to as the person they are seeing the world through. It's storytelling 101 that Bioware knows better than to skip out on or should.

Oh hey look, an actual intelligent responce! *SQUEEE*

Ahem, anyways I disagree with that sentiment, I felt Hawke's actions influenced the events whether directly or indirectly. For example, without Hawke the Deeproads expedition would never have gotten off the ground, which means the plot device would never have fallen into a certain act 3 antagonists hands resulting in her turning into a paranoid looney that cracks down on a particular group of people harder than ever before. Without Hawke's influence I believe Anders would have stayed in the undercity running his clinics and never got up the nerve nor even had the help to do what he did. Lastly and the most obvious, without Hawke there would have been no one to stop the act 2 antagonist after he finally gets fed up and goes on a rampage.

But....that still doesn't address that in Act 3, they leaped back to the big decision, and while a few little things came and bit you in the ass or didn't, ultimately, that didn't give Hawke any reason to care who was right and who wasn't. I get the whole grey moral choice, but the problem with that you don't have any emotional attachment one way or another. What's worse, you went through the same ending fights regardless and got the same ending. So what was the point? If you can't see any weight to you choice at the end the writers failed to tell a compelling story they should not be congradulated on. Everything in Ace 1 and Act 2 in terms of those major plots work. but the climax of the game was missed horribly which is why I've said, I wish they would have made it all about the Qunari because at least they tied Hawke to that.

[ostemanden]

Ever heard of an open-ENDING?

[Mad-Max90]

Yes I have heard off open endings, and the vast majority of "open endings" are more tastefully done

[Pyrate_d]

I can't understand for the life me why it took them two acts to introduce Orsino and Meredith. If this is the climactic center of the game, shouldn't we meet these people earlier? And it would make sense too, there's no reason for Hawke not to meet/hear about these important people until relatively late in the game.

Then there's the COMPLETE lack of exposition concerning Lothering. We don't get any direct information about the Hawke family and how they lived, just a handful of offhand remarks. It's sad that Bioware is catering to people who demand action as soon as they hit "play." It leads to an extremely bad story.

And please don't go talking about how wonderful "in media res" is. In that style of storytelling, you go generally go back before the event. If Bioware wanted to show action right away, they could have had a sequence at some point where you recount your life in Lothering.

Disappointing game with garbage storytelling.

[kkronik]

Yeah it was a okay game but not worth 60 bucks though.

[neppakyo]

ostemanden wrote...

Ever heard of an open-ENDING?

Yes. ME2, which was done correctly. 

DA2 wasn't done properly. Its more of a kick in the nuts.. or shareware.. "To continue please pay $$"

[Mad-Max90]

Please bioware, learn from your mistakes or at the very least own up to them, I do love you guys, I'm just concerned that in hindsight you still think what you guys did was the best decision making.
You guys never made a complete flop of a game, but Dragon Age 2 is on a very fine line of decent and bad. Think about it for a second, retailers are giving money back to customers with open games, because let's face it, you lied to us

[Lellandra]

Conduit0 wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Again, I'm not mad because of the whole mage war being a possible backdrop for future DA titles, It was how bioware lied throught their teeth in dev diaries and ads, plus you play what feels like 20 weeks during the whole decade thing, not to mention varric hasn't heard of hawke in the last three years, so the "game" ends during the seventh year.

Than thats not really an issue with the ending, its an issue with the advertising and games pacing. Which I can totally understand, I really think the game needed 1 to 2 more acts to make the events in the game feel more like it spans a large amount of time.

This is what pissed me off the most!

The years between Varric telling the story and the last fight counts??   I feel like returning the game just because I was duped into believing I was going to play 10 years of his life, not 7 played and 3 "Varric doesn't know what happened".  

Hopefully EA will back off and let them finish DA3 in more than 2 years.

[Mad-Max90]

Actually it was "three" years of the decade being playable don't give them more than they actually gave us

[NytRydr]

Yes finaly someone has the stones to say it. I'm so sick of paying full price for a game just to get screwed in the end. It seems like all they want to do is make money (not make a quality game) I love the Dragon Age saga so much I bought the Signature Edition DA2 WHAT A MONUMENTAL DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!!!!! The only thing that was epic about this game was it's failiar to compare the to it's original. I will most likley NEVER BUY ANOTHER BIOWARE GAME AGAIN.

[Mad-Max90]

Trust me I bought months in advance, waited in line for an hour in the rain and bought the collector guide as well, by no means am I "just another hater" I'm just a pissed off customer.

[Deylar]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Trust me I bought months in advance, waited in line for an hour in the rain and bought the collector guide as well, by no means am I "just another hater" I'm just a pissed off customer.

Same, well except for the rain.

But you get what I am saying.