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[Talladarr]

I just started a new mage on normal(laugh it up, go ahead) but I've noticed something. Everyone keeps saying lightning damage does about 200% while fire does about 125%, but I'm noticing that Spirit Bolt is doing somewhere around 180-190% Can anyone conferm this? o.o
[[EDIT]]
I'm noticing this mostly on skeletons, Corpses and Revanents, Arcane Horrors seem t ojust take normal dammage. And I made sure, this is NOT due to criticles

Modifié par Talladarr, 26 mars 2011 - 09:02 .

[SuicidalBaby]

Its because of the way spirit works.

[Talladarr]

Can you specify this? It's a fairly poor explination, no offense

[toxicsoldier038]

Spirits tricky, i think its mostly cause undead dont really have any resiliance. Spirit has a high damage to a lot of things.. in the earlier acts at least.

[kotli]

Most mobs have low spirit resistance and high fire resistance.

[SuicidalBaby]

More accurately, spirit damage will ignore 50% of damage resistance vs non-immunes. Basicly applies that toward more damage. I could be wrong, but thats what I remember from the last time I saw it explained.

found it:

Peter Thomas wrote...
Spirit damage going through Barrier is because Barrier adds damage resistance, not Spirit resistance.  Spirit damage (by its nature) halves generic damage and magic resistance (not Spirit resistance).

Also you should be aware of how Spirit Bolt works.

Spirit damage: 2.68x
upgraded
Spirit damage: +1.34x
so its going to scale with general magic damage improvements very well on top of ignoring 50% of physical and magical resistance.  (not spirit resistance)

is that better Talla? 

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 26 mars 2011 - 11:47 .

[Talladarr]

That confused me a litt,e bu I think I get it. So, if I understand this correctly.... Spirit damage isn't effected by Damage resistance OR Magic Resistance, only by Spirit resistance? Or am Imissing the point entirely ^ ^"

[FedericoV]

Talladarr wrote...

I just started a new mage on normal(laugh it up, go ahead) but I've noticed something. Everyone keeps saying lightning damage does about 200% while fire does about 125%, but I'm noticing that Spirit Bolt is doing somewhere around 180-190% Can anyone conferm this? o.o
[[EDIT]]
I'm noticing this mostly on skeletons, Corpses and Revanents, Arcane Horrors seem t ojust take normal dammage. And I made sure, this is NOT due to criticles

Yes, undead have very low resistances to spirit damage, while they're very resistent against cold.

[Talladarr]

So you're sayign that undead now have not one, but THREE weaknesses(Lightning, Spirit and Fire in that order)?????

[SuicidalBaby]

no, not exactly.

spirit damage ignore 50% of the targets damage reduction as well as its base magic resistance LESS its spirit resistance.
you hit an enchanter mage with 100% barrier up with a 100 damage spirit bolt.
the enchanter has 10% spirit resist, 20% magic resist, and the barrier.
The spirit resist knock damage down first, so you hit for 90 now.
Spirit cuts magic resistance down to 10%, so you hit for 81 now.
leaving only the barrier which has its 100% damage reduction halved, leaving 40.5 damage to hit the mage.

its just spirit damage doing what it does, undead or not.

undead take 100% Cold damage btw.

here, Enemy elemental resistance reference sheet (Nightmare) by IN1

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 26 mars 2011 - 02:09 .

[Talladarr]

FINALLY! Math! Something I can understand =D
And that makes perfect sense. So, jsut a quick recap.
Spirit damage ignors a total of 50% of damage resistance, meaning that all magic resistance is halved. however, before that can be factored you must also factor any spirit resist first. Ergo, wit ha 20% Spirit resist a 100 damage spirit bolt is reduces to 80 damage. Now, let's pretend that resistance came from special armor and I'm fighting a warrior, and assume the warriro has 0% magic resistance, but has a Barrier cast fro ma fellow party member. Due to the 50% ignor from Spirit damage it will do 40 damage rather than the 80 it would have done previously.

Am I on the money as far as the calculations are concerned or did I mess up somewhere in the math?

[SuicidalBaby]

you got it.

[Talladarr]

Finally, someone puts this thing in a mathmatical formula I can understand. *Signs contently* Math is a good thing =3

[SuicidalBaby]

i got a D in geomitry

[Talladarr]

Geometry is NOT math, it's pictures with numbers, just like Trig. Math is Algebra, Calculus, and the other higher maths
This is merely algebra

Modifié par Talladarr, 26 mars 2011 - 03:01 .

[toxicsoldier038]

Hey did better than me i got an F my first go through