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[Maria Caliban]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

GhoXen wrote...
We won't really know that until we play the game. Though the difficulty(or rather requirement) here smells like WoW-level.

Which isn't that much, really. You could   beat almost everything with an offspec healer if he knew what he was doing (the main problem was that most didn't) and that was even back when the game wasn't so casual;)
/end sort-of rant

You could beat 'almost everything' with an off-spec healer who knew what he was doing if everyone else had the right spec and also knew what they were doing. Getting together a group of 25 people who are all specced right, have the right gear, understand their class, understand their role, and can communicate and work together is a far harder task than that presented in any single player RPG I know of.

[Achromatis]

Haha I hate raids. I was an officer/raid leader in a raiding guild for a few months and I absolutely hated it. I can barely find 9 other people to do 10mans that I can stand to play with, let alone 24 people. Which is why Ive not gotten past Ulduar yet, I can find a good 5-6 people that I know and like to play with but the majority of WoW players are just... yeh.

GhoXen wrote...

Raven2131990 wrote...

this isnt a raid though, its a single player game. id imagine wynn is being cast as the standard healer, but you can always level morrigan up as a healer first

Well, Nightmare kind of is.

Imagine the difficulty levels from a WoW player's perspective:

Casual - beating a bunch of non-elites.
Normal - beating a bunch of quest elites.
Hard - beating an instance.
Nightmare - beating an Heroic instance.

Now, any experienced WoW player would know that going into a Heroic instance with an off-spec healer is pretty much suicidal, while a somewhat good and skilled off-spec healer may just work on Normal/Hard.

Actually most heroics are doable with an offspec healer if theyre not retarded, and thats still in the same no CC situations. If we went back to the ways of TBC heroics where DPS players were more than button mashing monkeys and used some CC, Im pretty sure I could get through a few heroics without a healer at all.  Something like H UK with maybe a couple heals from a Ele/Boomkin/SPriest. Of course, my main is a Blood Death Knight(I have a lolPaladin too, but hes Holy not Ret ><). Something like Nexus or VH you would need a healer though, and probably anything else with lots of AoE . Which relates to Dragon Age I think, if your smart and use CCs and dont get surrounded I think youll be fine without a healer healer.

I think what having a dedicated healer in Dragon Age will do is make things easier and give you more room for mistakes, and I agree probably isnt needed at all on most difficulties. I will of course be taking one, probably myself, when I play on Nightmare. But that doesnt mean you cant try to not use Wynne, just use lots of saves(like you should be doing) and if you run into a part where you need her then just reload and put her in your party. I think thats why IMO you get access to more people than you can have in your party at any one time.

Modifié par Achromatis, 29 octobre 2009 - 07:49 .

[Taleroth]

It's truly terrible design if we have to have Wynne (or dedicate our own PC as healer). I can't see a choice that narrow slipping past design. Let alone being intended.



So, I'm going to be in denial until I see for myself.

[Fulgrim88]

Achromatis wrote...

Haha I hate raids. I was an officer/raid leader in a raiding guild for a few months and I absolutely hated it. I can barely find 9 other people to do 10mans that I can stand to play with, let alone 24 people. Which is why Ive not gotten past Ulduar yet, I can find a good 5-6 people that I know and like to play with but the majority of WoW players are just... yeh.

Actually most heroics are doable with an offspec healer if theyre not retarded, and thats still in the same no CC situations. If we went back to the ways of TBC heroics where DPS players were more than button mashing monkeys and used some CC, Im pretty sure I could get through a few heroics without a healer at all.  Something like H UK with maybe a couple heals from a Ele/Boomkin/SPriest. Of course, my main is a Blood Death Knight(I have a lolPaladin too, but hes Holy not Ret ><). Something like Nexus or VH you would need a healer though, and probably anything else with lots of AoE . Which relates to Dragon Age I think, if your smart and use CCs and dont get surrounded I think youll be fine without a healer healer.

I think what having a dedicated healer in Dragon Age will do is make things easier and give you more room for mistakes, and I agree probably isnt needed at all on most difficulties. I will of course be taking one, probably myself, when I play on Nightmare. But that doesnt mean you cant try to not use Wynne, just use lots of saves(like you should be doing) and if you run into a part where you need her then just reload and put her in your party. I think thats why IMO you get access to more people than you can have in your party at any one time.

Thanks, spares me another big post;)
I can't judge WoLK for i quit playing long ago, but i agree with what you say about TBC heroics. They definitely where doable without a dedicated healer and/or even no healer at all and from what i know WoW hasn't become more difficult since then.
On the topic of Raids, i see no point in comparing them to DA:O.

[Malkavianqueen]

I am not having Wynne in my party. T__T She is annoying and I have seen her character for three minutes (will end up killing her). I don't really care how difficult that makes the game. ^__^ The longer it takes to beat, the longer I'll get to play it.

[GhoXen]

@Achromatis



And would you consider that anywhere efficient as opposed to a speed run with a good main spec healer?



Also, by off-spec healer here I do not mean a caster with a somewhat alright healing set and a dual spec for healing. I'm talking about something along the lines of a shadow priest with dps gear, coming out of his shadowform for once and put those healing spells onto his action bar.

[On_Slaught]

I wasn't intending on having Wynne in my first or second run-throughs so I will likely play those on Easy to allow morrigan to fill the healing role.

[Dawnhorn]

Why all the Wynne hate?

Modifié par Dawnhorn, 29 octobre 2009 - 08:02 .

[SheffSteel]

Whoa! Sorry, thought this was another romance thread.



/back out slowly

[Fulgrim88]

GhoXen wrote...
Also, by off-spec healer here I do not mean a caster with a somewhat alright healing set and a dual spec for healing. I'm talking about something along the lines of a shadow priest with dps gear, coming out of his shadowform for once and put those healing spells onto his action bar.

Yep, so am I. Been in a long time raiding guild back when i was playing and heroics with shadowpriests where definitely doable, as long as they where skilled. So where heroics without healers. Ever tried the demon infested parts of Tempest Keep with Warrior +4 Warlocks? Fun:D

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 29 octobre 2009 - 08:02 .

[Tankenminnet]

JESUS CHRIST.



Dragon Age people. Not WoW. Holy mother of crap.

[gossipgirl]

Also in the competition it was about going through the content to get points, they probably didn't have time to actually use the herbalism skill to create your own potions. The only downside of using potions is that you lose one round in combat but it would be an viable option if you take the time to stock up on them.

Modifié par gossipgirl, 29 octobre 2009 - 08:04 .

[MrGOH]

Your premise is faulty; Wynne, Morrigan and two warriors work the best when you're trying to run through the game as quickly as possible killing as many enemies as possible. It's not that it will be near-impossible to complete without Wynne.

[TuringPoint]

I'm sure you'd just have to be on your toes a little more. How much worse can Morrigan be as a healer though, honestly?

[Achromatis]

Well Elemental Shamans or Boomkins and Shadow Priests have saved my ass a few times now when some idiot healer gets killed by AoE(whirling axe in UK for example). They have the raw healing power but not the mana efficiency... Depends on how good your DPS is. But I was going off a if you over gear it perspective, which probably wont be the case in Dragon Age.

And yeh Fulgrim, its VERY easy these days. Basically what they did was gave everyone a CC, and then completely removed the need for it. There is not one WotLK instance or raid(barring Instructor in Naxx25, or adds in Gluth. But its not really a WotLK raid) I can think of where any CC is used. Like, none. Tanks all just spam AoEs, DPS just all spam AoEs, and Healers sit back and /yawn if the tank is decently skilled/geared.

I mean progression raids are different of course, but there still isnt much CC used.

Edit: No this isnt WoW, but the same strategies apply.

Modifié par Achromatis, 29 octobre 2009 - 08:11 .

[Kyrish]

MrGOH wrote...

Your premise is faulty; Wynne, Morrigan and two warriors work the best when you're trying to run through the game as quickly as possible killing as many enemies as possible. It's not that it will be near-impossible to complete without Wynne.

I donno. I would ask Team Spain about their thoughts on that one. Of course that was Normal. You would probably have no trouble at all without a healer on Easy.

[Razcalking1978]

Keep in mind that a mage without the Spirit Healer spec will not get the Group Heal or Revival spells.



Look, I didn't just make this concern up out of thin air. Every group in the Warden's Quest found that having Wynne was absolutely essential to success, and they said it over and over. One poster pointed out that with more time and better planning, maybe Morrigan could be made into a healer. I hope that's the case.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Selzurius wrote...

You'll see I asked that question in our UK boy's thread over there where you also voiced your concerns about being cornholed into bringing Wynne.

I think you mean pigeon-holed. I don't want ANYONE corn-holing me into doing anything.

[shertokch]

I asked this a week ago and was told that the party memberscan change their specialization, too. so you could make morrigan a spirit healer.
i dont know if thats confirmed though. otherwise, its really annoying to bring the old hag along.

Modifié par shertokch, 29 octobre 2009 - 08:20 .

[Bebbe777]

SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!



You can kill Wynne before she joins you.

[Herr Uhl]

shertokch wrote...

I asked this a week ago and was told that the party memberscan change their specialization, too. so you could make morrigan a spirit healer.
i dont know if thats confirmed though. otherwise, its really annoying to bring the old hag along.

Yes, but I have a hard time seeing Morrigan getting cuddly with friendly spirits. About as likely as getting Sten to become a templar.

[Foxd1e]

In a word: No.



As a side note I really need to look it up and see if there is an option to block certain peoples avatars because you can tell some people just went out of their way to make the most idiotic looking avatar anyone could want to look at.



Oh yes let's shave the eyebrows, make them bald, now let's add a touch of The Clap, you can never have to much of that ok now let's twist there face into some sort of grotesque smile, there we go. Oh jeez! I'm only like the 8th person who has thought of doing that so far. Damn one day! One day I will have an original idea.

[tnpinc]

What no one remembers the 10-man Shaman Kara team? One of the greatest feats in Shaman history.

[Foxd1e]

tnpinc wrote...

What no one remembers the 10-man Shaman Kara team? One of the greatest feats in Shaman history.

Burning Crusade is so fresh how could anyone forget that? Now if you said something along the lines of:
 
Remember the good ole days of 40-manning Lower Black Rock Spire just to get to Molten Core to hit Ragnaros up for some Epic Lewtz!?