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It's official dragon age 2 is a commercial fail


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Otterwarden

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imported_beer wrote...

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Why would where your copies sold determine whether or not you customer felt ripped off?  My point was you either do some market research (added costs) to judge product reception/satisfaction, or you simply guess.  And, any time you piggy back on your customer base to grab at a new market and they feel used, it is not a marketing success in my book.  If you feel differently that is fine.


But that is not the point I am making. 

 I am stating that your assertion that the existing consumer base as a majority feels ripped off is a qualitative take on the situation. If their marketing department calculated a specific segment as the segment they were expanding into (and this is a segment you would measure in part by checking where your copies sold), that is the specific segment you would be measuring in any market research you conduct regarding their satisfaction with the product. Post purchase satisfaction would be part of any modern marketing budget and would not be an additional cost.

You would not guess it on the basis of the reactions of a forum alone because a forum often contains a microcosm of your entire consumer base and even the reaction here is not consistently "I feel ripped off". It might even be evenly split.

I do not know how Bioware does it. I am merely pointing out that there are many information gaps in everyone's assertions, including mine. If this new direction is flawed and led to losses, then Bioware has the most to lose from it.  We can buy another game, but it will take a lot of investment for them to create a new franchise. If this is a bad direction and they can prove quantitatively consumer disillusionment, they will either have to change direction or they will end the franchise. Either way it will certainly not be because people protested here, because  though people may feel very strongly about their own personal experiences of the game there are many data sources people do not have access to.


When you use terms like "majority", that I did not bring up, and suggestions that we are projecting our own experiences onto the situation you force me into a discourse that becomes polemic.  Many of us are simply interested to see how this will play out.  The only skin we probably have in the game is the loss of a potential RPG developer.  This same company can go on to make great games that we will enjoy, so it is not a doom scenario even if they evolve away from what we enjoy playing. 

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Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

I want  Peace in this thread. who's with me?


Me :happy:

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Otterwarden wrote...
When you use terms like "majority", that I did not bring up, and suggestions that we are projecting our own experiences onto the situation you force me into a discourse that becomes polemic.  Many of us are simply interested to see how this will play out.  The only skin we probably have in the game is the loss of a potential RPG developer.  This same company can go on to make great games that we will enjoy, so it is not a doom scenario even if they evolve away from what we enjoy playing. 


But Otter, you said in the post I responded to first, that it is not sound business to build off a pissed off consumer base. I was arguing the basis of that assertion. There is no evidence to state the base is pissed off. Only that there are pissed off consumers in the forum, which is a microcosm.

I am not disagreeing with your overall point that a successful franchise is based on having a happy consumer base. I just was stating that I don't see why people believe the franchise has failed at this point on the basis of qualitative data-posts on the forum alone. Maybe these posts are indicative of a larger trend that can be proven quantitatively. Maybe it is not.

All the while I have said with lack of data, either case can be argued. Only Bioware has the data to know this for sure.

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imported_beer wrote...

Only that there are pissed off consumers in the forum, which is a microcosm.


Go forth and venture out...come back and tell me what you find...  :)

Wandered far and wide, even crossed oceans... many, many, many unhappy, very vocal, campers.  Have no idea if they are "minority" or "majority" at this point, and really don't think that it matters, since even a vocal minority can do severe damage to a product's acceptance.  This is especially true if the product is considered made for that segment.  They become the opinion leaders that everyone looks to, so their reaction carries weight.

Anyway, I extend the olive branch.  I'm sure that there are many things we would agree upon if we were discussing things face to face.

Edit:  that would be cyberspace wanderings, so it does remain anecdotal, and your point is valid that they are in a better position to see a wider picture.  Also, we don't know what their goals ultimately are, nor if they have met them.

Modifié par Otterwarden, 29 mars 2011 - 04:52 .


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I've still been holding out for a Jade Empire sequel too. fun game with a good story and I really liked some of the characters. not as RPG'ish but whatever. NWN I'd say was the weaker game even though I liked it all right. it wasn't as immersive, though the expansions were better.

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Mystik wrote...

I've still been holding out for a Jade Empire sequel too. fun game with a good story and I really liked some of the characters. not as RPG'ish but whatever. NWN I'd say was the weaker game even though I liked it all right. it wasn't as immersive, though the expansions were better.


I read somewhere that Mike Laidlaw was the lead designer on JE2 before Bioware shelved it.

Hmm, if that is true, maybe he will want to resurrect it rather than do DA3... might be less controversial.

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GrandiaRapp wrote...

But regardless we will all still buy Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 3 so they won't really care.
Even if Mass Effect 3 is so incredibly bad people will buy it.

yes they will buy t there either smash the game or sell cuz a game like DA2 is not worth play

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Gavinthelocust wrote...

Not it's first, we had Jade Empire and Sonic Dark Brotherhood.


HEY! I LOVED JADE EMPIRE, there was never any game or story like it ever made, i enjoyed the story and the world of that  game, how can it be a bad game ??? 

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GrandiaRapp wrote...

But regardless we will all still buy Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 3 so they won't really care.
Even if Mass Effect 3 is so incredibly bad people will buy it.


I wont buy DA:3 until I seen and played a demo, if its like DA:2 then there is no way I am going to buy it.

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Otterwarden wrote...

I read somewhere that Mike Laidlaw was the lead designer on JE2 before Bioware shelved it.

Hmm, if that is true, maybe he will want to resurrect it rather than do DA3... might be less controversial.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dragon Age as dead already, do you want to destroy another promising title?!

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kertitorpe wrote...

Otterwarden wrote...

I read somewhere that Mike Laidlaw was the lead designer on JE2 before Bioware shelved it.

Hmm, if that is true, maybe he will want to resurrect it rather than do DA3... might be less controversial.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dragon Age as dead already, do you want to destroy another promising title?!


Jade Empire is much more suited to that kind of design. Jade Empire was already streamlined.

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I'm a regular on a metric s***load of gaming and modding forums. The general impressions on DA2 is dissapointing.

Seems to be a trend.

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well i know im pissed,i can,t play the game for more than a half hour without going into space cadet territory because it,s so boring.Staring at the screen wondering why i bought it,trying to play it to get my 60 bucks back,so far not working.the same dungeons over and over,dialog that makes no difference,play for more than 3 hours and most likely your going to shut shut your system off by hand to do restart (360) graphics going solid grey,saves not saving,spells not working(go back to tactics screen click on and off till it kicks in)elfroot not working(have to keep re anstalling) sigh

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jade empire was a bust? ididin,t realize that,i thought the game exellent.