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[molbani]

lol apologizing for what? makeing a good game.../facepalm

i get that people loved DA:O for its classic RPG feel, but this is just......wow...

[LightningSamus]

No.

[CRISIS1717]

They should apologise to their hardcore fans who never wanted this awful Dynasty Warriors sequel.

[H1natachan]

In a perfect world yeah they'd apologise, unfortunately i cant see that happening as it'll be corporate suicide to do so.
Was fooled once, but wont be fooled again.

[combineelite]

NO NO AND NO

PC

[aftohsix]

HieOapeen wrote...

No offense intended, but if bioware/ea don't apologize for DA2 then people are going to think they will continue with this horrible mess and carry it into DA3.

No one wants another DA2, except maybe less than 1%. The rest of the 99% want DA3 to be done right.

Bioware Social Network Users <> 99% of Dragon Age 2 users.

But keep telling yourself that.  Hey you know what would be a riot?  If you started a thread about how Dragon Age 2 sucks?  AMIRITE?!

[DarthKaldriss]

Monica83 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

*shakes her head* poor humanity

Yes. Poor, poor humanity because they liked a video game that you didn't. A travesty I tell ya.

ewwww its not that i dont like the game... the fact its mass effect its bown in that way in fact i don't go in mass effect forum to complain... If you take a game with his own identity and begins to cut out features only to add 1 or 2 features.. You make a disaster...

In fact the game its rushed... suffer of a big lack of immersion... Many events are bland told... Recycling areas... Staticness in evrything...Ennemy ninjas.... Manga animations... Full of bug... Nice textures but lack of detail... 10 areas all empty....

Sorry but if you keep to say this is a nice game... you must be blind....

Im am more inteligent than others? No *diplomatic button!*

But my intellect suggested me to avoid payng bucks to puchase a streamlized game rushed and full off letdown!*sarcastic button*

               So then because *you* did'nt like the game those who do are blind. Damn whats the weather like in your own little world you seem to live in where your the center of the universe eh ?

[AlanC9]

Maria Caliban wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Also, Bio may have run up against the limits of a data-driven approach to product design. Someone else on the board said that DA2 is the New Coke of RPGs. The important thing about that metaphor is that techniques like focus groups can't tell you some important things about your product and its fans. Even Coke fans liked the taste of New Coke better than Coke.

The correlations between New Coke and DA II are interesting.

1. New Coke was not born of focus testing, but by ignoring focus testing. In surveys, people were generally positive about New Coke. In focus testing, people were generally positive but about 10% of people hated the idea of Coke changing. That 10% of people would often convince the other participants that the drink they liked shouldn't be Coke because Coke shouldn't change.

When New Coke was released, the same thing happened. People liked it, but a vocal minority hated it, and they convinced people that Coke shouldn't change. Eventually, the company brought back classic Coke.

2. New Coke came about because Coke was losing market share to Pepsi, which was sweeter. The new formula was much, much sweeter than original Coke to reflect changes in demographics and taste.

After Coke classic returned, however, the company continued to sweeten it. In fact, if you buy a bottle of Coke classic today, you'll get something sweeter than the original Coke formula and sweeter than New Coke. They simply haven't marketed the changes.

Thanks, Maria. I never heard about point 1 at all. I kind of suspected they'd kept changing the formula, but I don't drink enough cola to really know.

You think DA2 would have been received better if they hadn't talked about the changes so much?

In my earlier post I missed one category of DA2 changes: changes that prevented penalizing the console players for the sake of PC players. The iso camera forced area design compromises which hurt everyone alike, but only PC players got the benefit of the iso camera. Since PC players are a minority, it's understandable that this wasn't seen as worth it.

[Killer3000ad]

They can't apologize. It'd be the equivalent of the Arishok saying,"I like kittens."

[MrTijger]

Oh ye gods, how much entitlement can one forum bear? Apologize? Seriously? *shakes head*

What-ever.

[MSparkyPants]

"No one wants another DA2, except maybe less than 1%. The rest of the 99% want DA3 to be done right."
Hmm. Let me grab my red pen... Just gotta edit your statement a bit.
"I do not want another DA2."
There you go. Oh, wait a sec.
"BioWare/EA must apologize for DA2 or else I will be hesistant to buy DA3."
Fix'd.
Also, you have no statistics to support this claim. While some may agree with you, it is still your opinion.

I'm not a big fan of how DA2 was ME2'd (lolverb), but they don't need to aplogize for it. DA2 is not a -terrible- game. It's just not the Origins 2 most were expecting. If an official "apology" (preferably an explanation) were to be issued, it should be directed at the obscene amount of bugs and glitches that were not addressed before launch.

(Digging the new art direction though. Major kudos BioWare.)

[winterborn_89]

they shouldnt apologize but i would like them to acknowledge the epic failness somewhat...and assure that they understand the complaints.

[Jerrybnsn]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Seems to me that BioWare listens and reacts to the fans to give players what they want too easily at times. The very things that I have seen included in DA II are some of the very same things fans have been clamoring for at various times.

Who here wanted mutant-elven goat people?

[Bryy_Miller]

topster88 wrote...

Lol @ people saying "EA/BW DOESN'T HAVE TA DO NOTHING"

If they want me to buy DA3 as opposed to renting it, they do.

In that case, they need to work on winning back those fans.

But the amount of ridiculousness in this thread is ridiculous. Asking for an apology because you personally did not like a product? So are you going to ask for an apology for every video game you don't like?

You know why Pitchford apologized for the DNF delay? Because it was a delay. Of a game that has already been delayed for 13 years. 

[Russalka]

Do you ever see people apologising for bad movies?

[didymos1120]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Seems to me that BioWare listens and reacts to the fans to give players what they want too easily at times. The very things that I have seen included in DA II are some of the very same things fans have been clamoring for at various times.

Who here wanted mutant-elven goat people?

Bioware overreacted.

[mousestalker]

If the people at Bioware delivered lemon meringue pie to me, I'd pretty much forgive them anything, even stuff they aren't really responsible for.

I'm just sayin'...

[didymos1120]

Russalka wrote...

Do you ever see people apologising for bad movies?

Actually, you do. Sometimes.  George Clooney and Joel Schumacher both apologized for "Batman and Robin".

[DreGregoire]

Pffft, I'm buying DA3 if they make it and any addon's they put out for DA2. I think they have done an amazing job. Sure there are bugs, their always are with new games, that's why they do updates/patches. Just because it didn't satisfy everybodies wants doesn't mean it isn't a good game. I love DA2 just as much as DAO.

[Russalka]

didymos1120 wrote...

Actually, you do. Sometimes.  George Clooney and Joel Schumacher both apologized for "Batman and Robin".

What about books then? Did Stephenie Meyer ever apologise for her "saga"?

[didymos1120]

Killer3000ad wrote...

They can't apologize. It'd be the equivalent of the Arishok saying,"I like kittens."

He might.  Their role is pretty much just "being cute", and he'd at least have to respect that they fulfill it so admirably. 

[randName]

Russalka wrote...

Do you ever see people apologising for bad movies?

It actually happens, sometimes ~ but it have to be a horrible horrible movie they want to distance themselves from.

[didymos1120]

Russalka wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Actually, you do. Sometimes.  George Clooney and Joel Schumacher both apologized for "Batman and Robin".

What about books then? Did Stephenie Meyer ever apologise for her "saga"?

Not her, so far as I know, but Douglas Adams apologized for Mostly Harmless being such a downer and a poor way to end the Hitchiker's series. And it's actually fairly common for authors to disown earlier novels and suggest that people save their money, or lament the fact that they actually sought them out and paid for them, which is in the same spirit.

Modifié par didymos1120, 28 mars 2011 - 10:53 .

[AtreiyaN7]

They owe us nothing - except patches for existing bugs that is. I do think that I might be entitled to an apology for this thread eating up a few valuable minutes that I could have used on actual work however.