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[randallman]

Volourn wrote...

Were you on the BIO baords when those games were released? if you were, you would know what I mean.

I hope you enjoyed Sonic 'cause I sure as heck didn't. You also betetr go ****** over the overrated KOTOR. LMAO

Excuse me?  Did you just tell me to go masturbate?

I've got a mind to report you.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fap

******

To indicate that someone (normally the speaker) is masturbating.
I was watching some porn - ****** ****** ****** - when my computer crashed, again!

[Volourn]

hey, let's all go slaughter another billion darkspawn again and let's all be heroes of Feralden again!

Biions of darkspawn for everybody!

P.S. I do like how one can be considered a 'fanbiy' for preferring one BIO game over another.

OMG I like JE more than KOTOR. I'm a BIO fanboy. OMG I like KOTOR over JE, I'm a BIO fanboy!

R00fles!

"Excuse me?  Did you just tell me to go masturbate?"

Nope.

Modifié par Volourn, 28 mars 2011 - 09:36 .

[Tezzajh]

They don't do enough marketing, I have seen the trailer once on FX and thats it, if I see a sequel without knowing about the first or without seeing enough trailers, I as do many others would assume the game is ****e.

They made it to rent freindly as well 3 playthroughts and you have done and heard everything
origins had 8 diffent playthroughs new coments for each species and sex

[MrTijger]

Well, I'm sure Bioware will take their 'fans' oh so serious when this is the level in the forums. Yah. Honest.

[randallman]

Volourn wrote...

hey, let's all go slaughter another billion darkspawn again and let's all be heroes of Feralden again!

Biions of darkspawn for everybody!

P.S. I do like how one can be considered a 'fanbiy' for preferring one BIO game over another.

OMG I like JE more than KOTOR. I'm a BIO fanboy. OMG I like KOTOR over JE, I'm a BIO fanboy!

R00fles!

"Excuse me?  Did you just tell me to go masturbate?"

Nope.

owell, reported nontheless...  Might wanna check the meaning of a word prior to using it in a personal attack.

[Volourn]

I couldn't play DA1 more than twice. You basically see everything anyways. You go to the same tower, woods, caves, and towns too.

You cna't see 'everything' in DA2 after 3 play throughs eitehr. Not that you need to since in both games the difference are gonna be the huge. This is true even for the best C&C game ever known as FO.


"owell, reported nontheless...  Might wanna check the meaning of a word prior to using it in a personal attack."

You forced to me report you for personal attacks and making a false accusation. This is a sad day that saying someone like a game (in this case KOTOR) is cosndiered a 'personal attack'. You hate KOTOR that much and feel that insulted by me saying you liked it? My apologies.

Modifié par Volourn, 28 mars 2011 - 09:41 .

[randallman]

MrTijger wrote...

Sorry? Nice of you to make such a sweeping statement but eh...I've played Bioware games since BG and I happen to like DA 2 and so does my wife. So I call BS. A portion of fans feels that DA 2 did not appeal to them, yes, how big that crowd is will become clear when we have official sales figures but I can tell you this...if those sales exceed DAO (and I suspect they will) then you better start getting used to this new world.

Let me qualify this then.  Abosolutely ZERO of my friends, in real life or on the Internet, who played and enjoyed DA:O enjoyed DA2.  This is a sample size around 20 which clearly isnt enough to make any actual emperical judgements.  I can only speak from personal experience and the general buzz on the boards/Internet.

--Randall

Modifié par randallman, 28 mars 2011 - 09:44 .

[Tommy6860]

randallman wrote...

Volourn wrote...

" This ''game'' did not appeal to the MAJORITY of bioware's traditional fans."

Just like NWN, KOTOR, JE, ME, DA, and ME2 'didn't' either.. R00fles!

I am, however, complaining about this thing called DA2...

What folks fail to realize is that we hate this game more than any other game ever made by Bioware (excepting Sonic which I never even tried)!  Comparing it to NWN or to ME1 or KOTOR is not useful.

DA2 was a sequel; irrespective of whatever the developers in their infinite wisdom decided to proclaim during pre-release notifications, we had the idea that DA2 would bear a reasonable resemblance to the game for which Bioware claimed this was, in fact, a sequel.  Unfortunately, it did not.  It SO did not.

Exactly! Those who are most disappointed really thought the game was going to have more relevance to the characters and story that ended in Origins, to carry over into DA2. Bioware/EA knew this and didn't even come close to marketing the game as totally different from its predecessor, especially considering the name of the game, which has "Dragon Age" in it. Only a few weeks before DA2's release did the marketing blitz get into full gear here and the Bioware folks started revealing what the story in-game really was, and the demo set that up for failure. Regardless, they are going to make money on this game no matter the backlash. It took about 40% of the dev time to make this game than it did Origins, so right there you're going to see profits when it gets around the 1m sales range.

If anyone who was expecting some semblance of Origins in DA2, knew that it had very little, they more than likely would not buy into it. I am one those who has some regrets getting this game. When my wife finishes it, to Ebay it goes.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 28 mars 2011 - 09:45 .

[randallman]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Exactly! Those who are most disappointed really thought the game was going to have more relevance to the characters and story that ended in Origins, to carry over into DA2. Bioware/EA knew this and didn't even come close to marketing the game as totally different from its predecessor, especially considering the name of the game, which has "Dragon Age" in it. Only a few weeks before DA2's release did the marketing blitz get into full gear here and the Bioware folks started revealing what the story in-game really was, and the demo set that up for failure. Regardless, they are going to make money on this game no matter the backlash. It took about 40% of the dev time to make this game than it did Origins, so right there you're going to see profits when it gets around the 1m sales range.

If anyone who was expecting some semblance of Origins in DA2, knew that it had very little, they more than likely would not buy into it. I am one those who has some regrets getting this game. When my wife finishes it, to Ebay it goes.

They call it a bait and switch :-)

[Volourn]

DA1 and DA2 are equal.

They have strengths and weaknesses.

DA1 strengths; Character system, origins, & more unique areas

DA2 strengths: story, friendship-rivalry system, & superior overall graphics


"They call it a bait and switch :-)"

Except BIo told us all about the changes pre release. We knew about the character syste, combat system, graphics, story, etc. prior to release... You know what their goals with DA2 was, you had to be aware that it would not be exactly like DA1.. yet bought the game anyways...

How is that is bait and switch? They were upfront...

Modifié par Volourn, 28 mars 2011 - 09:49 .

[JelleSlaets]

Volourn wrote...

DA1 and DA2 are equal.

They have strengths and weaknesses.

DA1 strengths; Character system, origins, & more unique areas

DA2 strengths: story, friendship-rivalry system, & superior overall graphics

Those are subjective obviously, like anything in video games. I for one, only liked the story in the Main plot quests in Act 2, and prefered the new talent trees.

I also doubt DA2 is a commercial fail, as production costs were way lower than they were for DA:O.

The real commercial backlash however, could be future sales of the DA franchise, depending on how many people were put off by this version

[Tezzajh]

Volourn wrote...

DA1 and DA2 are equal.

They have strengths and weaknesses.

DA1 strengths; Character system, origins, & more unique areas

DA2 strengths: story, friendship-rivalry system, & superior overall graphics

thats something to argue over, freindship and rivalry not liked by many cause people have said they cant play the game they want, for example isabella need to get strong riv or freind to keep her right, but you find ur self being constanly nice or bad just to keep her when perhaps you dont agree with certain points but have to say something just for her.

second the graphics improvment yes but I looked at the dalish and i thought my xbox was faulty, no armour detail bad skin texture compared to humans

[randallman]

Volourn wrote...

"They call it a bait and switch :-)"

Except BIo told us all about the changes pre release. We knew about the character syste, combat system, graphics, story, etc. prior to release... You know what their goals with DA2 was, you had to be aware that it would not be exactly like DA1.. yet bought the game anyways...

How is that is bait and switch? They were upfront...

They were upfront to a group of people who are notorious for their desire NOT to spoil a story before experiencing it.

No way I'd follow the developers around trying to learn about the game before I paid $59.99 to enjoy it.

The fact that it was a sequel which was totally different than the original makes it a bait and switch.

Furthermore, making DA2 to appeal to the CoD crowd is akin to making smartcars to sell in the U.S.  We dont want small cars, never will.  So why bother? :-)  CoD players don't want RPGs - they never will... they want short spurt gaming.  My buddy who is a FPS addict would never even consider playing a RPG because he just wants to get in, kill stuff, and get out... Story be da**ed.

--Randall

[MrTijger]

randallman wrote...

MrTijger wrote...

Sorry? Nice of you to make such a sweeping statement but eh...I've played Bioware games since BG and I happen to like DA 2 and so does my wife. So I call BS. A portion of fans feels that DA 2 did not appeal to them, yes, how big that crowd is will become clear when we have official sales figures but I can tell you this...if those sales exceed DAO (and I suspect they will) then you better start getting used to this new world.

Let me qualify this then.  Abosolutely ZERO of my friends, in real life or on the Internet, who played and enjoyed DA:O enjoyed DA2.  This is a sample size around 20 which clearly isnt enough to make any actual emperical judgements.  I can only speak from personal experience and the general buzz on the boards/Internet.

--Randall

So, basically, you're admitting that you made a general sweeping remark without any actual factual basis? Good, then we got that at least cleared up.

[randallman]

MrTijger wrote...

So, basically, you're admitting that you made a general sweeping remark without any actual factual basis? Good, then we got that at least cleared up.

Indeed... But you cannot deny the 'feeling' around here... The angst... And you cannot deny the 'metacritics' and the other various reviews on the 'Net...  This game has more negativity around it than any other I've seen in ages...

They even refer to the 'DA2 debacle' over on the steam crysis2 boards when discussing the consolification of Crysis 2.

[Volourn]

"thats something to argue over, freindship and rivalry not liked by many cause people have said they cant play the game they want, for example isabella need to get strong riv or freind to keep her right, but you find ur self being constanly nice or bad just to keep her when perhaps you dont agree with certain points but have to say something just for her. "

Not perfect but your scenario occured in DA1 as well, though, or any previous BIO games. the best idea is to role-play your character and the chips fall where they may.


"They were upfront to a group of people who are notorious for their desire NOT to spoil a story before experiencing it.

No way I'd follow the developers around trying to learn about the game before I paid $59.99 to enjoy it.

The fact that it was a sequel which was totally different than the original makes it a bait and switch"

1. They actually spoiled the DA1 and ME1 stories prior to release.

2. You didn't pay attention to pre release yet claim that BIo somehow 'tricked' you. Again, theyw ere honest about how the game would be but you had yourn fingers covering your eyes and blocking your ears while you sang"lalala not listening!"... How is that BIo's fault?

This is why you should always pay attention prior to making a purchase any purchase.. Do your ush to watch every seuqel of a movie you enjoyed or do you pay attention to how the producers are handling it?

BIo did nothing wrong here. What happened to customer responsiblity? It's up to you to know what you are buying prior to buying. Outsiide of bugs (which BIo should fix), it's buyer beware.



"Indeed... But you cannot deny the 'feeling' around here... The angst... And you cannot deny the 'metacritics' and the other various reviews on the 'Net...  This game has more negativity around it than any other I've seen in ages..."

I've been around for years. This is nothing different than any other BIO release. This, honestly, is nowhere as 'negative' as the NWN forums were 8 years ago. The DA2 haters have NOTHING on the NWN haters. NOTHING.

Modifié par Volourn, 28 mars 2011 - 10:10 .

[Tezzajh]

MrTijger wrote...

This game has more negativity around it than any other I've seen in ages...

agreed but they do seem to be picking on it , we had gay romance in origins but cause there is more than 1 gay option here everybody is condeming it

[AkiKishi]

randallman wrote...

They even refer to the 'DA2 debacle' over on the steam crysis2 boards when discussing the consolification of Crysis 2.

DA2 is now a meme for failure.

[Tezzajh]

Volourn wrote...

"thats something to argue over, freindship and rivalry not liked by many cause people have said they cant play the game they want, for example isabella need to get strong riv or freind to keep her right, but you find ur self being constanly nice or bad just to keep her when perhaps you dont agree with certain points but have to say something just for her. "

Not perfect but your scenario occured in DA1 as well, though, or any previous BIO games. the best idea is to role-play your character and the chips fall where they may.


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true but no one left mid game in origins and the diffrence of origins is if i wanted to destroy the urn of ashes i simply wouldn't bring lelianna and lie to her when i get back but DA2 there is no way around the isabella thing you have to use her or she is gone

[Blastback]

BobSmith101 wrote...

randallman wrote...

They even refer to the 'DA2 debacle' over on the steam crysis2 boards when discussing the consolification of Crysis 2.

DA2 is now a meme for failure.

Oh lord.

[Merced652]

BobSmith101 wrote...

randallman wrote...

They even refer to the 'DA2 debacle' over on the steam crysis2 boards when discussing the consolification of Crysis 2.

DA2 is now a meme for failure.

[MrTijger]

randallman wrote...

Indeed... But you cannot deny the 'feeling' around here... The angst... And you cannot deny the 'metacritics' and the other various reviews on the 'Net...  This game has more negativity around it than any other I've seen in ages...

They even refer to the 'DA2 debacle' over on the steam crysis2 boards when discussing the consolification of Crysis 2.

Yes, we're all aware that a minority is trying to monopolize the discussion and its going to achieve the exact opposite of what they are looking for, I expect.

If thats the 'loyal' fanbase then I expect Bioware would rather they pledged their loyalty to Activision.

Modifié par MrTijger, 28 mars 2011 - 10:17 .

[Volourn]

"true but no one left mid game in origins and the diffrence of origins is if i wanted to destroy the urn of ashes i simply wouldn't bring lelianna and lie to her when i get back but DA2 there is no way around the isabella thing you have to use her or she is gone "

yeah, but only if you know spoilers and what not and know before hand that Leilianna would attack you there. If Lelinan was your fave DA1 characetr you would have likely taken you with her and then have to face the potential consequences.

And, you don't have to take Izzy everywhere to get her friendship up. I didn't, and managed just fine. I split time with her and Varric as my party rogue.


P.S. As for the loyalty thing. Nobody here is loyal to BIO. Nobody. Not the DA2 lovers, not the DA2 haters. I certainly don't buy every BIO game, and I certainly don't buy all the silly DLC.

I buy games I beleive I'll enjoy. Just as anybody else does. Customers don't know what loyalty is. Custoemrs, by definition, are selfish arrogant evil scumbags (this includes me). If BIo goes under do you think the 'loyalist fans' will mourn them? nah, they'll get their game fix somewhere else. *shrug*

BIO is irrelevant. Let's be honest. This is about our own selfish needs, and desires.

Modifié par Volourn, 28 mars 2011 - 10:20 .

[randallman]

Volourn wrote...

1. They actually spoiled the DA1 and ME1 stories prior to release.

2. You didn't pay attention to pre release yet claim that BIo somehow 'tricked' you. Again, theyw ere honest about how the game would be but you had yourn fingers covering your eyes and blocking your ears while you sang"lalala not listening!"... How is that BIo's fault?

This is why you should always pay attention prior to making a purchase any purchase.. Do your ush to watch every seuqel of a movie you enjoyed or do you pay attention to how the producers are handling it?

BIo did nothing wrong here. What happened to customer responsiblity? It's up to you to know what you are buying prior to buying. Outsiide of bugs (which BIo should fix), it's buyer beware.

No, actually I pre-ordered on faith.  Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice... well you know the rest.

Generally speaking, I dont use fan reviews to decide a movie's quality.  And yes, I will blindly pay $5.99 for a On-Demand rental of a movie 'just because it's a sequel'.  Bad metaphor, the stakes are far different with the price of movies.  I don't usually go to the theater because I'd rather wait for it to be on my TV at home

Volourn wrote...

randallman wrote...
"Indeed... But you cannot deny the 'feeling' around here... The angst... And you cannot deny the 'metacritics' and the other various reviews on the 'Net...  This game has more negativity around it than any other I've seen in ages..."

I've been around for years. This is nothing different than any other BIO release. This, honestly, is nowhere as 'negative' as the NWN forums were 8 years ago. The DA2 haters have NOTHING on the NWN haters. NOTHING.

I was on the bio boards as well...  I didn't see the h8...  Not like this.

randallman
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--Randall

Modifié par randallman, 28 mars 2011 - 10:19 .

[Volourn]

"I was on the bio boards as well... I didn't see the h8... Not like this."

You have a faulty memory then. The hate then makes the 'hate' here seem like child's play. Most of the hate here is more along the lines of 'DA2 is not as good as DA1'.. the hate (the vocal) was more likem 'nwn is the worst game of all time and bio should die and i hateveryone blah blah blah).

beleive me, this the DA2 'hate' is rather full of clamness and relaxation. You couldn't have a disucssion with the haters there... you can with majority of DA2 'haters'.