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[PlumPaul93]

Zandilar wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

I'd assume he means, he liked how in ME he could have a conversation with a male companion and have them not be a romance option as do I.

That isn't an answer. There was no M/M romance in ME, so none of them were potential LIs, so therefore...

So what? Just because there were no M/M romances doesn't make the point less valid, in ME companions and male companions are done very well, in DA2 romances are shoved in your face male or female and there is not a lot of companion interaction. I can't speak for the OP but my view is I like how in ME you can have a bromance in DA2 it goes to a real romance.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Zandilar wrote...

That isn't an answer. There was no M/M romance in ME, so none of them were potential LIs, so therefore...

I think they mean they want a character who is a friend but will never have even the option to romance them because for some reason that makes them uncomfortable even though they don't intend to pursue a relationship.

Which you guys have. He's called Varric.

Saying you want more 'bros' at the expense of other people's LI options is kind of entitled. Which I believe is what Gaider was getting at.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 26 mars 2011 - 11:46 .

[PlumPaul93]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Zandilar wrote...

That isn't an answer. There was no M/M romance in ME, so none of them were potential LIs, so therefore...

I think they mean they want a character who is a friend but will never have even the option to romance them because for some reason that makes them uncomfortable even though they don't intend to pursue a relationship.

Which you guys have. He's called Varric.

Saying you want more 'bros' at the expense of other people's LI options is kind of entitled. Which I believe is what Gaider was getting at.

He's not bad but he's a dwarf not a real human

[ThatDancingTurian]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

He's not bad but he's a dwarf not a real human

So you can only have completely platonic relationships with humans, as opposed to someone who looks completely human but is... short? I don't get it.

[PlumPaul93]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

He's not bad but he's a dwarf not a real human

So you can only have completely platonic relationships with humans, as opposed to someone who looks completely human but is... short? I don't get it.

do you know what humor is

[Heidenreich]

Get the DLC and Bromance Sebastian. There, now you have a human, too. Hell, you can Bromance Fenris with out ever getting the vibe that he has the ability to be "Hawk-sexual". The only one who's openly "Hawk-sexual" is Anders, and that's because he's just witnessed his first guy love be destroyed. Anders was always ambiguous. He's just lonely, desperate, and obsessive now as well ;p

[Zandilar]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

So what? Just because there were no M/M romances doesn't make the point less valid, in ME companions and male companions are done very well, in DA2 romances are shoved in your face male or female and there is not a lot of companion interaction. I can't speak for the OP but my view is I like how in ME you can have a bromance in DA2 it goes to a real romance.

ME and ME2 had no M/M romances period. So of course they weren't "shoved in your face"!

The other side of the coin is that the heterosexual romances in ME2 were "shoved in your face". I was made VERY uncomfortable by Jacob's advances to my Fem!Sheperd (who in my mind is lesbian, and who had romanced Liara in ME. She had no options at all in ME2 except Kelly's fling until LotSB), when all she was doing was trying to be friendly.

Also, it is possible to befriend each and every one of your companions in DA2 without being romantically involved with them.

[PlumPaul93]

Zandilar wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

So what? Just because there were no M/M romances doesn't make the point less valid, in ME companions and male companions are done very well, in DA2 romances are shoved in your face male or female and there is not a lot of companion interaction. I can't speak for the OP but my view is I like how in ME you can have a bromance in DA2 it goes to a real romance.

ME and ME2 had no M/M romances period. So of course they weren't "shoved in your face"!

The other side of the coin is that the heterosexual romances in ME2 were "shoved in your face". I was made VERY uncomfortable by Jacob's advances to my Fem!Sheperd (who in my mind is lesbian, and who had romanced Liara in ME. She had no options at all in ME2 except Kelly's fling until LotSB), when all she was doing was trying to be friendly.

Also, it is possible to befriend each and every one of your companions in DA2 without being romantically involved with them.

Yeah I did and I'm in the middle of act 2 pretty easy picked the middle gay option for anders but whatever

[Matterialize]

Trophonius wrote...

Sometimes, I can't help but wonder if these experiences are just overstating the truth because you always have free will to turn romantic interests down as you please.

I haven't even read OP's post but this is quite true. I keep hearing horror stories about 'forced gay' and other such nonsense, yet I didn't have Anders flirt with me once despite doing all of his quests save the last one. I also maxed friendship with Fenris without seeing a hint of romantic interest. When the odd flirt choice popped up, I just... didn't choose it.

Sounds difficult, I know, but I managed to overcome such a large hurdle.

[Zandilar]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Yeah I did and I'm in the middle of act 2 pretty easy picked the middle gay option for anders but whatever

Flirtation options are marked by a golden heart in DA2. If you can't stay away from clicking on them, then I can't really help ya.

Modifié par Zandilar, 26 mars 2011 - 11:59 .

[PlumPaul93]

Matterialize wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

Sometimes, I can't help but wonder if these experiences are just overstating the truth because you always have free will to turn romantic interests down as you please.

I haven't even read OP's post but this is quite true. I keep hearing horror stories about 'forced gay' and other such nonsense, yet I didn't have Anders flirt with me once despite doing all of his quests save the last one. I also maxed friendship with Fenris without seeing a hint of romantic interest. When the odd flirt choice popped up, I just... didn't choose it.

Sounds difficult, I know, but I managed to overcome such a large hurdle.

well I've heard that anders forces a kiss on the hawke even if you flirted with him that one time, to me that would be my nightmare

[ThatDancingTurian]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

do you know what humor is

Sorry, I've seen even less convincing arguments for why people don't like characters on this forum before ("I don't like his hair!" "She has a man-face!"), I had no reason to think you weren't being honest.

[PlumPaul93]

Zandilar wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Yeah I did and I'm in the middle of act 2 pretty easy picked the middle gay option for anders but whatever

Flirtation options are marked by a golden heart in DA2. If you can't stay away from clicking on them, then I can't really help ya.

well it would also help if ya know they gave the diplomatic response option for this ya know like they do whenever every other heart icon pops up

[Zandilar]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

well it would also help if ya know they gave the diplomatic response option for this ya know like they do whenever every other heart icon pops up

Going by what I remember of Anders, I am not sure he's mentally in a position to react well to someone turning him down. Besides which, all you have to do is take a once time hit of rivalry (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), and you never have to deal with it again (I think).

[PlumPaul93]

Zandilar wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

well it would also help if ya know they gave the diplomatic response option for this ya know like they do whenever every other heart icon pops up

Going by what I remember of Anders, I am not sure he's mentally in a position to react well to someone turning him down. Besides which, all you have to do is take a once time hit of rivalry (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), and you never have to deal with it again (I think).

But the fact that this is an RPG means that hawke should be given the option to say whatever he wants, if that was possible I'd be willing to accept the rivalry hit, so in that since it's definitely forced.

[Zandilar]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
But the fact that this is an RPG means that hawke should be given the option to say whatever he wants, if that was possible I'd be willing to accept the rivalry hit, so in that since it's definitely forced.

That's not what my understanding of the situation was. I guess I'm going to have to play a male Hawke. *sigh*

Oh, and computer RPG and a RPG are two different things. Sadly, you don't have the interaction of a true RPG in a computer RPG.

Modifié par Zandilar, 26 mars 2011 - 12:17 .

[Vhalkyrie]

During my second playthrough, I played with the intent of executing Anders at the end. The first time he flirted with me, I used the hammer option. The flirt option never came up again. He only referred to me as a good friend from that point on. When I killed him, we had 100% friendship.

So I really don't understand the controversy about omg, Anders hit on me.  Shoot him down.  It's easier and less awkward to do in the game than in real life.

I'm a straight female who plays RPGs and shooters, so I'm pretty glad Bioware is taking the time to include me.  My demographic in these markets is tiny.  Bioware gave me female Shephard and female Hawke. In the old days of computer RPGs, I didn't have the option to play a female protagonist at all.

I don't think Gaiders response was unprofessional at all.  I thought he was spot on.  I especially agree with his comment that privilege belongs to the majority, and the minute they feel they aren't catered to, they think they are being oppressed.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 26 mars 2011 - 12:45 .

[Kilshrek]

Nice to see a crapstorm in a teacup every other day. The rest of the sensible internet is laughing at BioBoards, because in a whole game full of talking, killing, looting, rising to power, romancing, story progression, intriguing companions, magic, speed griffons, some small minded people choose to focus on romances. Which is not even a tenth of the game, of which a portion has more pressing need to be looked at rather than "OMG Anders hit on me, so not cool Bioware". Perhaps some things like "Hey Bioware, the new combat thing doesn't really fly", or "Hey Bioware, how come there's still so much loot what cannot be used by anyone", or "Hey Bioware, x plot hook isn't working".

/2cents

[_Aine_]

brianpk80 wrote...

As for looking for a normal girl to bring home to mom, hmm... I'm not sure whether Dragon Age is the right venue for that or how such a character would have fit into the plot, but if she did, I'd have no objection to a romance option with her.

How to fit the plot:  We are talking Bioware here. Answer is easy.  She'd die. =D  Unless her living would make you cry more. lol 

As a female, I am rarely the main demographic of any of the games I like, I don't need special buttons done in pink for me though so I know to choose the female friendly options.      

I actually think that the dialogue wheel with the heart and hammer-of-rejection icons made people *more* sensitive instead of helping.  Instead of just saying a flirty line, it is alike a 1-800 number straight to sex in peoples heads where with JUST dialogue it was perceived as more subtle.  And people see the rejection option as too cruel because it is the ultimate rejection button.   I guess maybe it just seems too cut and dry this way for people to roleplay it more subtlely.  It wasn't a problem for me personally, because my character is just SO fabulous that it only makes sense everyone wants them LOL  KIDDING! But I do see why people are getting touchy about it, i just don't think they should take the options, or the flirting that seriously really.  =)  

Modifié par shantisands, 26 mars 2011 - 01:56 .

[Asdara]

hsujoe wrote...

This is in response to post
http://social.biowar...ex/6661775&lf=8
 
 
There was never an uncomfortable moment with Jacob or Garrus. 
 

Try playing a female Shepard, you can't talk to Jacob at all without trying to hump his leg in the process.  Casually asking about him is just not an option without taking a "I'm flirting with you now" pose.  I found that uncomfortable, especially when I played an "all about the job" no romance character.

I think it is a little 'convenient' that all but one of the possible LI swing both ways, because that might not make sense that everyone is so very open minded - to go either way, not to be heterosexual or homosexual but everyone being bisexual.  Then again, you can't always make story mesh with a wide audience and it is unfair to remove options from people who want them - much more so than it is to offer them and let people refuse if they care to.  So I think Bioware went the right way on this call, even it if does somewhat disturb the suspension of disbelief to consider everyone in Thedas seems pretty "standard form" except those adventuring types, they are all about options.  Meh, it's a small price for me to pay for someone else to feel included and not stigmatized and that's ok with me.

[lizzbee]

Matterialize wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

Sometimes, I can't help but wonder if these experiences are just overstating the truth because you always have free will to turn romantic interests down as you please.

I haven't even read OP's post but this is quite true. I keep hearing horror stories about 'forced gay' and other such nonsense, yet I didn't have Anders flirt with me once despite doing all of his quests save the last one. I also maxed friendship with Fenris without seeing a hint of romantic interest. When the odd flirt choice popped up, I just... didn't choose it.

Sounds difficult, I know, but I managed to overcome such a large hurdle.

For what it's worth, that first conversation after you've helped Anders, if you keep picking the "nice" options, you'll blunder into Anders' come-on, and the only way out is written pretty nastily-- two flirt options, and then the cruel let-down.  It  happened to me this playthrough with my FemHawke.

[ejoslin]

lizzbee wrote...

Matterialize wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

Sometimes, I can't help but wonder if these experiences are just overstating the truth because you always have free will to turn romantic interests down as you please.

I haven't even read OP's post but this is quite true. I keep hearing horror stories about 'forced gay' and other such nonsense, yet I didn't have Anders flirt with me once despite doing all of his quests save the last one. I also maxed friendship with Fenris without seeing a hint of romantic interest. When the odd flirt choice popped up, I just... didn't choose it.

Sounds difficult, I know, but I managed to overcome such a large hurdle.

For what it's worth, that first conversation after you've helped Anders, if you keep picking the "nice" options, you'll blunder into Anders' come-on, and the only way out is written pretty nastily-- two flirt options, and then the cruel let-down.  It  happened to me this playthrough with my FemHawke.

Interestingly, in my second conversation with Anders, I picked the heartbreak option  I didn't get an approval change at all.  Granted, I didn't gain approval which I would have had I flirted, but you know, I know he and Hawke aren't going to be in a relationship.

It really was that easy.

[Ambeth]

Mr. Gaider uses a well known (and apt, in my opinion) aphorism about insanity and you (the OP) feel he's calling someone insane.  Do you happen to know the Bill Cosby skit about the Bullet in the Furnace?  Rather the same concept.


As for having the romances shoved in our faces.  Honestly, I think some people see that shiny heart and get all squicked out, even though if you don't pick it it never happened.  Just like most of the 'red' option never happen in any of my playthroughs.  (or some of the 'purple' ones.  "OMG, I did NOT just say that. RELOAD RELOAD RELOAD")


Trufax, when you get to Anders 'hitting' on you, you can safely use the middle option and NOT start a romance with him (actually, I think the top option has the same effect - you CAN'T start a romance in Act 1).  It really just leaves the option open for later.  If you don't take any flirt options in Act 2, you will not be in a romance with him.  It might also mean he snipes at Fenris later, but I think that happens no matter what, if you romance Fenris.  Could be wrong.

And I know he doesn't kiss you without you actively picking the flirt options in Act 2.  You practically have to dare him.

[lizzbee]

ejoslin wrote...

Interestingly, in my second conversation with Anders, I picked the heartbreak option  I didn't get an approval change at all.  Granted, I didn't gain approval which I would have had I flirted, but you know, I know he and Hawke aren't going to be in a relationship.

It really was that easy.

I got nailed pretty hard with rivalry.  I just reloaded and picked all the snark options   Rivalry +5 vs. 15.

[ejoslin]

lizzbee wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Interestingly, in my second conversation with Anders, I picked the heartbreak option  I didn't get an approval change at all.  Granted, I didn't gain approval which I would have had I flirted, but you know, I know he and Hawke aren't going to be in a relationship.

It really was that easy.

I got nailed pretty hard with rivalry.  I just reloaded and picked all the snark options   Rivalry +5 vs. 15.

It could be that my Hawke is female, but she picked the aggressive options the first conversation.  Just after Karl, though, there were the diplomatic, snarky, and heartbreak options (I didn't make it to the two flirts and heartbreak -- you can break it off before then).