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[LiquidGrape]

The Angry One wrote...

Anders being a little pushy because it's in is nature to need companionship is a stereotype?

What, didn't you get the memo? Assertiveness is a stereotype now. That's right, be lucid about your attraction to another person and you are digging your own proverbial pigeonhole!


...wait, can you dig pigeonholes?

[Fluffykeith]

"He's portrayed as the stereotype. So it would be okay in your mind for Bioware to make a black hero in the next game that likes fried chicken and watermelon and looks like Chicken George to you? While that's not all of the race to be that way there are some who are. Does that make it right for Bioware to be that way?

Why stop there? Next it'll be jew stereotype. Then what's next for Bioware?"

All I can say to that is that you must have a differant idea of the stereotype than I do, because I really didnt see it.

[jlb524]

thurmanator692 wrote...

I've no problem that Anders makes the first move, just that there isn't  a "let him down gently" option. I deffeinately have no problem that all LI are bi. I prefer it even, sure it's a little unrealistic, but it's fair.

So, the issue is the friend/rival system? 

Or, that BW needs better "let them down gently" options? 

I mean, these have been problems with many romances, including heterosexual ones.  I have the same problem with Kaidan in ME1...you just can't let that dude down without being an ass.  I would never do something so drastic as to call for the removal of heterosexual options b/c of this or make it a 'heterosexual romance' issue.

[The Angry One]

Listen, you can argue that the dialog is at times simplistic, you think there are options missing or that there's no good way to RP a given situation and you may be right.
But this is a general issue and has absolutely nothing to do with the character's bisexuality, stereotypes or anything like that.

...wait, can you dig pigeonholes?

Peck, maybe?

[jlb524]

sheppard7 wrote...

You're allowed to say that's in poor taste as well. Just I didn't know the thread was about Alistair. He did advances in DA2 too? He was a drunkard in one playthrough and king in another that's married so is there a third playboy Alistair appearance in DA2?

I was talking about DA:O.  I don't think the game matters.

[sheppard7]

The Angry One wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Too bad real life friends don't act as Bioware claims they should by just putting unwanted advances on straight people. And that is actually a very poor stereotype of how gays supposedly act.

Basically Bioware makes Anders act the way homophobes think all gays act.

Your real life friends. And as great as your friends may be they don't represent the entirety of all gay, straight or bi people in the universe. Anders just happens to be pushy and impulsive. This is not a stereotype, it's a character trait.

He's portrayed as the stereotype. So it would be okay in your mind for Bioware to make a black hero in the next game that likes fried chicken and watermelon and looks like Chicken George to you? While that's not all of the race to be that way there are some who are. Does that make it right for Bioware to be that way?

Why stop there? Next it'll be jew stereotype. Then what's next for Bioware?

Anders being a little pushy because it's in is nature to need companionship is a stereotype?

How soon did he try to force a viewpoint?

And homophobes have it in their minds that all gays want to do things to them without consent. Anders tries to jump the bones without consent. He can be present to see Hawke hitting on Isabella, Mer, even try with a married woman who he met both of her husbands although one he threatened to kill if he looked at Bethany funny.

And Bioware fanatics can try to justify it but they really took the lazy route by making everyone as potential LI's because as you said earlier not everyone is bi, are they? So not being diverse actually shows how these characters represent nothing real.

[The Angry One]

thurmanator692 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Listen, you can argue that the dialog is at times simplistic, you think there are options missing or that there's no good way to RP a given situation and you may be right.
But this is a general issue and has absolutely nothing to do with the character's bisexuality, stereotypes or anything like that.

...wait, can you dig pigeonholes?

Peck, maybe?

wait, are you saying this in regaurd to what i said? I've got no problem with the sexuality of any character, as i said before, Anders did pretty much what i'd do. I was more trying to argue bioware's position that bi characters are a good idea. I apologize for not being very good at sharing thoughts without getting off topic

I meant that as a general statement, to make it clear that I appreciate how dialog options are sometimes limited (I prefer how it was in DA:O to be honest) but that some people are intent on viewing this as a problem with bisexuality/stereotypes, this part not being directed at you.

[The Angry One]

sheppard7 wrote...

And homophobes have it in their minds that all gays want to do things to them without consent. Anders tries to jump the bones without consent. He can be present to see Hawke hitting on Isabella, Mer, even try with a married woman who he met both of her husbands although one he threatened to kill if he looked at Bethany funny.

And Bioware fanatics can try to justify it but they really took the lazy route by making everyone as potential LI's because as you said earlier not everyone is bi, are they? So not being diverse actually shows how these characters represent nothing real.

You make it sound as if Anders is trying to grope Hawke or something.
He makes a pass, male or female. He's rejected, some rivalry may be gained (rivalry does not mean "I HATE YOU"), he moves on.
In fact, attempting to flirt with Anders later after this makes him respond with "Don't pity me, you made it clear you're not interested and I'm fine with that."

[Beamobaby]

Yeah, the romances in ME1 were good for their time relative to everything else, but looking back, they definitely had their flaws.


I'm gonna try to fan the flames again.

What does everyone think about an extensive sexuality section of the character creator? It could allow for transexuals and transqueers into the game without them having to just imagine it themselves. It'd be a teeny tiny bit more realistic that some NPCs would hit on you. People subconsciously have different body language around those they're attracted too. The game could game itself rather than letting awkward situations go a bit further than expected. There's plenty of positive reasons for it and not just a 'homophobe switch'.

NOTE: This is just an inquiry for opinions.

Modifié par Beamobaby, 28 mars 2011 - 12:03 .

[sheppard7]

thurmanator692 wrote...

xenoprobe wrote...

Fluffykeith wrote...

"He's portrayed as the stereotype. So it would be okay in your mind for Bioware to make a black hero in the next game that likes fried chicken and watermelon and looks like Chicken George to you? While that's not all of the race to be that way there are some who are. Does that make it right for Bioware to be that way?

Why stop there? Next it'll be jew stereotype. Then what's next for Bioware?"

All I can say to that is that you must have a differant idea of the stereotype than I do, because I really didnt see it.

Really? Fried chicken and watermelon? Who doesn't like fried chicken and watermelon? The topic is about sexual preference. Please, if you're going to bring race into it for shock value,at least pick a more creative strereotype. 

And who the hell is Chicken George?

You never watched Roots?

[The Angry One]

thurmanator692 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Listen, you can argue that the dialog is at times simplistic, you think there are options missing or that there's no good way to RP a given situation and you may be right.
But this is a general issue and has absolutely nothing to do with the character's bisexuality, stereotypes or anything like that.

...wait, can you dig pigeonholes?

Peck, maybe?

wait, are you saying this in regaurd to what i said? I've got no problem with the sexuality of any character, as i said before, Anders did pretty much what i'd do. I was more trying to argue bioware's position that bi characters are a good idea. I apologize for not being very good at sharing thoughts without getting off topic

I meant that as a general statement, to make it clear that I appreciate how dialog options are sometimes limited (I prefer how it was in DA:O to be honest) but that some people are intent on viewing this as a problem with bisexuality/stereotypes, this part not being directed at you.

okay, just checking. pissing you off sounds like a distinctly bad idea

WHO TOLD YO..
I mean, whatever makes you think that dear sir.

[sheppard7]

xenoprobe wrote...

Fluffykeith wrote...

"He's portrayed as the stereotype. So it would be okay in your mind for Bioware to make a black hero in the next game that likes fried chicken and watermelon and looks like Chicken George to you? While that's not all of the race to be that way there are some who are. Does that make it right for Bioware to be that way?

Why stop there? Next it'll be jew stereotype. Then what's next for Bioware?"

All I can say to that is that you must have a differant idea of the stereotype than I do, because I really didnt see it.

Really? Fried chicken and watermelon? Who doesn't like fried chicken and watermelon? The topic is about sexual preference. Please, if you're going to bring race into it for shock value, at least pick a more creative strereotype. 

It's also showing how Bioware didn't really work on it and just used what is old-fashioned ideals in creating aspects of this.

[Fluffykeith]

Just to be totally clear, I didn't bring race into it. I was responding to the guy that did...personally I couldn't disagree with him more on this issue.

My post was simply to state that I saw nothing inherantly stereotype about Anders behaviour. He made a pass, big deal. People in real life do it all the time.

On the idea of a slider during character creation...it might work, but they'd need to ne real careful how they implimented it. The media gets wound up about the idea of sexuality in games as it is...

[Clover Rider]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Torchwood went the same route with providing a cast of bisexuals, and they pulled it off fairly well. I felt the characters were really good, and they're a big reason why I enjoyed DA2. I think having romances available for both orientations was good, because we don't have to reload and play as a gender we don't want to simply to romance a character we like. And we had straight characters like Aveline and Varric (which I'm basing on his "exaggeration" of Bethany in the initial story), after all.

Doesn't DA2 have a transgender character "working" in Kirkwall?

Old post but I want to say Torchwood had 2 bisexuals Jack and Thshiko.

Ianto only liked Jack it was not a guy thing for him just it's okay if it's you thing as for Owen and Gwen lol no not bi at all.

This ends my random post that was not random:whistle:.

Modifié par Some Geth, 28 mars 2011 - 12:36 .

[skippy1776]

Hehe... this seems to prove that whether you stick up for homosexual or heterosexual prepared to get destroyed by some part of the community...

[Clover Rider]

skippy1776 wrote...

Hehe... this seems to prove that whether you stick up for homosexual or heterosexual prepared to get destroyed by some part of the community...

What if I stick up for both=].

[skippy1776]

Some Geth wrote...

skippy1776 wrote...

Hehe... this seems to prove that whether you stick up for homosexual or heterosexual prepared to get destroyed by some part of the community...

What if I stick up for both=].

     touche, you figured out the riddle. I am a hetersexual Christian male, and honestly i look at this whole homosexual debate and say who cares... Yes I do not support homosexuality, but by no way am i going to degrade those who are or are accepting of homosexual. (side note: one of my Best friends is gay)
     On top of that, guys this is a game... A GAME... lets get over ourselves, anyways the best way to get your point across on a game is with your wallet not your mouth.