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[DirtyFinger]

PC sales in europe are at #35

console at #8 and #11.

yep, they successfully sucked up to the console crowd by discouraging pc games WAY more than console gamers.
Well done.

[Crash_7]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Crash_7 wrote...
My advice to EA would be to have a second phase of marketing to overcome the negative (and often unwarranted) public reception. 

Sadly, EA don't do marketing very well.

Never reinforce failure.

DA2 got super lucky with Homefront slipping a week.

DA2 has been a fail on a numbe of levels. Not only was it not mass market, it damaged Biowares reputation and alienated a lot of the the RPG customer base.

Try again with the Ultimate Edtion maybe. But looking at what is coming in the next few months DA2 looks done.

Unless you wish to accelerate a decline.  But as I have stated, whether it is a failure or not is yet to be seen.  In addition; who defines failure and what is its definition? 

*edit clarity

Modifié par Crash_7, 26 mars 2011 - 03:40 .

[Amyntas]

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's pretty clear DA2 failed in it's objective of being "mass market".

End of.

True. That's because many developers are better at developing action RPGs. Bioware should focus on their strengths, not try to emulate others.

[Shadow Raziel]

You know I went on meticritic to see what all the stink was about, and I seen where people had given it a 0. quite a few people had done this. That's just asinine. C'MON man... a 0? I suppose the pc gamers are pissed off because they cannot micro manage every detail. I am not sure what the overblown issue is with console gamers. I have 6 friends who play DAII.. non of them post on this forum. all of them like it just fine. with the exception of the Bioware fans, I think many people have joined recently to either troll, or because they have an axe to grind. I honestly do not get all the hate. It's a good game. maybe not a blockbuster or genre changing innovative game. But honestly it's a good game.. Man I remember going on Lionshead forums following the release of fable II, I needed to get some help with an achievement, and People were calling P.M a liar. wanting their money back. lol. It was just awful. and the game was pretty good IMHO. So this is nothing new. The people who like this game should write some positive reviews and blog about it.
Normally the people who scream the loudest get heard. Honestly DA II is a good game. Not as good as Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, Or Red Dead Redemption. But I would put it in my top 3 games this year. Really I see this game being transitional... They are most assuredly moving in a positive direction. I believe the developers are innovative and creative enough to make their vision work. I expect the next installment to knock it out of the park.

[Frybread76]

Shadow Raziel wrote...

You know I went on meticritic to see what all the stink was about, and I seen where people had given it a 0. quite a few people had done this. That's just asinine. C'MON man... a 0? I suppose the pc gamers are pissed off because they cannot micro manage every detail. I am not sure what the overblown issue is with console gamers. I have 6 friends who play DAII.. non of them post on this forum. all of them like it just fine. with the exception of the Bioware fans, I think many people have joined recently to either troll, or because they have an axe to grind. I honestly do not get all the hate. It's a good game. maybe not a blockbuster or genre changing innovative game. But honestly it's a good game.. Man I remember going on Lionshead forums following the release of fable II, I needed to get some help with an achievement, and People were calling P.M a liar. wanting their money back. lol. It was just awful. and the game was pretty good IMHO. So this is nothing new. The people who like this game should write some positive reviews and blog about it.
Normally the people who scream the loudest get heard. Honestly DA II is a good game. Not as good as Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, Or Red Dead Redemption. But I would put it in my top 3 games this year. Really I see this game being transitional... They are most assuredly moving in a positive direction. I believe the developers are innovative and creative enough to make their vision work. I expect the next installment to knock it out of the park.

You might enjoy DA2 and that's fine.  I also enjoyed it somewhat.  But it's not a "good game."  It has too many flaws.

[Jitter]

Crash_7 wrote...

Rheia1234 wrote...

Crash_7 wrote...

You cannot call it a fail so early in the cycle. Wait six months before you hand out sentences.

Exactly, with this source being called unreliable it's hard to tell. But even so, just using X360 as a marker (I'm a PC player, but 360 seems to be the more popular platform) DOA sold 509,171 in the first two weeks worldwide, DA2 sold 521,405 in the first 2 weeks worldwide.

Even with some of those based on pre-orders, it's still a pretty nice profit only on the X360. It's hard to compete with games for the Wii and DS because of sheer amount of young kids who want those. RPG is a smaller market.

I honestly loved the game and I wouldn't really call that a failure...

My advice to EA would be to have a second phase of marketing to overcome the negative (and often unwarranted) public reception. 

Sadly, EA don't do marketing very well.

What ya mean 
Button = Awesome is probably one of the most popular Marketing slogans in gaming history at this point. 
For all the wrong reasons but still

[Crash_7]

@Shadow Raziel

Forums are not the best source for an objective opinion -- I don't know where objectivity can be found. They do not reflect the consumer market and act only as a conduit for both fans and detractors alike.

I agree, it's a good game but nothing revolutionary.

Modifié par Crash_7, 26 mars 2011 - 04:03 .

[Crash_7]

Jitter wrote...

Crash_7 wrote...

Rheia1234 wrote...

Crash_7 wrote...

You cannot call it a fail so early in the cycle. Wait six months before you hand out sentences.

Exactly, with this source being called unreliable it's hard to tell. But even so, just using X360 as a marker (I'm a PC player, but 360 seems to be the more popular platform) DOA sold 509,171 in the first two weeks worldwide, DA2 sold 521,405 in the first 2 weeks worldwide.

Even with some of those based on pre-orders, it's still a pretty nice profit only on the X360. It's hard to compete with games for the Wii and DS because of sheer amount of young kids who want those. RPG is a smaller market.

I honestly loved the game and I wouldn't really call that a failure...

lol too true.  EA really need to up their game when it comes to marketing.  They violate so many of the basic tenets of good marketing that it has become somewhat of a global joke.

My advice to EA would be to have a second phase of marketing to overcome the negative (and often unwarranted) public reception. 

Sadly, EA don't do marketing very well.

What ya mean 
Button = Awesome is probably one of the most popular Marketing slogans in gaming history at this point. 
For all the wrong reasons but still

Lol, too true.  EA really need to up their game in the marketing department.  They violate so many of the basic tenets of good marketing that it has become a global joke.

Modifié par Crash_7, 26 mars 2011 - 03:57 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Insom wrote...

It ain't no AAA game. The original was.

[Shadow Raziel]

Frybread76 wrote...
You might enjoy DA2 and that's fine.  I also enjoyed it somewhat.  But it's not a "good game."  It has too many flaws.

Enjoying a game is the criteria I use when I decide whether or not a game is good. I am not a developer. so crticing a game from a technical perspective  is not my gig.

[DrGulag]

Gamestop gave me 40euros when I sold my copy of the game so atleast it wasnt a financial fail for this customer lol.

A pretty good deal since I was able to walk out with 2x20PSN cards.

They told me that quite a lot of people have returned their Signature Editions already. Time will tell though.

But still. Not quite going to reach that 10million mark guys. Maybe if you just remove the dialogue wheel completely, replace Darkspawn with religious fundament....Well you know the drill.

Modifié par DrGulag, 26 mars 2011 - 04:42 .

[Otterwarden]

Jitter wrote...

What ya mean 
Button = Awesome is probably one of the most popular Marketing slogans in gaming history at this point. 
For all the wrong reasons but still

It certainly evokes a very powerful and immediate response from the consumer...   RUN!!!!

[AkiKishi]

DrGulag wrote...

Gamestop gave me 40euros when I sold my copy of the game so atleast it wasnt a financial fail for this customer lol.

A pretty good deal since I was able to walk out with 2x20PSN cards.

They told me that quite a lot of people have returned their Signature Editions already. Time will tell though.

But still. Not quite going to reach that 10million mark guys. Maybe if you just remove the dialogue wheel completely, replace Darkspawn with religious fundament....Well you know the drill.

Does that dungeon hunter alliance coming to PSN next month remind you of DA2?

[DrGulag]

Does that dungeon hunter alliance coming to PSN next month remind you of DA2?

I don't know. Isn't it a Diablo clone or something? Might be worth checking out if it has decent multiplayer.

Will definitely going to buy Streets of Rage 2 though. I needs my nostalgiah!

Modifié par DrGulag, 26 mars 2011 - 04:47 .

[Hatchetman77]

It is WAY to early to call this game a commercial failure.  We need a few more months before we can decide that.  On the down side for BioWare though, it may not be the best strategy to enrage your PC fanbase months before you launch your new MMO that is only available on the PC and is pretty much the lynchpin for the future success of your company.

[Chuvvy]

GrandiaRapp wrote...

But regardless we will all still buy Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 3 so they won't really care.
Even if Mass Effect 3 is so incredibly bad people will buy it.

I'm not buying ME3 day one I'm waiting for reviews. I saw what short dev time did to DA2.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I don't understand how you guys are making the comparison between DA2 and Call of duty. Are seriously more than half of you brain dead or something?

Oh wait, this is BSN. Nevermind.

[Ixalmaris]

DrGulag wrote...

Gamestop gave me 40euros when I sold my copy of the game so atleast it wasnt a financial fail for this customer lol.

A pretty good deal since I was able to walk out with 2x20PSN cards.

They told me that quite a lot of people have returned their Signature Editions already. Time will tell though.

But still. Not quite going to reach that 10million mark guys. Maybe if you just remove the dialogue wheel completely, replace Darkspawn with religious fundament....Well you know the drill.

Now thats a statistic I would like to know. Sadly I couldn't return my copy.

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I don't understand how you guys
are making the comparison between DA2 and Call of duty. Are seriously
more than half of you brain dead or something?

Oh wait, this is BSN. Nevermind.

Oh wait. Bioware started it by saying they want to be as successful as CoD/want to attract the CoD players...

Modifié par Ixalmaris, 26 mars 2011 - 07:13 .

[the_one_54321]

GrandiaRapp wrote...
But regardless we will all still buy Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 3 so they won't really care.
Even if Mass Effect 3 is so incredibly bad people will buy it.

Speak for yourself. After everything that happened with DAII, I'm not touching either of those until I hear in great detail how everything works in them.

And yes, I said I would not buy DAII and have actually not bought it.

[Ixalmaris]

the_one_54321 wrote...

GrandiaRapp wrote...
But regardless we will all still buy Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 3 so they won't really care.
Even if Mass Effect 3 is so incredibly bad people will buy it.

Speak for yourself. After everything that happened with DAII, I'm not touching either of those until I hear in great detail how everything works in them.

And yes, I said I would not buy DAII and have actually not bought it.

Yep, not preordering either of those games, no matter how good the deal is.

[Persephone]

Spuudle wrote...

DirtyFinger wrote...

PC sales in europe are at #35

console at #8 and #11.

yep, they successfully sucked up to the console crowd by discouraging pc games WAY more than console gamers.
Well done.

Latest UK Software Charts
 
TOP 40 ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE (ALL PRICES), WEEK ENDING 19 March 2011
 
Title
Developer
Label
Publisher


1
 
HOMEFRONT
KAOS STUDIOS
THQ
THQ

1

2
 
DRAGON AGE II
BIOWARE
EA GAMES
ELECTRONIC ARTS

2

3
 
POKEMON WHITE VERSION
GAME FREAK
NINTENDO
NINTENDO


4
 
SHOGUN 2: TOTAL WAR
CREATIVE ASSEMBLY
SEGA
SEGA

4

5
 
POKEMON BLACK VERSION
GAME FREAK
NINTENDO
NINTENDO

Just to put it out there. PC version is at number 5 at the mo. Hardly a failure..........

Edit Copy n Paste failure lol

VERY nice and good to know. Still waiting for officials sales. :happy:

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Not it's first, we had Jade Empire and Sonic Dark Brotherhood.

Oh no, here's an idea. Maybe they can have Sonic team up with the monk from Jade Empire and Hawke in a cross-franchise debacle like Kingdom Hearts.

[WJC3688]

In terms of whether or not it made money, no, DA2 is not a fail, but in terms of whether or not it met EA's expectations of its sales, I think it's fair to say it is a fail.  Unreliable sources or not, 10 mil copies/CoD level sales are obviously not going to happen, not even halfway.  It was pretty dumb of EA to try this IMO.  The CoD crowd is just not going to freak out over a game called "Dragon Age" no matter how many exploding bodies there are, maybe single-player, story-driven fantasy RPGs will shift to become more mainstream at some point in the future, but in today's culture it's not going to work.

I also think we need to wait until DA3 to see the full extent of DA2's failure.  Sales are arguable, but I don't think there's any doubt that DA2 has underperformed critically (lol 79 metascore) and dealt a significant blow to consumer confidence, and the real impact of that will be felt down the road.

Modifié par WJC3688, 26 mars 2011 - 07:44 .

[Forsakerr]

To the person who said we'll be buying DA3 and ME3 well with what i got with buying DA2 on blind faith it wont happend anymore , for me when i was seing a Bioware tag on a box it was an automatic buy but from now i'll do oh yeah EA tag on it i ll wait and see just like i do with every other games of EA , to be honest when i see EA and it's been a long time now i often skip buying it and wait it's in the big time bargain bin i got burned way too many times by EA and EA burned me again