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[Maria Caliban]

My second play through the other night, held off on All that Remains as long as possible. Was suitably anxious coming into the quest. I brought along Varric, Isabela, and Merrill.

And they start cracking jokes.

I'm not talking about regular banter, but little cutscenes as we head through the foundry.

Seriously? My mother has been kidnapped by a serial killing and these guys are being funny?

Okay, Merrill I understand, as her joke ('Ooooh, that's a pretty shrine.') can be written off as a momentary lapse in situational awareness, but it seemed out of character for the other two to be that inconsiderate of Hawke's feelings.

[LobselVith8]

Reminds me of when characters decide to discuss things right when we are going to engage in a fight to the death. I heard someone make a skmilar complaint about Merrill having a discuss right after the Dalish clan was wiped out that completely ignored their deaths. Would taking the blood magic ritual route have avoided that banter?

[Statulos]

I did the quest with Aveline instead of Isabela and as you can imagine, she was serious and respectful (nothing new).

I don´t think Merrill is trying to joke, I think she´s simply not really aware of the very serious crap Hawke is facing. I really haven´t found many moments were Merrill tries to joke on purpose.

LobselVith8 wrote...

Reminds me of when characters decide
to discuss things right when we are going to engage in a fight to the
death. I heard someone make a skmilar complaint about Merrill having a
discuss right after the Dalish clan was wiped out that completely
ignored their deaths. Would taking the blood magic ritual route have
avoided that banter?

She does react, but it´s brutally bugged and it´s one of those that ****ed up the whole narration for me.

Modifié par Statulos, 26 mars 2011 - 08:41 .

[Nodscouter]

Varric and Isabela cracking jokes and being untactful? Never heard of that before.
Seriously though, is it that bad? I haven't taken them there yet, so I wouldn't know, what exactly do they say?

Modifié par Nodscouter, 26 mars 2011 - 08:41 .

[The Baconer]

I'm more angry that we find notes from Orsino in the murderer's hideout and we don't have an option to confront him.

[Maria Caliban]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Reminds me of when characters decide to discuss things right when we are going to engage in a fight to the death. I heard someone make a skmilar complaint about Merrill having a discuss right after the Dalish clan was wiped out that completely ignored their deaths. Would taking the blood magic ritual route have avoided that banter?

The Merrill conversations are bugged. After I killed everyone in her clan, we returned to Sundermount and she complained about them all still being there after 6 years. At the beginning of Act 3, I went into her house and she was sobbing over their deaths.

Actually, when you do Merrill's last quest, the companion banters going up Sundermount are all touching. It's obvious they're afraid of losing her. It adds to the mood instead of contrasting uncomfortably with it.

Nodscouter wrote...

Varric and Isabela cracking jokes and being untactful? Never heard of that before.

I have no problem with Isabela making an apostitutes joke after I slit the throat of the Exotic Wonder from the East. We kill blood mages all the time.

My problem is --
1. It hurts the mood. It's difficult to remain emotionally engaged when my companions are cracking jokes.
2. Sure, they make jokes, but I have trouble seeing them as making jokes in this particular situation.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 26 mars 2011 - 08:48 .

[swirlwind]

Anders also says something like "Wonder if we'll find more than a bag of bones this time", which felt woefully inappropriate when looking for my PC's mum... Kinda wanted to tell him to shut up.

[leggywillow]

swirlwind wrote...

Anders also says something like "Wonder if we'll find more than a bag of bones this time", which felt woefully inappropriate when looking for my PC's mum... Kinda wanted to tell him to shut up.

LOL, I know.  I could only imagine the slow death glare Hawke gave him at that point.

"Yeah.  Yeah, I do hope we find more.  Like maybe my kidnapped mother, alive and unharmed.  Or did you forget that part?!"

[AngelicMachinery]

Fenris or Aveline aren't mood breakers... the rest not so much.

[sammcl]

I just finished it with Varric and Isabela actually, I think one of them joked about the trapdoor but I didn't notice anything horribly inappropriate for that context, it could be that I just wasn't looking for it.

[Arppis]

Maria Caliban wrote...

My second play through the other night, held off on All that Remains as long as possible. Was suitably anxious coming into the quest. I brought along Varric, Isabela, and Merrill.

And they start cracking jokes.

I'm not talking about regular banter, but little cutscenes as we head through the foundry.

Seriously? My mother has been kidnapped by a serial killing and these guys are being funny?

Okay, Merrill I understand, as her joke ('Ooooh, that's a pretty shrine.') can be written off as a momentary lapse in situational awareness, but it seemed out of character for the other two to be that inconsiderate of Hawke's feelings.

"Well, atleast nothing worse can happen today. It's pretty late!"

[Esbatty]

I felt Izzy and Varric were trying to keep things upbeat, because Hawke has a tendency to luck out and arrive "just in time". But when all was said and done it wasll "You bastards who could you - ugh." Emotionally defeated. I HATE that questline so much especially knowing what happens. Ugh. I wish just once... just once I could save her. Just once. *sigh*

[Cuthlan]

Filament wrote...

It could have been nice to have Hawke auto-dialog based on his dominant tone, basically telling them to shut the hell up. I think this would be a reasonable response regardless of tone, in this particular situation.

I agree.

I got pretty pissed off when Anders piped up with "I wonder if we'll find more than a bag of body part this time?" in a humorous tone.

[sylvanaerie]

my usual group was Fenris, Aveline and Varric (with a mage Hawke). Of the three, only Varric has a lighter moment when he kills Gascard DuPuis (that name alone makes me giggle). So immersion hasn't broken for me there. This game I am taking around Aveline, Varric (those are my go to group core) and Merrill. I get the feeling Merrill isn't so much a joker as just horribly socially handicapped due to her isolated (even for a Dalish) upbringing.

[The Cannibal Factory]

If you think that's weird, I find that when Anders is in the Fade and Justice has supposedly taken over... I still get Anders making comments and his usual battlecries in his normal voice. Rather offputting and immersion-breaking.

And I can also summon my dog. Into the Fade. INTO THE FADE.

*sigh*

[Lithuasil]

Given my usual setup (Fenris/Anders/Merill) I haven't noticed that too much (though the "sack of bones" comment was kind of dickish). If they actually crack jokes, I definitely agree.
On that note, can I please have a "swift kick to the balls" renegade interrupt for carvers "and last time trouble came after you, it found mother"? :|

[MoogleNut]

Another case of me forgetting to write down where I've read stuff ; but originally you could save Mummy Hawke.
Blame the testers, apparently they all felt they'd failed the quest if she ended up dying so they changed it so that no matter what you do she dies.
I still can't decide if that was a genius move or just plain evil - a bit of both methinks ^^

As for the joking around, I always have Merrill and Isabela with me, the last party member depending on my mood at the time. I just took it as Isabela trying to lighten the mood and Merril being, well, Merrill.

[Lirea Dragonage]

The only time that springs to mind is when I did a quest in Act 1 (about Ninette being kidnapped and killed by the man who later kills your Mother). Upon finding the bag of bones along with a severed hand with a ring on it Varric asks me if he may have the ring and Isabela makes a joke about "needing a hand" after which my Hawke said, in a desperately sad voice, that it means Ninette must be dead and the ring should be returned to her husband.
I mean I love Isabela and Varric but come ON. We just found the remains of a brutally murdered woman. Ok so we loot corpses all the time ... ahem .... but I felt they were rather tactless in that moment.

[Aynslie]

leggywillow wrote...

swirlwind wrote...

Anders also says something like "Wonder if we'll find more than a bag of bones this time", which felt woefully inappropriate when looking for my PC's mum... Kinda wanted to tell him to shut up.

LOL, I know.  I could only imagine the slow death glare Hawke gave him at that point.

"Yeah.  Yeah, I do hope we find more.  Like maybe my kidnapped mother, alive and unharmed.  Or did you forget that part?!"

Right!  Where was the "Smack him" option at this point.  Aren't these suppose to be Hawke's friends for 3 years by this point?  I would have liked to have heard "don't worry we'll find her."  or  "Just wait until we get our hands on the bastard Hawke."  A "noone takes Leandra and gets away with it!" would have been nice.  The jokes mess up the seriousness and the emotional weight of the situation.

[Aynslie]

Lithuasil wrote...

On that note, can I please have a "swift kick to the balls" renegade interrupt for carvers "and last time trouble came after you, it found mother"? :|

That's just mean.  Carver is definitely in the running for Number One ***hole in DA2!  

Modifié par Aynslie, 27 mars 2011 - 03:42 .

[Raygereio]

Maria Caliban wrote...
My problem is --
1. It hurts the mood. It's difficult to remain emotionally engaged when my companions are cracking jokes.
2. Sure, they make jokes, but I have trouble seeing them as making jokes in this particular situation.

I agree. Whoever wrote the companion dialogue for that mission probably heard that mommy Hawke was turned into Frankenstein's Monster, and then just decided to go roll out with some jokes, because it's not like this quest is salvageable with decent companion dialogue with a pay-off like that.

Though these things can also happen semi-unintentionally; during the combat with that blood mage at the end of the quest I've had Isabella using her "I'll make you cry for your mother" combat taunt. classy, Bella, really classy.

Modifié par Raygereio, 27 mars 2011 - 03:51 .

[Haasth]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Reminds me of when characters decide to discuss things right when we are going to engage in a fight to the death. I heard someone make a skmilar complaint about Merrill having a discuss right after the Dalish clan was wiped out that completely ignored their deaths. Would taking the blood magic ritual route have avoided that banter?

...Oh yes, I had something like that. When Merrill was all upset, I managed to talk the Dalish out of attacking us.. And the moment we get out of the camp she just goes on about Fenris and his sister. I mean, what? 

Sadly that's just one of the flaws in the way the game is made... Although sometimes funny, it tends to throw you out of the story every now and then annoyingly enough. 

Modifié par Haasth, 27 mars 2011 - 04:08 .

[Greta13]

Haasth wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Reminds me of when characters decide to discuss things right when we are going to engage in a fight to the death. I heard someone make a skmilar complaint about Merrill having a discuss right after the Dalish clan was wiped out that completely ignored their deaths. Would taking the blood magic ritual route have avoided that banter?

...Oh yes, I had something like that. When Merrill was all upset, I managed to talk the Dalish out of attacking us.. And the moment we get out of the camp she just goes on about Fenris and his sister. I mean, what? 

Sadly that's just one of the flaws in the way the game is made... Although sometimes funny, it tends to throw you out of the story every now and then annoyingly enough. 

What do you say to stop the Dalish from attacking you?