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[apoc_reg]

I have no problem whatsoever with having gay characters in game or them hitting on me. That is 100% not a problem.

BUT

Everyone in DA2 is gay. News flash every man is not gal, in fact out of the people I know I would say maybe 1 in 50 at the most so having every character in DA2 feels very false and disingenuous. Nothing should be in a game just to satisfy a census the marketing dept ran!

That's my problem with the implementation here.

[Grestorn]

apoc_reg wrote...

I have no problem whatsoever with having gay characters in game or them hitting on me. That is 100% not a problem.

BUT

Everyone in DA2 is gay. News flash every man is not gal, in fact out of the people I know I would say maybe 1 in 50 at the most so having every character in DA2 feels very false and disingenuous. Nothing should be in a game just to satisfy a census the marketing dept ran!

That's my problem with the implementation here.

You're wrong. Almost everyone can potentially be gay, i.e. if you want him or her to be gay, he or she will be (at least most of them). That doesn't mean, that they are gay by definition.

They are virtual characters, and how you play defines wether they are gay or not. That's the difference between a virtual, computer controlled world and the real world.

Modifié par Grestorn, 30 mars 2011 - 10:11 .

[Grestorn]

Dridengx wrote...

Well, let me ask you this. I really don't care how you like sex or with what type of people you like sex with.. but why should I know your private business or even care about it?

Why should we gay people have to know about your private business? But we have to, everywhere you can read and hear about straight sex and relationships.

I could find that offending - but I don't.

Maybe you can muster up that tolerance, too.

[wikkedjoker]

Everyone I have a propose for you. . . Ready?

Get over it.

All the romances in DA2 were bad, not because the gay/bi wannabe characters. But because the story was written with the lowest common denominator in mind. The gay/lesbian romances are handled with the finesse of a Yaoi/Yuri girl/guy's poorly written fanfic. Bad writing bad characters I don't see why were arguing homosexuality when there is so much more wrong with the writing.

[Solkazo]

Gay relationships in a game causing problems ? Since when ?

[Zandilar]

I'm just going to preface this with the following.

You are not, by any stretch, the first person to make these insinuations, nor will you be the last. The fact that you don't understand something as simple as this is the reason we need visibility, and the reason why we're still fighting for our rights.

Dridengx wrote...

Before I'm judged. let me say I live in San Francisco and have gay friends, my BFF is Bi but with that said.. there is something I don't understand sooo....

Oh so having gay friends excuses you from being offensive? I think not.

At any rate, you could say that you know a million gay people, and all I have as proof of that is your word. And to be perfectly honest, your word isn't worth much given the offensive levels of ignorance you display in your post.

Well, let me ask you this. I really don't care how you like sex or with what type of people you like sex with.. but why should I know your private business or even care about it? How would it look if some random guy ran around the streets, posted blogs, and flaunted around town saying he likes screwing, blowing, and such? Hey, whatever turns you on or makes you happy is fine with me, but since when does sexual orientation need to be a public affair? Is there no decency left, nothing is private?

What on Earth are you on about? Since when did we say we wanted to run around divulging the most intimate details of our sex lives? Have you really seen anyone in this thread saying they want to do that? No? I didn't think so. So where is this idea coming from?

Straights talk about their sexual orientation all the time, it's just so pervasive you don't notice. Everytime a guy mentions his girlfriend, or his kids, he's talking about his sexuality.

I understand you want equal rights, benefits, marriage etc but why shove it down everyone's throat? I don't brag around town how I want king kong shoved up my ass while having painted toes in my mouth everywhere I go nor do I say GET USED TO IT because we are here to stay! just comes across rather wrong to me personally. I know you had to live in opression and want to vent but like you said its 2011! you are accepted, no one cares! so stop telling everyone lol

And as for gayness in games its always been in gaming you just haven't noticed.

This is just breathtakingly ignorant. I am not even sure what to say to start untangling this, so I'm going to break it down into point form.

1) It is possible to talk about one's sexuality WITHOUT talking about sex. If I had a girlfriend, I could casually mention her in a conversation that had nothing to do with sex and that would still be touching on my sexuality because I am a woman. Straight people talk about their beloveds all the time, why can't I?
2) There are still places in the world where you can be executed for homosexual behaviour. There are more places in the world where you can be beaten and murdered because of it (even in the western world!). Kids still commit suicide because they're pecieved to be gay (and bullied because of it). We are nowhere near equal yet, we are nowhere near the point where "people don't care".
3) Your last comment - citation needed, please. (The first gay character I ever came across in a computer game was Juhani in Knights of the Old Republic, and there was some controversy about her because of a bug in her "romance lite" which allowed her to make overtures to a male Revan, a bug which was eventually fixed... I've been playing computer games since about 1985.)

[Medhia Nox]

@wikkedjoker - stop speaking truth.

This is a thread where people are fighting out their frustrations about being a minority - and a few majority folks who feel their way of life is being threatened so they feel they need to fire back.

1) To all the minority folks - go make some games, and please put some great gay characters in them. You're awesome -  now go kick some butt.

2) To the few majority folks - is this really worth your time? You know you don't really need to compete with "those other people" you feel so offended by. You'll get your straight romances because of sheer numbers. Try being a might bit magnanimous once in a while - let other people share your world. On a side note - you're also awesome - you just take it for granted.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 30 mars 2011 - 07:39 .

[Grestorn]

And you are simply arrogant.

Oh, well, I know, we must not speak up otherwise we'll show our deeply felt frustration. So let's just bow down to the majority and the self proclaimed psychoanalysts.

And not to forget: thank you so much for your overboarding generosity, ahm sorry, magnanimosity. This must have been your good deed for the day. Congratulations.

Modifié par Grestorn, 30 mars 2011 - 07:50 .

[Aireoth]

I agree with Apoc, not everyone is Bi/Gay (and sorry to Grenstorn, but if your not gay, all the money, love and gay sex in the world won't change that) thus the game romances seem even more fake/forced then the bad writing and poor scripting makes it.

I have no problems with sexuality, my best friend is gay and we have plenty of fun gaying it up, much to my wife's chagrin at times. I will never be sexually attracted to him or any other man. Being that all these characters are older, they should have some firm sexuality, bi straight or gay, not everything just so we as gamers can decide. Oddly enough, it is one of the few true choices you have in this game...

[Soulcheg]

Dragon Age 2 main music theme -

Tomboy - It's OK to be gay

lol.

Modifié par Soulcheg, 30 mars 2011 - 08:45 .

[Sheonite]

Wait, people are complaining about having the ability to make an unrestricted CHOICE in an RPG?
What?

If it were only the girls who were Bi I'm sure there wouldn't be any HURR DURR GAY PEOPLE GTFO threads. (See: Heteronormativity)

Actually, Miranda and Femshep... :3

Back on topic. It seems some have a more "canon" sexuality, but other than that nothing really happens unless you, the player, instigates something. By some I mean Anders. >.>

Arguing against inclusion of more choices, again, is just silly.

Also, Zandilar you make a good point. :x

[Medhia Nox]

@Grestorn - see, you've proven my point. You didn't even stop to think which one of those two groups I belong to. You're simply venting... let it out my man, trust me - "I get it."

Aireoth - so since you're a straight male, you would be happy with "the attractive" female (always subjective of course) being unavailable for you to romance as a dude? I don't think you should be deprived of a choice in the game simply because "someone must be gay, straight, or bi".

[Aireoth]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Aireoth - so since you're a straight male, you would be happy with "the attractive" female (always subjective of course) being unavailable for you to romance as a dude? I don't think you should be deprived of a choice in the game simply because "someone must be gay, straight, or bi".

Yes, because they are in real life. It takes a major personal event to change someones sexual orientation once its cemented. Not just because Brad Pitt or Natilie Portman starts hitting on you. It breaks the immersion of the game, still once again, it is one of the few real choices the game gives you.

[Gavinthelocust]

Sex, politics, and religion.
Wouldn't be a Bioware forum without it.

[borelocin]

As an older straight bloke who has been gaming for decades I think it's about bloody time our gay friends got some pixellated loving too.

[Aireoth]

borelocin wrote...

As an older straight bloke who has been gaming for decades I think it's about bloody time our gay friends got some pixellated loving too.

I agree 100% (Lesbians too), I just think that all romancable NPC's shouldn't play for every team. I think it would be great if we got to the point where they had likes and dislikes (race, gender, hair, skin, personality) and the process of courting them was fully realised.

[Zandilar]

Aireoth wrote...
I have no problems with sexuality, my best friend is gay and we have plenty of fun gaying it up, much to my wife's chagrin at times. I will never be sexually attracted to him or any other man. Being that all these characters are older, they should have some firm sexuality, bi straight or gay, not everything just so we as gamers can decide. Oddly enough, it is one of the few true choices you have in this game...

Time to bust a myth...

Sexuality is a lot more fluid than most people think. There are many people who only come out later in life. There are some people who come out early, but later on discover there's this person they really really like, but who isn't of a gender they'd normally fall for. The fact that a person has been in X number of relationships of a particular type NEVER precludes the idea that they could just find a person who happenes to be the one, but isn't of a gender that person would usually fall for. It isn't unrealistic to think a man who has only ever been in relationships with women, would one day fall in love with a man - improbable maybe (more likely if you flip the genders used in the example), but not impossible, and by no means unrealistic.

Oh, and Aireoth... Why wouldn't a group of people with similar sexualities work together to fight evil? Honestly, people tend to group with those they have things in common. One thing they might have in common is a similar appreciation for both (or one or the other) gender. Do you think "The L Word" or "Queer as Folk" were unrealistic just because all of the protagonists were gay?

Modifié par Zandilar, 30 mars 2011 - 11:08 .

[Sheonite]

Zandilar wrote...

Time to bust a myth...

Sexuality is a lot more fluid than most people think. There are many people who only come out later in life. There are some people who come out early, but later on discover there's this person they really really like, but who isn't of a gender they'd normally fall for. The fact that a person has been in X number of relationships of a particular type NEVER precludes the idea that they could just find a person who happenes to be the one, but isn't of a gender that person would usually fall for. It isn't unrealistic to think a man who has only ever been in relationships with women, would one day fall in love with a man - improbable maybe (more likely if you flip the genders used in the example), but not impossible, and by no means unrealistic.

Human sexuality is...


complicated, to say the least. It's not easily categorized into black and white polar opposites,  rather into apple, orange, and potato. Meaning as a people we want to sort ourselves category A or B in order to "belong" to group A or B, when in actuality there are people that fit into A, B, A and B, sometimes a, but b isn't bad either... and whatever. This can be applied to any number of things and would hold the same truth.

Everyone should take a lesson from the star bellied sneetches.

[Carfax]

Zandilar wrote...

Time to bust a myth...

Sexuality is a lot more fluid than most people think. There are many people who only come out later in life. There are some people who come out early, but later on discover there's this person they really really like, but who isn't of a gender they'd normally fall for. The fact that a person has been in X number of relationships of a particular type NEVER precludes the idea that they could just find a person who happenes to be the one, but isn't of a gender that person would usually fall for. It isn't unrealistic to think a man who has only ever been in relationships with women, would one day fall in love with a man - improbable maybe (more likely if you flip the genders used in the example), but not impossible, and by no means unrealistic.

Oh, and Aireoth... Why wouldn't a group of people with similar sexualities work together to fight evil? Honestly, people tend to group with those they have things in common. One thing they might have in common is a similar appreciation for both (or one or the other) gender. Do you think "The L Word" or "Queer as Folk" were unrealistic just because all of the protagonists were gay?

What a bunch of nonsense.  You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about..

Your sexual orientation is something that you're born with, and does not "magically shift" just from meeting a certain person.......unless you're already biologically predisposed to that sort of thing.

In other words, people that seemingly change their sexuality throughout their lives are already innately bisexual, and have the capability of doing so.

If this wasn't the case, this phenomenon would be much more common and the percentage of non heterosexual people would be much higher.

Most human beings tend to be firmy heterosexual, and is patently obvious if you take your liberal reading glasses off and look at the World around you

[Medhia Nox]

@Sheonite - Dr. Seuss reference... you are my new best friend

[Nyuneko]

Nothing to add to the debate, except that I think gayness is awesome, and homophobe should be gone.

Anders being bi is kinda weird though, what with the misconception that men can't love cute cuddly kittens and all that, then him hitting on my manHawke... Some stereotyping there, Bioware! D:

My femHawke will be all over him though...

Nyuneko out! *ZOOOOM*

[jacobkosh]

legitimatebusiness wrote...

I don't really care about having gay romance options, I'm just bothered about what they did to Anders in this one. I mean, he was funny, reasonable, and friendly in Awakening. In 2 he's sarcastic, overly-sensitive, an **** to everyone, then he gets offended by me choosing not to be gay. It wasn't the 10 rivalry that pissed me off, it was the heterophobia.

God knows, if nerds who post on video game forums are known for anything, it's how well they handle rejection.

I'm sure nobody here has ever called a woman a **** under their breath after she turned them down, or written an angry livejournal post about some dude who TOTALLY LED THEM ON.

Yeah, you get ten rivalry.  Oh no.  Grow up.  Deal.

Modifié par jacobkosh, 31 mars 2011 - 01:00 .

[legitimatebusiness]

jacobkosh wrote...

legitimatebusiness wrote...

I don't really care about having gay romance options, I'm just bothered about what they did to Anders in this one. I mean, he was funny, reasonable, and friendly in Awakening. In 2 he's sarcastic, overly-sensitive, an **** to everyone, then he gets offended by me choosing not to be gay. It wasn't the 10 rivalry that pissed me off, it was the heterophobia.

God knows, if nerds who post on video game forums are known for anything, it's how well they handle rejection.

I'm sure nobody here has ever called a woman a **** under their breath after she turned them down, or written an angry livejournal post about some dude who TOTALLY LED THEM ON.

Yeah, you get ten rivalry.  Oh no.  Grow up.  Deal.

You really missed the point, didn't you? Where in there did I complain about being rejected? Did I not say that I didn't care about the ten rivalry? Maybe you should try to understand what people are talking about before you start calling them nerds and saying stupid crap.

[Zandilar]

Carfax wrote...

What a bunch of nonsense.  You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about..

*chuckles softly* I do as a matter of fact.

Your sexual orientation is something that you're born with, and does not "magically shift" just from meeting a certain person.......unless you're already biologically predisposed to that sort of thing.

In other words, people that seemingly change their sexuality
throughout their lives are already innately bisexual, and have the
capability of doing so.

You're probably right about them being innately bisexual, but I contend that there are a lot of bisexuals out there not just passing as straight, but IDENTIFYING as straight as well. And it comes as a big surprise to them, when it turns out that they aren't. (MOST of them probably live out their lives as straight, without even ever realizing they're not! They'd be highly insulted if you tried to tell them they were anything other that straight too.)

I'm kind of loathe to pull my personal experience into it, but... I identified as straight until I was 17, I'd only ever had relationships with guys to that point. Anyone looking in on my life at that point would have gone "huh, what?" and then "oh, she's bisexual"... And that's even what I thought at the time. It did come as a surprise to me, I certainly wasn't expecting it. I'd been perfectly happy with the guys (well, in the way teenagers are in their relationships, angst, breaking up, sex and all) - but it slowly dawned on me that it wasn't what I wanted, it took me a few more years (and a couple more failed relationships with guys) before it finally sank in that I'm a lesbian. I'm not saying I chose to be gay, I am saying that sexuality is not such a clear and cut issue, and it's about identity not just about what one is at a basic biological level. Otherwise, gay kids would universally come out as teenagers (during puberty), and that's simply not the case. Biology directs you one way, society another.

Most human beings tend to be firmy heterosexual, and is patently obvious if you take your liberal reading glasses off and look at the World around you

This last line was really not necessary, was it? Attack the argument, not the person making it.