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[HieOapeen]

No offense intended, but if bioware/ea don't apologize for DA2 then people are going to think they will continue with this horrible mess and carry it into DA3.

No one wants another DA2, except maybe less than 1%. The rest of the 99% want DA3 to be done right.

[Persephone]

Bioware/EA "must" not do anything. Egads, the hyperbole!

[BeefoTheBold]

I'm not thinking a formal apology is needed, but I'd love to see some hinting that they're hearing and internalizing the feedback in the interviews I read.

When I read Laidlaw's interviews I come away with an overwhelming impression he's thinking, "The critics and gamers who don't like my game can go **** themselves. I'm rescuing their dying genre and (Arishok voice) THEY SHOULD BE GRATEFUL!"

Laidlaw doesn't seem to think he made any mistakes in making this game and his interviews all seem to say, "We made the right call, but people just don't get it. So we'll release another few games like this until they understand we're doing the right thing!"

Modifié par BeefoTheBold, 26 mars 2011 - 09:14 .

[C9316]

And the entitlement appears once again.Bioware/EA doesn't have to do anything.

[Persephone]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

I'm not thinking a formal apology is needed, but I'd love to see some hinting that they're hearing and internalizing the feedback in the interviews I read.

When I read Laidlaw's interviews I come away with an overwhelming impression he's thinking, "The critics and gamers who don't like my game can go **** themselves. I'm rescuing their dying genre and (Arishok voice) THEY SHOULD BE GRATEFUL!"

Laidlaw doesn't seem to think he made any mistakes in making this game and his interviews all seem to say, "We made the right call, but people just don't get it. So we'll release another few games like this until they understand we're doing the right thing!"

While I understand you there, I also saw him saying that they are collecting fan feedback on the forums and from user reviews to work with. I do hope that's true and not an empty promise.

[dheer]

They don't need to apologize for anything.

I do look forward to the day, when previewing DA3, the next lead developer trashes DA2 like Laidlaw does DA:O though. That'll be fun.

Modifié par dheer, 26 mars 2011 - 09:19 .

[rebel5555]

So far I like DA2. The only complaint i have is the inability to switch weapons like DAO

[CRISIS1717]

HieOapeen wrote...

No offense intended, but if bioware/ea don't apologize for DA2 then people are going to think they will continue with this horrible mess and carry it into DA3.

No one wants another DA2, except maybe less than 1%. The rest of the 99% want DA3 to be done right.

I totally agree with you OP, I want them to distribute a signed apology letter with the signature of Mike Laidlaw and David Gaider and their admissal that they not only failed their fans they failed the Bioware name and ethos.

[rebel5555]

Sorry for the double post

Modifié par rebel5555, 26 mars 2011 - 09:21 .

[orbit991]

Yea they don't need to do it and they wont acknowledge problems with the game as they are still trying to sell as many copies as possible. Once DA3 is close to release you will get something along the lines of we noticed that some were not happy with so and so changes and....more PR blah blah

[Serpieri Nei]

Don't want an apology - want an enhanced version at no cost that addressed all the issues.

[Lithuasil]

BeefoTheBold wrote...
Laidlaw doesn't seem to think he made any mistakes in making this game and his interviews all seem to say, "We made the right call, but people just don't get it. So we'll release another few games like this until they understand we're doing the right thing!"

As rushed out as the third act was, as recycled as the environments were - at least in regards to some of the mayor criticism that is issued, that statement is pretty much spot on.

[BeefoTheBold]

Persephone wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

I'm not thinking a formal apology is needed, but I'd love to see some hinting that they're hearing and internalizing the feedback in the interviews I read.

When I read Laidlaw's interviews I come away with an overwhelming impression he's thinking, "The critics and gamers who don't like my game can go **** themselves. I'm rescuing their dying genre and (Arishok voice) THEY SHOULD BE GRATEFUL!"

Laidlaw doesn't seem to think he made any mistakes in making this game and his interviews all seem to say, "We made the right call, but people just don't get it. So we'll release another few games like this until they understand we're doing the right thing!"

While I understand you there, I also saw him saying that they are collecting fan feedback on the forums and from user reviews to work with. I do hope that's true and not an empty promise.

I hope you're right. It's entirely possible that his interviews come across the way that they do because he doesn't want to hurt the game's sales by admitting publicly what the feedback is telling him.

I'm very much hoping that is the case. If it is, then he may very well be defending the game publicly while admitting privately that they need to scale back/remove some of the changes that they tried out in DA2.

It is difficult to say for certain if his public statements are what he truly believes (very bad thing IMO) or if he's just saying them for the sake of the sales of the current game. (Entirely understandable.)

I'd like to think that you don't get to his level in a company without being able to read between the lines, and the fact that he's being forced to do the interviews at all should be clue enough that the game isn't getting the reception that he may have hoped for, which would cause a humble man to reevaluate his decisions in the next release.

Time will tell.

[orbit991]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Don't want an apology - want an enhanced version at no cost that addressed all the issues.

Heh this is not CD project, EA would never do this, well if they did it would be $19.95.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Bioware doesn't have to do anything. It's not like a truck filled with their DVDs intentionally crushed school children crossing a street.

And any company worth their salt should make every release as a standalone attempt to make a good game, or make a game better if part of a series. I personally think DA 2 went in a terrible direction in quite a few ways, but hopefully Bioware will regroup for DA 3. If not, I won't lose any sleep and I'm certainly not wanting or waiting for an apology. From my viewpoint they wasted their time, not mine.

Modifié par Ryllen Laerth Kriel, 26 mars 2011 - 09:24 .

[Persephone]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

HieOapeen wrote...

No offense intended, but if bioware/ea don't apologize for DA2 then people are going to think they will continue with this horrible mess and carry it into DA3.

No one wants another DA2, except maybe less than 1%. The rest of the 99% want DA3 to be done right.

I totally agree with you OP, I want them to distribute a signed apology letter with the signature of Mike Laidlaw and David Gaider and their admissal that they not only failed their fans they failed the Bioware name and ethos.

Dream on. Sorry but that's just delusional.

[Sapphira]

LOOKS LIKE YOUR TRYING TO SEE HOW MANY DELETES OR LOCKDOWNS YOU CAN GET TODAY WOOOOOOWEEE I WILL HELLP LOLOLOLOLOL

[truestatic]

You must apologize for this thread or I lose my faith in humanity.

EDIT:  Frisbee Seppuku is real ultimate power.

Modifié par truestatic, 26 mars 2011 - 09:25 .

[Persephone]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

I'm not thinking a formal apology is needed, but I'd love to see some hinting that they're hearing and internalizing the feedback in the interviews I read.

When I read Laidlaw's interviews I come away with an overwhelming impression he's thinking, "The critics and gamers who don't like my game can go **** themselves. I'm rescuing their dying genre and (Arishok voice) THEY SHOULD BE GRATEFUL!"

Laidlaw doesn't seem to think he made any mistakes in making this game and his interviews all seem to say, "We made the right call, but people just don't get it. So we'll release another few games like this until they understand we're doing the right thing!"

While I understand you there, I also saw him saying that they are collecting fan feedback on the forums and from user reviews to work with. I do hope that's true and not an empty promise.

I hope you're right. It's entirely possible that his interviews come across the way that they do because he doesn't want to hurt the game's sales by admitting publicly what the feedback is telling him.

I'm very much hoping that is the case. If it is, then he may very well be defending the game publicly while admitting privately that they need to scale back/remove some of the changes that they tried out in DA2.

It is difficult to say for certain if his public statements are what he truly believes (very bad thing IMO) or if he's just saying them for the sake of the sales of the current game. (Entirely understandable.)

I'd like to think that you don't get to his level in a company without being able to read between the lines, and the fact that he's being forced to do the interviews at all should be clue enough that the game isn't getting the reception that he may have hoped for, which would cause a humble man to reevaluate his decisions in the next release.

Time will tell.

Exactly. I loved DA2 a lot. But I do hope Bioware will see that it has some issues that need to be ironed out. And quickly. Put the best of both titles into DA3, that's what I'd like. (Just my opinion)

[Gamepro4life]

C9316 wrote...

And the entitlement appears once again.Bioware/EA doesn't have to do anything.

They will sell more games giving the players what they want and/or ask for. 

[Taltherion]

They don't have to do anything (just as we don't have to buy their next game). Apologizing would also be a slap in the face for those who like the game.
I'd be content with a clear promise that DA3 will be more like DAO and the fullfillment of that promise.

[Teddie Sage]

They don't have to apologize. They NEVER advertized this game as Dragon Age: Origins 2.

[Otterwarden]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Bioware doesn't have to do anything. It's not like a truck filled with their DVDs intentionally crushed school children crossing a street.

And any company worth their salt should make every release as a standalone attempt to make a good game, or make a game better if part of a series. I personally think DA 2 went in a terrible direction in quite a few ways, but hopefully Bioware will regroup for DA 3. If not, I won't lose any sleep and I'm certainly not wanting or waiting for an apology. From my viewpoint they wasted their time, not mine.

Well said.  They've more on the table than any of us in this poker game.

[Selene Moonsong]

Seems to me that BioWare listens and reacts to the fans to give players what they want too easily at times. The very things that I have seen included in DA II are some of the very same things fans have been clamoring for at various times.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 26 mars 2011 - 09:33 .

[Persephone]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Seems to me that BioWare listens and reacts to the fans to give players what they want too easily at times. The very things that I have seen included in DA II are some of the same things fans have been clamoring for at various times.

Good point. I still remember the "Please make all LIs bi this time" threads.