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[Volourn]

Irrelevant.

[Nightnight]

"It's due to piracy." -Mike

Modifié par Nightnight, 27 mars 2011 - 04:07 .

[infurious]

Eterna5 wrote...

Regardless of how well Dragon age 2 sells haters will continue to stick their fingers in their ears and scream very loudly about how terrible they think this game is.

It's not haters, its actually the "lovers" of rpg genre and BW games in general who want to see the RPG genre move (change) forward, not backwards. Of course the 16 year old COD demographic will find DA2 as a good game, it was made for them, they should just enjoy the game and stay out of critique posts. 

The noise is more than justified.

[Merced652]

Crash_7 wrote...

You cannot call it a fail so early in the cycle. Wait six months before you hand out sentences.

Reminds of when people said "don't judge the game on the demo, wait for release it'll be awesome." We see now how that went. 

[Galad22]

Volourn wrote...

Then explain why JE is relativelyn low end sales wise despite its rather impressive 89? Hmm..

It was made exlusively for xbox, in a time when almost all biowares fans were on pc.

And when it was ported for pc, it was 2 years old console port. Who would care?

I did in truth, and I think it was better game than DA2. Still what Bioware did with it was not very well thought out.

[Crash_7]

Merced652 wrote...

Crash_7 wrote...

You cannot call it a fail so early in the cycle. Wait six months before you hand out sentences.

Reminds of when people said "don't judge the game on the demo, wait for release it'll be awesome." We see now how that went. 

We?  Speak for yourself.  Plus your argument isn't applicable to game sales.  Plenty of awful games (imo) sell well.  Most of Treyarch's offerings for example.

[Galad22]

Crash_7 wrote...

We?  Speak for yourself.  Plus your argument isn't applicable to game sales.  Plenty of awful games (imo) sell well.  Most of Treyarch's offerings for example.

At least Treyarch knows who their customers are and makes games for them. Bioware seems to have missed that.

[randName]

It looks to be at best at par with DA:O, and that wasn't, as mentioned in the thread, probably the idea.

The comical part is that this happened with ME2 and ME1 (same sales figures, yet ME2 was this streamlined casual version that would appeal to many more, but didn't). I'm actually surprised, and thought that ME2 would sell more, but I'm also revealed that this market strategy is failing; maybe I'll get more games that I'll enjoy more post DA2 and ME2 if also ME3 fails to attract a wider audience.

& while I hope for the people at BW that they will succeed, I'm also rooting for an other ME1 game sales wise from ME3, and that DA2 won't supersede DA:O.

Modifié par randName, 28 mars 2011 - 03:08 .

[aftohsix]

He posted a link to a website.  It must be true.

Modifié par aftohsix, 28 mars 2011 - 03:10 .

[Finnigan McBonk]

Yrkoon wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php

So at the end of the second week of sales an AAA multiplatform game sold less than 1 million copies.

That chart does not include digital sales/download figures  (which have yet to be publically released)... and  which could amount to another half million or MORE in sales


So basically the only 'fail' here is this presumptious thread.

So funny, lol! To decry presumption one line after presuming digital sales could amount to more than a half million in sales. hehehehe.

[Tripedius]

Speculating on sales is pretty pointless unless you have all the figures. Besides even if it didn't sell as well as it was supposed to, they will make a nice profit. Just look at all the costs they saved by cutting every corner in this game.
However if we don't get a DA3 it won't be to blame on DA2. It will be because BW thought TOR would make a killing, but it won't. It won't attract a lot of people from WoW and the MMO gaming base is not big enough for 2 wows. It will see a nice start with some promising numbers, but after a couple of months people will realize it's a crappy EA product which will charge you for everything and that the star wars universe isn't good enough for a MMORPG. People will want to see Obiwan and such, but those won't be in there. Basically it will be a game for the star wars nerds as the general SW loving public won't be interested in a story they can't relate to (except that they can be a jedi). After TOR fails, EA will dismember BW, killing all rpg hopes of an entire generation (not serious, but it sounded so dramaticly).

[aftohsix]

Tripedius wrote...

Speculating on sales is pretty pointless unless you have all the figures. Besides even if it didn't sell as well as it was supposed to, they will make a nice profit. Just look at all the costs they saved by cutting every corner in this game.
However if we don't get a DA3 it won't be to blame on DA2. It will be because BW thought TOR would make a killing, but it won't. It won't attract a lot of people from WoW and the MMO gaming base is not big enough for 2 wows. It will see a nice start with some promising numbers, but after a couple of months people will realize it's a crappy EA product which will charge you for everything and that the star wars universe isn't good enough for a MMORPG. People will want to see Obiwan and such, but those won't be in there. Basically it will be a game for the star wars nerds as the general SW loving public won't be interested in a story they can't relate to (except that they can be a jedi). After TOR fails, EA will dismember BW, killing all rpg hopes of an entire generation (not serious, but it sounded so dramaticly).

I will save this post in a word document so when your predictions don't happen I can remind you of what you said and we'll have a jolly laugh together.

[randName]

aftohsix wrote...

Tripedius wrote...

Speculating on sales is pretty pointless unless you have all the figures. Besides even if it didn't sell as well as it was supposed to, they will make a nice profit. Just look at all the costs they saved by cutting every corner in this game.
However if we don't get a DA3 it won't be to blame on DA2. It will be because BW thought TOR would make a killing, but it won't. It won't attract a lot of people from WoW and the MMO gaming base is not big enough for 2 wows. It will see a nice start with some promising numbers, but after a couple of months people will realize it's a crappy EA product which will charge you for everything and that the star wars universe isn't good enough for a MMORPG. People will want to see Obiwan and such, but those won't be in there. Basically it will be a game for the star wars nerds as the general SW loving public won't be interested in a story they can't relate to (except that they can be a jedi). After TOR fails, EA will dismember BW, killing all rpg hopes of an entire generation (not serious, but it sounded so dramaticly).

I will save this post in a word document so when your predictions don't happen I can remind you of what you said and we'll have a jolly laugh together.

I'll be there ~

Even if BioWare have never held the torch when it comes to good RPGs ~ (adventure games and such yes)  

Modifié par randName, 28 mars 2011 - 03:20 .

[Tripedius]

aftohsix wrote...

Tripedius wrote...

Speculating on sales is pretty pointless unless you have all the figures. Besides even if it didn't sell as well as it was supposed to, they will make a nice profit. Just look at all the costs they saved by cutting every corner in this game.
However if we don't get a DA3 it won't be to blame on DA2. It will be because BW thought TOR would make a killing, but it won't. It won't attract a lot of people from WoW and the MMO gaming base is not big enough for 2 wows. It will see a nice start with some promising numbers, but after a couple of months people will realize it's a crappy EA product which will charge you for everything and that the star wars universe isn't good enough for a MMORPG. People will want to see Obiwan and such, but those won't be in there. Basically it will be a game for the star wars nerds as the general SW loving public won't be interested in a story they can't relate to (except that they can be a jedi). After TOR fails, EA will dismember BW, killing all rpg hopes of an entire generation (not serious, but it sounded so dramaticly).

I will save this post in a word document so when your predictions don't happen I can remind you of what you said and we'll have a jolly laugh together.

Which part? TOR failing? That's a given. Or EA shutting BW down?

[aftohsix]

Tripedius wrote...


Which part? TOR failing? That's a given. Or EA shutting BW down?

Hey you can see the future so can you tell me exactly when and where the next Mega-millions ticket will be sold?

[soulchild]

GrandiaRapp wrote...

But regardless we will all still buy Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 3 so they won't really care.
Even if Mass Effect 3 is so incredibly bad people will buy it.

INot true.  I'll buy ME3 based off of ME 1 & 2, but I am wait and see on DA3.  I brought DA2 based off of DAO, but DA2 was craptastic and I won't buy 3  unless some major stuff changes

[Volourn]

EA will not down BIO based on the MMO. They would close down the MMO division.

[wicked_being]

Insom wrote...

It ain't no AAA game. The original was.

That says it all .

[Joy Divison]

Most sales come in first weeks/first month.

DA2 had huge advantage in the wake of Orgins's success. Now it has to stand on its own and its reception, fairly or unfairly, has been mixed at best.

Just about all the people who were going to buy the game on faith have already done, how is DA2 going to maintain a strong sales figure and match its predecessor?

[huwie]

Volourn wrote...

DA2 has sold about the same as DA1 did after two weeks. On top of that, it was quicker and cheaper to make. This means, for those playing at home, it is a much more profitable ventture than DA1 was. In conclusion, with the limited data we have, DA2 was a financial success.
[snip]
If DA2 is a failure that would make DA1 a collasal one. R00fles!

DA2 will have been cheaper to make partly because it benefited from previously sunk development costs that had been covered by DA:O, so that's not quite fair.

DA:O also created massive good-will and enhanced Bioware's (and the franchise's) brand value, boosting DA2 opening sales at the cost of "drawing down" that good-will and value. A true accounting of the two games' relative performance would need to price that transaction somehow.

Basically, the big picture is much more complex than simply comparing the budget:revenue ratios between the two games.

[KorPhaeron]

Korusus wrote...

Rheia1234 wrote...

Crash_7 wrote...

You cannot call it a fail so early in the cycle. Wait six months before you hand out sentences.

Exactly, with this source being called unreliable it's hard to tell. But even so, just using X360 as a marker (I'm a PC player, but 360 seems to be the more popular platform) DOA sold 509,171 in the first two weeks worldwide, DA2 sold 521,405 in the first 2 weeks worldwide.

First week DA2 sales were higher than DA:O (popularity of DA:O being the driving force).  Second week DA2 sales significantly lower than DA:O sales.  Low ratings and bad word of mouth takes its toll.

We won't really know until week 3.  But the fact that DA2 has so far outsold DA:O (on X360, can't compare to PC for variety of reasons...no digital numbers, lack of DA:O pc sales) is more indicative of the popularity of DA:O because it's only from the increase in first week sales (which by a strange turn of events just happens to make up for the drastic drop in the second week).

lol

DAO was the first game in the series so alot of people that werent on the forums all day didnt really know about the game, so only the people who really knew about the game got it in the first week.

DA2 on the other hand had all the good sales, awards and marketing of the original to back it up, and its selling worst then the original??

That is a failure.

Oh and btw Bioware isnt getting 60$ per box, they are maybe getting 20$ , you are forgeting the retailers the shareholders etc

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

You have no idea what cod gamers are like....I do I'm a retired cod enthusiast they won't leave cod for DAO most wouldn't know anything about the game..... You'd need another FPS too get FPS gamers...stop with that DAO 2 is for cod players crap it's not true....

[Psython]

I think we have to remember that development time and cost play a big part in overall profit. It seems that the goal for DA2 was to make it as cheaply and quickly as possible. So even with less sales it might generate more profit.