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[CronicNytemare]

So we see in the destiny trailer that bioware portrays Hawke as a male
Mage. However, I'm curious as what other game play elements you think go
along with this "canon" Hawke.

-What do you think happens to Carver?
We
see in the tale that Varric tells that Carver is in what appears to be
Grey Warden Armor. Do you think he was suppose to run off and join the
Templars, become a Grey Warden, or perish in the deep roads?

-Hawkes romantic interest. In the Destiny trailer when it flashes back you see hawke have a run in with Isabella and they kiss.
I
ask this because in DA: O they kind of assume you get together with
Morrigan because in Witch Hunt she speaks of the child from the ritual.
And the warden disapears, supposedly with morrigan through the mirror.

-which side do you think Hawke would of sided with? Considering he's a Mage yet his brother is so pro Templar.

-what
would "canon" Mage hawke do with Anders after the Chantry? I'd hate to
kill him for him to have a big role in a future game or have some quest
involving him. Or maybe his death was a pivotal role in continued Mage
conflict.


These are the few major events that I think that
can come back in a future game. Since I've completed the game already I
am trying to go back a play a "canon" to lore Hawke. I say canon because
events like killing Leliana in origins wasn't canon since she is a
seeker of the divine in DA2, or sacrificing yourself since they hint
that the warden has disappeared and will make a return later on.

Plus here is DA:O cinematic that shows a "canon" warden


DA2 cinematic in case you didnt see

[The Angry One]

Default is not canon. Not in quote marks or anything else.
So no, Bearded Idiot is not canon.

The DA:O trailer warden isn't even default anyway.

[CronicNytemare]

Well some things from at least DA:O to DA2 Transition are considered canon.

-In the cinematic we seel Warden as a Male Warrior
-Leliana is alive and working with the Chantry/Seeker (Killing her at Andraste ashes not Canon)
-Warden is alive (sacrificing your warden not canon)
-Dark ritual was preformed. ( more than likely with the warden as this would have a stronger plot/connection)
-Morrigan liekly Romance (Since we see Leliana working with Chantry, Alistar is Ruling as King, Zeveran into flings/escaping crows)

So some of these things were wirther canon or retconned. I am just wondering what people think will be considered canon that wont possibly get retconned.

[Jarcander]

Default Wander is the male human one from noble origins. Man from DA:O's trailer certainly could've been him. They even try to force you on path of sword and shield style.

[The Angry One]

CronicNytemare wrote...

-In the cinematic we seel Warden as a Male Warrior

What?

-Leliana is alive and working with the Chantry/Seeker (Killing her at Andraste ashes not Canon)

Minor issue.

-Warden is alive (sacrificing your warden not canon)

If the Warden is dead then they refer to the Orlesian Warden-Commander.

-Dark ritual was preformed. ( more than likely with the warden as this would have a stronger plot/connection)

This is never mentioned.

-Morrigan liekly Romance (Since we see Leliana working with Chantry, Alistar is Ruling as King, Zeveran into flings/escaping crows)

Leliana's current status does not in any way exclude anything that happens to her in DA:O, neither does Zevran's.
Alistair being King is 1 of 3 outcomes in DA2 for him.

Modifié par The Angry One, 26 mars 2011 - 08:09 .

[erilben]

If you want to believe that the default is canon, then it's canon that Warden did not do a romance with Morrigan. He don't go after Morrigan in Witch Hunt either. All the Witch Hunt flags and romance flags are set to zeros on the default.

Modifié par erilben, 26 mars 2011 - 08:09 .

[Lord Gremlin]

CronicNytemare wrote...

Well some things from at least DA:O to DA2 Transition are considered canon.

-In the cinematic we seel Warden as a Male Warrior
-Leliana is alive and working with the Chantry/Seeker (Killing her at Andraste ashes not Canon)
-Warden is alive (sacrificing your warden not canon)
-Dark ritual was preformed. ( more than likely with the warden as this would have a stronger plot/connection)
-Morrigan liekly Romance (Since we see Leliana working with Chantry, Alistar is Ruling as King, Zeveran into flings/escaping crows)

So some of these things were wirther canon or retconned. I am just wondering what people think will be considered canon that wont possibly get retconned.

Look, there is no canon. Deal with it. Alistair was a drunkard at the Hanged Man in my game. And Warden was a mage.
I just don't get it where do you get those wild guesses from? Is it the first build-in DAO events for DA2? I mean the top one in the list of 3?

[CronicNytemare]

This is not the first time Bioware has mentioned a canon version to fit the lore of future games. Yes they may make a hint at what ever choice you made but, to move the plot forward sometimes they will say this is what happened. Look at KOTOR. In the first game they said the Revan was a male Jedi who in the end came back to the Light side in order to help defeat Malak and went off into deep space to find the ancient sith empire.
in KOTOR two the Exile was stated as being a female who was a good/grey jedi.

Yes, in the self-contained game anything you do can be a possibility but in the grand scheme of future games sometimes the company will say this is what really happened. They just ad slight references to other choices so people wont be like, "wtf i didnt do any of this"

Look at Dead Space as another example The use of the marker in both game vastly differs.

I am just asking what people feel, would be the main choices in prediction of a future game.

Modifié par CronicNytemare, 26 mars 2011 - 08:31 .

[The Angry One]

CronicNytemare wrote...

This is not the first time Bioware has mentioned a canon version to fit the lore of future games. Yes they may make a hint at what ever choice you made but, to move the plot forward sometimes they will say this is what happened. Look at KOTOR. In the first game they said the Revan was a male Jedi who in the end came back to the Light side in order to help defeat Malak and went off into deep space to find the ancient sith empire.
in KOTOR two the Exile was stated as being a female who was a good/grey jedi.

Yes, in the self-contained game anything you do can be a possibility but in the grand scheme of future games sometimes the company will say this is what really happened. They just ad slight references to other choices so people wont be like, "wtf i didnt do any of this"

I am just asking what people feel, would be the main choices in prediction of a future game.

That was not BioWare. That was Lucasfilm. Specifically, it was some no-talent comic writer who decided to arbitrarily declare Revan's gender and actions, then the Exile's when people complained (as if that made it better).
BioWare *and* Obsidian made no canon for KotOR (in fact, in KotOR II Atton will default to Revan being female).

I'd add that this type of plot and player action meddling is part of the reason BioWare went out to make their own IPs instead of Star Wars and D&D.

Modifié par The Angry One, 26 mars 2011 - 08:35 .

[CronicNytemare]

The Angry One wrote...

CronicNytemare wrote...

This is not the first time Bioware has mentioned a canon version to fit the lore of future games. Yes they may make a hint at what ever choice you made but, to move the plot forward sometimes they will say this is what happened. Look at KOTOR. In the first game they said the Revan was a male Jedi who in the end came back to the Light side in order to help defeat Malak and went off into deep space to find the ancient sith empire.
in KOTOR two the Exile was stated as being a female who was a good/grey jedi.

Yes, in the self-contained game anything you do can be a possibility but in the grand scheme of future games sometimes the company will say this is what really happened. They just ad slight references to other choices so people wont be like, "wtf i didnt do any of this"

I am just asking what people feel, would be the main choices in prediction of a future game.

That was not BioWare. That was Lucasfilm. Specifically, it was some no-talent comic writer who decided to arbitrarily declare Revan's gender and actions, then the Exile's when people complained (as if that made it better).
BioWare *and* Obsidian made no canon for KotOR (in fact, in KotOR II Atton will default to Revan being female).

I'd add that this type of plot and player action meddling is part of the reason BioWare went out to make their own IPs instead of Star Wars and D&D.

You say it wasn't Biowares desicion & that's why they set out to make their own IP instead of Star Wars D&D. But, aren't they taking what happened in those 2 games and applying that lore to their new SW:TOR MMORPG?

Fact is sometimes in RPGs they company has to set some stuff as canon or Retcon certain stuff. Because with all the available choices to make with each game there becomes more and more variable that after a few games in the series comes out there would be so many things they would have to account for that it be hard to do them all. That or when different development teams pick up a sequal they determine what they want to use for the next game.

They proably helped to cut down on the variables with this game by forcing your character to be human. no matter wht happens both sides get decimated etc


Some things I wonder about.

-If you let Redcliff get decimated by the undead, the Erl's son get possed would they add that into plot.
-Weren't the Dalish granted their own land for them to settle on? Why are they still roaming around
-If you Warden married the king/queen. I don't think they acknowledge that.

Modifié par CronicNytemare, 26 mars 2011 - 08:47 .

[The Angry One]

CronicNytemare wrote...

You say it wasn't Biowares desicion & that's why they set out to make their own IP instead of Star Wars D&D. But, aren't they taking what happened in those 2 games and applying that lore to their new SW:TOR MMORPG?

It's been years, they've moved on, they don't care anymore and they're being paid?

Fact is sometimes in RPGs they company has to set some stuff as canon or Retcon certain stuff. Because with all the available choices to make with each game there becomes more and more variable that after a few games in the series comes out there would be so many things they would have to account for that it be hard to do them all. That or when different development teams pick up a sequal they determine what they want to use for the next game.

They proably helped to cut down on the variables with this game by forcing your character to be human. no matter wht happens both sides get decimated etc

And the fact remains that BioWare have never willingly imposed canon on that level, categorically have not in Mass Effect and Dragon Age and most likely won't in the future.
Cutting down on variables for better or worse doesn't change what has happened before, which they've still left up to the player.

-If you let Redcliff get decimated by the undead, the Erl's son get possed would they add that into plot.

Connor's fate is a plot flag, whether it changes anything or not I haven't noticed (dead in the save I used).

-Weren't the Dalish granted their own land for them to settle on? Why are they still roaming around

Because they're not the clan you deal with in DA:O and left shortly after the events of the Dalish Warden origin.

-If you Warden married the king/queen. I don't think they acknowledge that.

Yes they do, my Warden Queen is mentioned several times.

Modifié par The Angry One, 26 mars 2011 - 08:51 .

[PlumPaul93]

The Angry One wrote...

Default is not canon. Not in quote marks or anything else.
So no, Bearded Idiot is canon.

The DA:O trailer warden isn't even default anyway.

FI4U

[Bann Duncan]

CronicNytemare wrote...

-If you let Redcliff get decimated by the undead, the Erl's son get possed would they add that into plot.
-Weren't the Dalish granted their own land for them to settle on? Why are they still roaming around
-If you Warden married the king/queen. I don't think they acknowledge that.

The 'boon' was not part of the save file. Wardens on the throne are acknowledged.

[The Angry One]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Default is not canon. Not in quote marks or anything else.
So no, Bearded Idiot is canon.

The DA:O trailer warden isn't even default anyway.

FI4U

[Chuvvy]

CronicNytemare wrote...

Well some things from at least DA:O to DA2 Transition are considered canon.

-In the cinematic we seel Warden as a Male Warrior
-Leliana is alive and working with the Chantry/Seeker (Killing her at Andraste ashes not Canon)
-Warden is alive (sacrificing your warden not canon)
-Dark ritual was preformed. ( more than likely with the warden as this would have a stronger plot/connection)
-Morrigan liekly Romance (Since we see Leliana working with Chantry, Alistar is Ruling as King, Zeveran into flings/escaping crows)

So some of these things were wirther canon or retconned. I am just wondering what people think will be considered canon that wont possibly get retconned.

I imported a Warden that romanced Leliana. There was no mention of it in DA2. Also she's running around working as a seeker so I assume they broke up. I also assume Zevran and the Warden broke up.

[St Mael]

Slidell505 wrote...

I imported a Warden that romanced Leliana. There was no mention of it in DA2. Also she's running around working as a seeker so I assume they broke up. I also assume Zevran and the Warden broke up.

Zevran acknowledges the romance from Origins, so he does not offer to sleep with Hawke if a save game is imported in which he was in a reletionship with the warden. He obviously still cares enough not to cheat so they must still be together.

Leliana also acknowledges the romance by saying that the warden is very close to her heart in the DLC quest. And she works as a seeker precisley for the reason that the warden is missing along with Hawke and she cares enough about him to become a seeker so she can find him.


But note that save game importing is currently kind of buggy, a lot of the flags are not interpreted correctly by the game as it progresses, so that must be the reason why you had no mention of your romance in the game. Expect it to be patched eventually though.

Modifié par St Mael, 26 mars 2011 - 09:55 .

[Dreadstruck]

Wow, some people are really  fanatical immoderate passionate over their canon.

What's up with the beard hate?
While I don't consider the Blood Mage Garrett Hawke as "my canon", I actually don't mind the marketing appearance at all. Hell, I am even liking it.
Does that mean I am an tasteless idiot?

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 26 mars 2011 - 10:01 .

[LobselVith8]

@OP, I think Carver becomes a better person when he joins the Wardens. He steps out of Hawke's shadows and comes into his own, becomes part of something bigger than he is, and he quotes the Warden motto. All he does as a templar is become disillusioned with the Order.

Personally, I don't kill Anders. He wanted to free the mages. I also think he has a lot of story potential left being in a symbiotic relationship to Justice.

As for canon, DA2 reads our choices. Mine imported the Hero of Ferelden being a mage, the Magi boon that the Chantry turned down, the werewolves being cured of their curse, the golems being around, Bhelen as King, Queen Anora with King Alistair, and Amaranthine being prosperous because it was saved. I don't think there's a universal canon for all the events, although some choices (like Leliana and Anders being alive if killed) are forced on us.

As for trailer Hawke, I thought he looked Latino.

Regarding the Dalish boon, the Hinterlands are only given if the Dalish Warden asked for it. The slide is bugged to show up for everyone, though. However, I read someone say that Alistair apologized to Merrill about the Hinterlands in an imported Dalish Warden run of DA2, so I don't know what happened there.

[PlumPaul93]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Wow, some people are really  fanatical immoderate passionate over their canon.

What's up with the beard hate?
While I don't consider the Blood Mage Garrett Hawke as "my canon", I actually don't mind the marketing appearance at all. Hell, I am even liking it.
Does that mean I am an tasteless idiot?

Yes

[Lord Gremlin]

CronicNytemare wrote...

Look at Dead Space as another example The use of the marker in both game vastly differs.

I am just asking what people feel, would be the main choices in prediction of a future game.

Not true. Dead Space lore is very consistent (although lacking).

As for prediction, I can tell you that next game will likely recognize if Hawke was a mage or not and who he/she sided with. That is what important for game.

[The Angry One]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Wow, some people are really  fanatical immoderate passionate over their canon.

What's up with the beard hate?
While I don't consider the Blood Mage Garrett Hawke as "my canon", I actually don't mind the marketing appearance at all. Hell, I am even liking it.

No beard hate. Posterboy hate.
Bearded Idiot is a name to illustrate that hate.
I would come up with a demeaning name for Sheploo too but.. Sheploo is pretty humiliating to begin with.

Does that mean I am an tasteless idiot?

Yes.

[Dreadstruck]

Look at those custom avatars around here. I seriously doubt the majority plays as the default "poster boy"(since not even the beard matches) which hardly justifies the hate at all.

That being said, I am still liking his(and Sheploo's) appearance. And Mark Meer's voice acting. So nyaagh!



Also The Angry One, cool it down with your condescending femina.zi attitude.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 17 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[PlumPaul93]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Look at those custom avatars around here. I seriously doubt the majority plays as the "poster boy" anyway(since not even the beard matches).

That being said, I am still liking his(and Sheploo's) appearance. And Mark Meer's voice acting. So nyaagh!

yep I like it also fear the beard.

[The Angry One]

It's the principle of the thing, I wouldn't mind them so much if they didn't take up all space in trailers and promotional material.
Yes FemHawke got some, which is better than FemShep who got.. none at all, but still. Principle.

[Dreadstruck]

The Angry One wrote...

It's the principle of the thing, I wouldn't mind them so much if they didn't take up all space in trailers and promotional material.
Yes FemHawke got some, which is better than FemShep who got.. none at all, but still. Principle.

So you feel like you have to belittle the male counterpart to prove your point? It's unwarranted.

Be optimistic instead, it's getting better. FemShep got nothing, Femhawke Lady Hawke got screens, (whoever) will be in the next game - it'll be a bloody CGI trailer.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 26 mars 2011 - 10:38 .