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[Russalka]

Dragon Age 2 was nowhere near the awfulness of Batman & Robin though. Apologising now would cause losses in sales too.

EDIT: I have yet to reach Mostly Harmless though with my reading.

Modifié par Russalka, 28 mars 2011 - 10:58 .

[aftohsix]

I think I'd rather have them spend time on patches, good DLC, trying to glean what positive feedback they can from this cesspool and pouring their hard work into more fantastic games than waste their time apologizing to a very vocal, entitled minority.

[didymos1120]

Russalka wrote...

Dragon Age 2 was nowhere near the awfulness of Batman & Robin though.

Well, yeah, obviously.  There's no "Hawke Credit Card" in DA2.  And I'm not actually arguing for the "must apologize" side.  I'm just saying it has happened with books and films on occasion. 

[AcidRelic]

HieOapeen wrote...

No offense intended, but if bioware/ea don't apologize for DA2 then people are going to think they will continue with this horrible mess and carry it into DA3.

No one wants another DA2, except maybe less than 1%. The rest of the 99% want DA3 to be done right.

Where did you get your survey and when did you take it?

Please don't spout your opinion like it is fact.

I would guess just by reading the forums its maybe 40% for DA3 like DA2 60% not. Now you still have to account for what they would like the same and what they wouldn't like the same.

I would guess that only about 2-4% would hate EVERYTHING about DA 2. The rest would just want some changes, yeah some might be bigger changes and some smaller but it is still going off a DA2 base.

[AcidRelic]

sorry DP

Modifié par AcidRelic, 28 mars 2011 - 11:10 .

[DomiiMai]

Don't apologize!

Thank you for a wonderful game!
Just spend some more time on it next time.

[Jerrybnsn]

They lost me with all their low quality dlc last year. I decided to wait for the reviews on the DA2, and, well,they're in and they're not pretty. I won't even buy this game when it comes out next January in it's gold edition with all it's dlc for $60. Besides once Skyrim comes out in november, I'll be busy for the next six months.

I have pre-ordered ME3 though. The ME3 team hasn't let anybody down yet..

[wildannie]

To imagine that Bioware owes anyone an apology for DA2 is quite insane, if anything it's some of the 'fans' that owe Bioware an apology for the hate campaign that has flooded forums since release... it's pathetic.

Okay, so it's not what some hoped, and sure, it does have it's faults but much of the criticism has gone way too far...

edit:

@jerrybsn - that choice may well be your loss, it's not as bad as some would have you believe, I'm enjoying it, and so are many others.

Modifié par wildannie, 28 mars 2011 - 11:24 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

They lost me with all their low quality dlc last year. I decided to wait for the reviews on the DA2, and, well,they're in and they're not pretty. I won't even buy this game when it comes out next January in it's gold edition with all it's dlc for $60. Besides once Skyrim comes out in november, I'll be busy for the next six months.

I have pre-ordered ME3 though. The ME3 team hasn't let anybody down yet..

Don't even get me started on that. Have you played LoTSB? Yeah the story was pretty good, but it was mostly combat, and 99% automatic dialogue. They might as well call ME2 what it is - a shooter. Cause it sure isn't an RPG any time they've stripped out the inventory, exploration, and dumbed down the dialogue choices significantly.

-Polite

[Jaron Oberyn]

wildannie wrote...

To imagine that Bioware owes anyone an apology for DA2 is quite insane, if anything it's some of the 'fans' that owe Bioware an apology for the hate campaign that has flooded forums since release... it's pathetic.

Okay, so it's not what some hoped, and sure, it does have it's faults but much of the criticism has gone way too far...

Sorry, but you're wrong. Bioware is a producer. The job of the producer is to satisfy their consumer base with their product. Bioware failed to do so. Thus the consumer base is angry at Bioware. Bioware does owe us an apology because they were staking their reputation and DA:O on DA2, which is one of the most linear, RPG-less games they've done since ME2. I'm quite glad people are aggressively criticizing them, because it's what they need. Ever since going to EA they've become lazy. They don't put as much quality and effort as they used to, and it really shows in the final product. It's tough love. They'll thank us later, if they end up heeding what the fans are saying. 

-Polite

[Jerrybnsn]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

They lost me with all their low quality dlc last year. I decided to wait for the reviews on the DA2, and, well,they're in and they're not pretty. I won't even buy this game when it comes out next January in it's gold edition with all it's dlc for $60. Besides once Skyrim comes out in november, I'll be busy for the next six months.

I have pre-ordered ME3 though. The ME3 team hasn't let anybody down yet..

Don't even get me started on that. Have you played LoTSB? Yeah the story was pretty good, but it was mostly combat, and 99% automatic dialogue. They might as well call ME2 what it is - a shooter. Cause it sure isn't an RPG any time they've stripped out the inventory, exploration, and dumbed down the dialogue choices significantly.

-Polite

Mass Effect is a very good game for what it is.  It's an inter-active cinematic experience.  I played ME1 on PC and for a shooter game is was bad.  That's one thing they improved on with with ME2.  But as far as other shooter games out there ME2 still isn't on par with the best.  I loved my first ME2 ending, because I wasn't sure how to keep the whole squad alive.  I lost two.  I played it a second time and found myself bored.  I can't imagine playing it a third time.

[Deified Data]

HieOapeen wrote...

No offense intended, but if bioware/ea don't apologize for DA2 then people are going to think they will continue with this horrible mess and carry it into DA3.

No one wants another DA2, except maybe less than 1%. The rest of the 99% want DA3 to be done right.

Oh, the entitlement. Bioware doesn't have to do ****. DAIII is going to be a day 1 pre-order for me.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I can't play ME2 and take it seriously as an rpg. It's really a shooter with some rpg elements sprinkled in. I'm not complaining, but don't go calling a duck an eagle when it looks like a duck. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck. ME1 was more RPG. Some people didn't like the combat of the first game, but I actually loved it. It was unique in my opinion. But just as ME2, I can't play DA2 more than 2-3 times.

-Polite

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 28 mars 2011 - 11:32 .

[Morroian]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Sorry, but you're wrong. Bioware is a producer. The job of the producer is to satisfy their consumer base with their product. Bioware failed to do so. Thus the consumer base is angry at Bioware. 

Being angry at Bioware for producing a game different to their expectations in no ways means Bioware owes anyone an apology.

[wildannie]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

wildannie wrote...

To imagine that Bioware owes anyone an apology for DA2 is quite insane, if anything it's some of the 'fans' that owe Bioware an apology for the hate campaign that has flooded forums since release... it's pathetic.

Okay, so it's not what some hoped, and sure, it does have it's faults but much of the criticism has gone way too far...

Sorry, but you're wrong. Bioware is a producer. The job of the producer is to satisfy their consumer base with their product. Bioware failed to do so. Thus the consumer base is angry at Bioware. Bioware does owe us an apology because they were staking their reputation and DA:O on DA2, which is one of the most linear, RPG-less games they've done since ME2. I'm quite glad people are aggressively criticizing them, because it's what they need. Ever since going to EA they've become lazy. They don't put as much quality and effort as they used to, and it really shows in the final product. It's tough love. They'll thank us later, if they end up heeding what the fans are saying. 

-Polite

Sorry Polite, but I really think that you are wrong, and not all of the consumer base is 'angry'.  Out of 10 I would not rate the game a 9, which is what I expect from Bioware, but it's sure not a 1-5 and to rate it as that is not 'tough love'... it's bunny boiling. 

6-8 I can't argue with (although for me it's an 8) and such scores are not ones Bioware are going to be happy with, and I'm sure that they will be looking at what was liked/disliked going forward.

Maybe I'm soft, but I'm quite sure that the developers are sorry that there has been so much hate, it must be a real downer for them.  I just wish fans would show more objectivity and respect when giving their critique of the game.

[Jerrybnsn]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I can't play ME2 and take it seriously as an rpg. It's really a shooter with some rpg elements sprinkled in. I'm not complaining, but don't go calling a duck an eagle when it looks like a duck. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck. ME1 was more RPG. Some people didn't like the combat of the first game, but I actually loved it. It was unique in my opinion. But just as ME2, I can't play DA2 more than 2-3 times.

-Polite

I agree.  I can't understand how Gameinformer named it RPG of the year.  It'll never be an RPG game to me.  For me, using the mouse in ME1 I often would be failing me arms and legs over my desk trying to shoot.  That's why I like it much better on my PS3 where I can can toggle with my thumb and squeeze R1 with my finger.  All in a comfy chair with my feet kicked up.

[The_FenixV]

Apologize? Why do they need to apologize? Some people loved it, others didn't, from what I've seen the people who disliked the game are trying to force their views on others so they'll just hate the game. The only apologize that Bioware should do, is that the E3 demo of Mass Effect 1 looked better than the actual game. Playing the first Mass Effect I remember going "Huh guess the Alliance loves Swimming suits. And Sovereing is like "Saren dear chap, tell Commander Shepard will wait for him before commencing our hostile take over. Yes tell him he can dilly dally in the galaxy, visit boring planets that look all the same except with the addition of different colors and thresher maws. Yes yes that's right. Don't give them a time limit either we'll just wait cause we are bad guys."

[Lord_Valandil]

Teddie Sage wrote...

They don't have to apologize. They NEVER advertized this game as Dragon Age: Origins 2.

Hahaha, that excuse is so funny.
So, where's Dragon Age I, hmmm?

[AtomicAaron]

An apology doesn't do me any good, though I would definitely appreciate the gesture.

No, what I really want to see is a patch. The game isn't awful. It's not great, either, and it certainly isn't up to Bioware's pedigree, but it can be enjoyed with the right mindset...until you start hitting immersion-breaking bugs. Companion quests breaking, that sort of thing.

Now if Bioware wants to earn my trust back as a long-time consumer and wants me to risk a full-price, day one purchase of their next game then they need to get a patch out fast and prove to me that waiting until the game drops to half-price and has been patched (probably unofficially, by the community) to be playable wasn't the decision I should have made - and will make next time.

[DomiiMai]

I'm telling you, fights like this reminds me of Final Fantasy VII and VIII.
Some people hate it and millions love it. It's a debatable subject really.

All in all, Bioware has nothing to apologize about.
Haters are just going to spam hate just to deny the truth about the game.
And that truth is that its a great game. Just accept it people. Nothing is going to change.
In time, they'll make more great stuff to add to DAII and III.

[Alpr]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

It's like Bioware has slapped all their hardcore fans in the face, they owe us an apology otherwise even more gamers will leave the forums and stop buying Bioware games.

omg yes please leave the forums.

[Purgatious]

Square enix applogised for FFXIII online. A company should have to take responsibility for its actions, more so when those actions go against the very people who put them where they are now. We don't owe them for making games, they owe US for buying them and being loyal, and they took advantage of that fact to produce a bad game and ride their good name to make sales.

Perhaps when the sales die of DA2 they will, to earn back some respect. There are many other companies out there showing both respect for their IPs and their fans, none of which belong to EA (yes Belong). EAs already shown it can kill an IP as old as C&C, even with their hardcore fanbase, in the name of a quick buck, even though a decent game will sell more.

[Krimson_Wolf]

Bioware needs not apologize for ****! If the flaming fan boys want to **** let them but Bioware don't give in. It was a great game.

[Lord_Valandil]

DomiiMai wrote...
And that truth is that its a bad game. Just accept it people. Nothing is going to change.

Fixed.
And also...I don't want them to apologize, or to cry, or to make promises.
No.
It would be nice if they acknowledge their mistakes and that the game is flawed, and not "the best RPG in ten years, a masterpiece, blahblahblah". Only the fanboys and themselves believe that.

Also...my fix is kind of a joke. I don't want to impose my opinion over yours, the same way you shouldn't impose yours. I don't think it's a good game, I'll never accept such thing.
Perhaps you're conformists. I demand a better game. Polished, awesome, and certainly not bugged and broken.

Let's see if the DLC can change my mind. I doubt it, though.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 29 mars 2011 - 12:35 .

[HawXV2]

Apologize for making another great game? WHY?!!?