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[elearon1]

colex91 wrote... Zevran has been the only male-male relationship I have seen since I started playing video games. I have been playing games since NES. 

Actually, there was one in BG2 and Jade Empire - but, yeah, Bioware seems to always be at the forefront of the "bringing games into the new millenium" movement.

[ColdbringeR]

We've been down this road. We don't need another one of these pointless threads. It's obvious that nobody is convincing anyone else of anything, but good try.

[Nimpe]

You can be gay in The Sims. Your arguement is invalid.

[dantares83]

why is there so many topics on this.. i dated Anders and do not have any problems with it...

[Sen4lifE]

Leovigild wrote...

nightlordv wrote...

I think a lot of this also has to do with how the romances were implemented from DA2 and Origins. Origins was more tasteful while DA2 is just over the top and plain silly in many instances.

May i ask, what u mean with "over the Top?" I though the opposite, since they are very very prude. I mean: Clothed Sex?

I have to agree with him, I liked how the romances fixed into the story in DA:O than DA:2 thus far.  But meh.

[KealaFerret]

Or, you could eat the rivalry points... and consider that a character (such as Anders) could behave differently down the line if you keep up the trend. No spoilers, but food for thought - rivalry isn't a bad thing. It really just means you don't agree with someone, it doesn't mean they're going to run off emo and crying later because you're not their "friend". It just changes the dynamic, and this isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think to a degree we're kind of stuck in a fixed idea of the blue and red sides of a spectrum. In the past, going towards that "negative" side would often mean a companion would leave you later or something, but as far as I can tell that's not the case in DA2.

That being said, I played a guy in Jade Empire, and I was constantly hounding Sky. It was my first BioWare game, and it was one of the things that made me think BioWare had more guts than other companies.

Modifié par KealaFerret, 27 mars 2011 - 05:07 .

[Vindicis]

You poor, dim, little sheep. You're hoisting Bioware on your shoulders, touting victory and freedom! It has NOTHING to do with caring for you or your choices, it's all about the design time. Easiest way to cut corners was to just make all romance options play out exactly the same no matter the sex. It's got nothing to do with finally stepping out of the dark ages to make you happy...Just another cost cutting measure to get the product on the shelves ASAP. Why not pat them on the back when they actually put some thought and effort into it?

[CRISIS1717]

Nobody likes it when someone comes on strong and that's how Bioware have portrayed the gay characters in game. Also they aren't catering to any particular sexual orientation at all because they made everyone bisexual so people can romance all the LIs lol.

I just think it's ridiculous that the character's sexuality isn't based on how they characterise someone like Mass Effect, it means gamers can still have a gay relationship with an LI but it depends on what the character's sexual orientation would be.

[Deylar]

I mean, yes, there was a broken heart expression as well. For me it had nothing to do with rivalry. For me it had to do with decent respect.
To tell someone to "**** off" basically that's what it sounded like to me when Hawke spoke. Just was poor in taste. I wish I had one nuetral option that didn't effect either opinion Anders had of me. A nuetral option that didn't effectt friendship or rivalry. I just didn't feel it was the right thing Hawke said and I just felt disrespectful. I don't feel like I have disrespected someone. And it isn't as said about the rivalry points. Its what has been said.

[metooyou]

There's a difference between "including gay characters" in the game and outright throwing them in your face, DA:O for instance had Wade&Herren and I can still remember those two as they were funny and likeable Also you had a choice if you even want to take Zevran with you or burn him with fire and you could outright tell him that you're "not interested" and he'd drop it.
In DA2 your character goes ahead and flirts with both sexes no matter what you do (even on non-heart options like the mask etc. and you can't even tell because of the dialog-wheel), there's a brothel with 2/3 males and a transvestite you can only recognize after "engaging" and the companions are as refined as a steam locomotive in their flirting attempts. That comic isn't the only mention of it, here's another from a Reviewer for example: (see around 5:20 http://angryjoeshow....i-angry-review/ )
It's at times as subtle as running through the streets wearing only a g-string with a sign around your neck saying "I'm gay and you have to like me, deal with it!"
There were also a few more scenes in the game where I can only imagine the "fanction"-story-writers literally frothing from their mouths while implementing e.g.:

Modifié par metooyou, 27 mars 2011 - 12:01 .

[borelocin]

It's true - I'm 40 and been straight all my life but the stress of having to take a "+10 rivalry: hit has turned me gay.

Modifié par borelocin, 27 mars 2011 - 01:13 .

[Leovigild]

borelocin wrote...

It's true - I'm 40 and been straight all my life but the stress of having to take a "+10 rivalry: hit has turned me gay.

HAHAHAHA good one mate

[ostemanden]

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

[lobi]

Eat rivalry or eat a Penis?. Max Rivalry=relationship, Max Freindship=relationship, Max sarcasm=Relationship, Mixed options=relationship, It all comes down to you saying sleep with me, so if it bothers you do not encourage it.

Modifié par lobi, 27 mars 2011 - 01:28 .

[22nd MadJack]

ostemanden wrote...
Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal.
 

Considering Homosexuality has existed alongside Heterosexuality since the dawn of man, I'd consider it quite normal.


Blurb I have posted elsewhere in regards to this.

Conflict brings drama, absence of conflict brings naught.  I'll tell you how homosexuality
should have been addressed.  Each romancible companion should have a default sexuality,
however have the possibility of being 'converted' through dialog and interaction.  I am against
set sexuality as I approve of maximising a players choice, however, everyone being
bisexual lacks conflict.  It's too easy, too untrue to life.  A person's sexuality is integral to their
character.

Something springs to mind when I think of this, BBC's Casanova.  In one episode the show's
namesake falls for an eunuch who he is convinced is a woman.  Then when he realises he is
mistaken he becomes utterly distraught.  However, in an incredibly powerful scene he admits
that he loves him and he doesn't care about gender.*  The role of Casanova in this example
would suit a straight companion who begins to care about the same sex main character.  Or
even possibly role playable by the main character.

Of course this is a less streamlined development cycle, but BioWare are all about pleasing
their player base ... right? 


*turns out he was a she in the end, but that's not the point.

Modifié par 22nd MadJack, 27 mars 2011 - 01:29 .

[Leovigild]

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

Actually there is a good Way to avoid this: Don´t read the Threads! Or did a bad bad ****** take ur Head, stuck something between ur eyelids, and sat u before ur computer, showing u the hatred Posts?? No? So why are u trolling around then?

You don´t seem to know, but Homos are human, like you and me, and they have the same rights to express their feelings about games and every other Topic here.

If you can´t accept that fact, it´s YOU who is wrong here, not the Homosexuals...

[lobi]

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

Rivalry +125
Kiss me you fool!

Modifié par lobi, 27 mars 2011 - 01:31 .

[Icinix]

lobi wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Deleted : Lots of stuff

GTFO please.

Rivalry +125
Kiss me you fool!

Bastilla Shan FTW! Now THAT was one of the best romance lines of all time!

[Eclipse_9990]

Well Bioware wanted us to "fight like a spartan" right? So to help ease us into the role they put in spartan humping.

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 27 mars 2011 - 01:40 .

[KenKenpachi]

colex91 wrote...
Rest of OP's Rainbow parade.
 Loyal Gay Bioware Fan,Cole   Peace.

I think the main deal most have whit it is the fact all of the characters can hit on you or force you into an uncomfortable situation. Most hetrosexual, even most homosexual people, don't make a point to do that. Normally each group will leave those who arn't interisted alone. Unless your drunk, or part of a gang like that female one with the pink pistols that goes around raping women. And you have to take into account in some regions and cultures it will never be acceaptable, even in the West. Like in the Middile East I won't be surprised if it has poor sales or is outright outlawed. Same with the PRC and other Asian Countries, dito for more traditional parts of Europe and sections of the US.

And it should not be forced on anyone as being okay. If you push somepeople they will push back. That being said I don't see where DA is forcing it, unless your a friendship points ****, I playing as a male Hawke was not ONCE hit on by Fenris, Anders, or even Isabela, and yet had friendship maxed with the former two. Bioware could have solved this with no romance happening unless you pick the flirt option. As face it how many of the ladies out there would drop there pants for my just being nice to them? Not many, or least I hope so, if society has gotten so low as to where I can have sex with a woman for moving boxes for her, thats just sad. Your being a bit biased OP, if the game had had no gay romance or just one I know from lurking on this forum there would be rants a mile high. Both sides of the fight arn't so different in our polorized society. Each thinks they are right and hates the other, while being oblivious to the other.

Sexuality is still a private topic for most, short of Urbanites and the overly sexualized. Such as Icelanders >.>

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 27 mars 2011 - 01:39 .

[Speakeasy13]

Oh guyz, pls stop being so self-absorbed, If you read thru his post you'd realize that starting another debate (which his thread is turning into) isn't his original intent. He wanted to share his RL experience and what Bioware's action meant to him as an individual. How gay romance was handled is irrelevant and should be taken to the other existing debate threads. What we need is more encouragement for the OP, so that he can get offline reaffirmed that save for a few trolls, the vast majority of us out there do not judge ppl like him for what they are.

And if you are one of those said trolls, then you, yes you, messere, are a terrible person.

[Leovigild]

KenKenpachi wrote...

colex91 wrote...
Rest of OP's Rainbow parade.
 Loyal Gay Bioware Fan,Cole   Peace.

 Same with the PRC and other Asian Countries, dito for more traditional parts of Europe and sections of the US.

As A Europe, i´m exited to here, which european Parts u mean by that... i wouldn´t know a single one.

[Speakeasy13]

Leovigild wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

colex91 wrote...
Rest of OP's Rainbow parade.
 Loyal Gay Bioware Fan,Cole   Peace.

 Same with the PRC and other Asian Countries, dito for more traditional parts of Europe and sections of the US.

As A Europe, i´m exited to here, which european Parts u mean by that... i wouldn´t know a single one.

I'm from Hong Kong and I can assure you that gays in PRC are better treated than those sections of the US you referred to. At least they were called names and persecuted EVERY DAY and EVERYWHERE.

[ostemanden]

22nd MadJack wrote...

ostemanden wrote...
Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal.
 

Considering Homosexuality has existed alongside Heterosexuality since the dawn of man, I'd consider it quite normal.

Conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal; "serve wine at normal room temperature"; "normal diplomatic relations"; "normal working hours"; "normal word order"; "normal curiosity"; "the normal course of events"

Hence, homosexuality will never be considered normal, untill the majority of the worlds population is homosexual. Just because there has always been people who deviated from the norm, does not make that deviance normal.

Actually there is a good Way to avoid this: Don´t read the Threads! Or did a bad bad ****** take ur Head, stuck something between ur eyelids, and sat u before ur computer, showing u the hatred Posts?? No? So why are u trolling around then?

You don´t seem to know, but Homos are human, like you and me, and they have the same rights to express their feelings about games and every other Topic here. 

If you can´t accept that fact, it´s YOU who is wrong here, not the Homosexuals...

Not really, because this is a gaming forum for gamers, not a sexual oriented forum about homosexuality, therefore when I come to this forum, I expect moderation and a certain code of conduct. For instance I expect this forum to be free from people hereunder homosexuals, defending their sexual rights, and flaunting their orientation in my face. In addition I also expect any life story about once private sexual preference/orientation, to be deleted from this forum. 

Rivalry +125
Kiss me you fool!!

Never!

Oh guyz, pls stop being so self-absorbed, If you read thru his post you'd realize that starting another debate (which his thread is turning into) isn't his original intent. He wanted to share his RL experience and what Bioware's action meant to him as an individual. How gay romance was handled is irrelevant and should be taken to the other existing debate threads. What we need is more encouragement for the OP, so that he can get offline reaffirmed that save for a few trolls, the vast majority of us out there do not judge ppl like him for what they are.

And if you are one of those said trolls, then you, yes you, messere, are a terrible person.

No he wanted to post his own sexual experience on a forum for games. He is now experiencing the consequence of this.
I am solely judging him for his use of medium, not his sexual orientation, I could not care less about what he likes to use his intestines for! 

Modifié par ostemanden, 27 mars 2011 - 01:58 .

[Kryz]

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

Oh, you poor repressed straight person, having to see all the ******'s everywhere, actually living their lives; in public, no less! How do you do it?

I'll GTFO when you STFU.