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[bucknut1007]

colex91 wrote...

 Alright now that I have your attention. I just wanted to point something out that has been bothering me..

Why all the controversy? We are in 2011 now, gay people are here forever, have been here forever, and will always be...Get used to it. I appreciate everything Bioware did for "us", they gained a lot of respect from me. I hope they continue to create gay relationships in other games, not just fem-fem.

How come the gay controversy didn't start when we had fem-fem in Mass Effect 1,2 and DA:O? Ohh, that's right cause it's okay!! it's hot!! No, it's just unfair. Zevran has been the only male-male relationship I have seen since I started playing video games. I have been playing games since NES. 

If they are really making you feel uncomfortable in the game...Turn them down? Don't pick conversation options with the heart Icon? Don't be overly nice in bad situations? Be real,get real.
 
I'm sure making this won't even matter, I live in a small town in the NC mountains, I know what it is like to be spit on,cussed, made fun of, for being who I am. The only thing that has gotten me through the anti-gay mess is a brighter future for acceptance. Bioware you took a step towards that in this game, you gained a loyal fan. Just know that the majority of us don't care about the bisexual relationships. It's just the select few ignorant people that attempt to make it seem like it is a big deal.  
I'm done ranting, signing off....
Loyal Gay Bioware Fan,Cole   Peace.

I will agree with you that Bioware should make gay romance options for both sexes. However I mean no offence to you, the OP or any other homosexuals that reply to this or any of the other topics on this but I am a homophobe. To rpeat I mean no offence to any of the gay members of this forum and do not want to start a flame war, it's just how I am.

Anyway back on topic. Bioware should make homosexual relationships for both sexes, but they do not need to make every rmancable character bi. That is just cheap. I know I can just say no to them but then I miss out on a part of the game. So Bioware learn from this and keep some of your romance options straight.

[ostemanden]

Kryz wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

Oh, you poor repressed straight person, having to see all the ******'s everywhere, actually living their lives; in public, no less! How do you do it?

I'll GTFO when you STFU. 

This is not a forum for sharing sexual orientation or sexual experience, I signed up for this forum, to read about games. ******'s can flaunt their sexuality where it is appropriate!

[Speakeasy13]

ostemanden wrote...

Kryz wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

Oh, you poor repressed straight person, having to see all the ******'s everywhere, actually living their lives; in public, no less! How do you do it?

I'll GTFO when you STFU. 

This is not a forum for sharing sexual orientation or sexual experience, I signed up for this forum, to read about games. ******'s can flaunt their sexuality where it is appropriate!

News flash: heterosexuality is not any more appropriate than homosexuality. You signed up for a Canadian forum, where the two orientations are treated perfectly equally. So don't expect your own cultural assumptions to carry over and receive the same amount of respect. THIS is entirely appropriate. Deal with it.

Modifié par Speakeasy13, 27 mars 2011 - 02:04 .

[ostemanden]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Kryz wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

Oh, you poor repressed straight person, having to see all the ******'s everywhere, actually living their lives; in public, no less! How do you do it?

I'll GTFO when you STFU. 

This is not a forum for sharing sexual orientation or sexual experience, I signed up for this forum, to read about games. ******'s can flaunt their sexuality where it is appropriate!

News flash: heterosexuality is not any more appropriate than homosexuality. You signed up for a Canadian forum, where the two orientations are treated perfectly equally. So don't expect your own cultural assumptions to carry over and received the same respect. THIS is entire appropriate. Deal with it.

News flash, learn to read.
Peoples sexual experience and sexual orientation, should not be posted here on this forum. 
Ergo, this is not appropriate!

[Bathead]

Bigotry is even less apprpopriate.

[Kryz]

ostemanden wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Kryz wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

Oh, you poor repressed straight person, having to see all the ******'s everywhere, actually living their lives; in public, no less! How do you do it?

I'll GTFO when you STFU. 

This is not a forum for sharing sexual orientation or sexual experience, I signed up for this forum, to read about games. ******'s can flaunt their sexuality where it is appropriate!

News flash: heterosexuality is not any more appropriate than homosexuality. You signed up for a Canadian forum, where the two orientations are treated perfectly equally. So don't expect your own cultural assumptions to carry over and received the same respect. THIS is entire appropriate. Deal with it.

News flash, learn to read.
Peoples sexual experience and sexual orientation, should not be posted here on this forum. 
Ergo, this is not appropriate!

And yet you just posted yours, albeit offhandedly. Double-standard much?

Sexuality is mentioned everywhere, by straights and gays like, offhandedly or otherwise. Expecting not to see any references about homosexuals, especially on a forum about a game containing elements of sex, of ****** and hetero variety, is ridiculous.

Don't wanna see us? Too bad, we're pretty much everywhere; same as you heteros. And just as you all, most (I hope) feel no shame about casualy mentioning our preferences.

Modifié par Kryz, 27 mars 2011 - 02:08 .

[lazuli]

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

And here we see creepy undertones of "separate but equal."

ExiledMimic wrote...

In the end him being gay is probably the most politically correct thing about Anders and quite possibly the only thing that keeps PC (politically correct) people from smashing him into the ground for his action out of fear they'll insult someone who's gay or bi.

I normally consider myself a politically correct person (you sort of have to be to work in my field).  Anders' sexuality doesn't matter much to me.  By targeting innocents to draw a desired reaction, Anders is a terrorist.  When a terrorist blows up a church full of innocent people, his or her sexual orientation is not of pressing importance.

Modifié par lazuli, 27 mars 2011 - 02:10 .

[Speakeasy13]

ostemanden wrote...
Conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal; "serve wine at normal room temperature"; "normal diplomatic relations"; "normal working hours"; "normal word order"; "normal curiosity"; "the normal course of events"

Okay. So because there are currently more women than men on our planets, therefore being a men is not normal?
Or because there are more Asians than white and Africans, therefore you're not normal unless you're Asian?

All of those norms you mentioned, diplomatic relations, working hours & orders and such, apply to homosexuals just as heterosexuals where I live (I'm going to assume where you live as well), so of course they are normal. WTF you talking about?

Oh the irony of you brandish 'appropriateness' when you keep on throwing homophobic comments one after another. Keep it up, and I believe you're on the right track to get yourself banned on these forums.

[ostemanden]

Bathead wrote...

Bigotry is even less apprpopriate.

Fail: I am very tolerant of other peoples oppinions, my only point is that this is a gaming forum, and ANY sexual orientation or sexual preference or sexual experience, should simply not be posted here. Discuss the characters sexual orientation all you want. But leave your own private bull**** out of it.

This is a gaming forum, this is not a forum about sexuality or sexual experience.
If I wanted to read stuff like that, I would look it up, it is not hard to find, however I do not, I want to read about Dragon Age 2. Not how some gay was oppresed and now has to flaunt his own sexual experience and orientation everywhere, including this gaming forum.

[Speakeasy13]

ostemanden wrote...

Bathead wrote...

Bigotry is even less apprpopriate.

Fail: I am very tolerant of other peoples oppinions, my only point is that this is a gaming forum, and ANY sexual orientation or sexual preference or sexual experience, should simply not be posted here. Discuss the characters sexual orientation all you want. But leave your own private bull**** out of it.

This is a gaming forum, this is not a forum about sexuality or sexual experience.
If I wanted to read stuff like that, I would look it up, it is not hard to find, however I do not, I want to read about Dragon Age 2. Not how some gay was oppresed and now has to flaunt his own sexual experience and orientation everywhere, including this gaming forum.

Then why don't you target someone heterosexual? You didn't seem the type to be bothered by those 'OMG Isabela is so hawt I wanna bang her ****** wit my big man meat' threads. Because you targeted a minority, you'd be regarded as a biggot and a bully. Simple as that.

Modifié par Speakeasy13, 27 mars 2011 - 02:14 .

[ostemanden]

Kryz wrote...
And yet you just posted yours, albeit offhandedly. Double-standard much?

Sexuality is mentioned everywhere, by straights and gays like, offhandedly or otherwise. Expecting not to see any references about homosexuals, especially on a forum about a game containing elements of sex, of ****** and hetero variety, is ridiculous.

Don't wanna see us? Too bad, we're pretty much everywhere; same as you heteros. And just as you all, most (I hope) feel no shame about casualy mentioning our preferences.

I didn't mention my sexuality, but you could implicitly come to the conclusion that I am not homosexual. Anything else is pure conjecture and guesswork from your part.

I don't have to see you, not here on a gaming forum, because this forum is not about what perversity you chose to engage in.

[ostemanden]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

ostemanden wrote...
Conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal; "serve wine at normal room temperature"; "normal diplomatic relations"; "normal working hours"; "normal word order"; "normal curiosity"; "the normal course of events"

Okay. So because there are currently more women than men on our planets, therefore being a men is not normal?
Or because there are more Asians than white and Africans, therefore you're not normal unless you're Asian?

All of those norms you mentioned, diplomatic relations, working hours & orders and such, apply to homosexuals just as heterosexuals where I live (I'm going to assume where you live as well), so of course they are normal. WTF you talking about?

Oh the irony of you brandish 'appropriateness' when you keep on throwing homophobic comments one after another. Keep it up, and I believe you're on the right track to get yourself banned on these forums.

Your logic fails on so many levels.
It is normal to be either born as a male or a female, therefore males and females are normal. It is normal for a male to find a female, and for a female to find a male, nature dictates this, thereofre heterosexuality is normal, I would even go as far as to say bisexuality is normal. However this is not what we are discussing here, homosexuality will never be the "norm" and thank GOD for that.... (see what I did there? and I am not even a Christian)

[ostemanden]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Bathead wrote...

Bigotry is even less apprpopriate.

Fail: I am very tolerant of other peoples oppinions, my only point is that this is a gaming forum, and ANY sexual orientation or sexual preference or sexual experience, should simply not be posted here. Discuss the characters sexual orientation all you want. But leave your own private bull**** out of it.

This is a gaming forum, this is not a forum about sexuality or sexual experience.
If I wanted to read stuff like that, I would look it up, it is not hard to find, however I do not, I want to read about Dragon Age 2. Not how some gay was oppresed and now has to flaunt his own sexual experience and orientation everywhere, including this gaming forum.

Then why don't you target someone heterosexual? You didn't seem the type to be bothered by those 'OMG Isabela is so hawt I wanna bang her ****** wit my big man meat' threads. Because you targeted a minority, you'd be regarded as a biggot and a bully. Simple as that.

Good point. I should target some heterosexuals, however the receiver of my critique would be some hormoned filled teenager. Here there is atleast a chance, that the message will get through.

[Leovigild]

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Modifié par Leovigild, 27 mars 2011 - 02:21 .

[Leovigild]

[quote]Leovigild wrote...

[quote]ostemanden wrote...

[quote]22nd MadJack wrote...

[quote]ostemanden wrote...
Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal.
 [/quote]

Considering Homosexuality has existed alongside Heterosexuality since the dawn of man, I'd consider it quite normal.
[/quote]


Conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal; "serve wine at normal room temperature"; "normal diplomatic relations"; "normal working hours"; "normal word order"; "normal curiosity"; "the normal course of events"[/quote]

Hence, homosexuality will never be considered normal, untill the majority of the worlds population is homosexual. Just because there has always been people who deviated from the norm, does not make that deviance normal.[/quote]

Ah! Now i got it: Normal = Majority

Unnormal = Every Minority

Unnormal Oppinions = bad (shouldn´t express their feelings in Public)

<--- actually your Oppinion should cause several trouble not only for Homosexuals, but also people with other (or like me none) Religion, other political Oppinions, and and and...

[quote]
Actually there is a good Way to avoid this: Don´t read the Threads! Or did a bad bad ****** take ur Head, stuck something between ur eyelids, and sat u before ur computer, showing u the hatred Posts?? No? So why are u trolling around then?

You don´t seem to know, but Homos are human, like you and me, and they have the same rights to express their feelings about games and every other Topic here. 

If you can´t accept that fact, it´s YOU who is wrong here, not the Homosexuals...[/quote]

[quote]Not really, because this is a gaming forum for gamers, not a sexual oriented forum about homosexuality, therefore when I come to this forum, I expect moderation and a certain code of conduct. For instance I expect this forum to be free from people hereunder homosexuals, defending their sexual rights, and flaunting their orientation in my face. In addition I also expect any life story about once private sexual preference/orientation, to be deleted from this forum. [/quote]

So Homosexuals are not allowed to express their minds, if attacked by others in this Forum, or on other public places, and should stay in seperate Ares and Forums, so they don´t make you feel ashamed, by having to watch them... that is... SICKING!

[/quote]

Modifié par Leovigild, 27 mars 2011 - 02:20 .

[Kryz]

ostemanden wrote...

Kryz wrote...
And yet you just posted yours, albeit offhandedly. Double-standard much?

Sexuality is mentioned everywhere, by straights and gays like, offhandedly or otherwise. Expecting not to see any references about homosexuals, especially on a forum about a game containing elements of sex, of ****** and hetero variety, is ridiculous.

Don't wanna see us? Too bad, we're pretty much everywhere; same as you heteros. And just as you all, most (I hope) feel no shame about casualy mentioning our preferences.

I didn't mention my sexuality, but you could implicitly come to the conclusion that I am not homosexual. Anything else is pure conjecture and guesswork from your part.

I don't have to see you, not here on a gaming forum, because this forum is not about what perversity you chose to engage in.

You DO have to see me. You don't have to like what you see, but you're gonna have to see it. Just like I have to see your bigoted crap. That's the way it works; we have to see the good and the bad. Kinda the point of freedom and freedom of speech. You can't shelter yourself away from things you don't agree with, sorry to say.

Might do well living in a cave though, with a cult. Otherwise you're outta luck.

[ostemanden]

Leo, you should really spend more time, learning how to understand what is written instead of thinking you understand what was written.

Normal is what most people do. That is what the word means. A minority can do normal things, like eating, sleeping and having sex. That still makes them a minority.

Never said that what isn't normal is bad. I am simply saying it isn't the norm, and that it never will be. (talking purely about homosexuality here)

No person should be allowed to post his private sexual orientation/experience/prefference here. Simply because this is not a forum about that, it is a forum about games.
If you want to discuss sexuality I would recomend that you join a forum, that have that specific goal in mind.

Modifié par ostemanden, 27 mars 2011 - 02:28 .

[ostemanden]

Kryz wrote...

You DO have to see me. You don't have to like what you see, but you're gonna have to see it. Just like I have to see your bigoted crap. That's the way it works; we have to see the good and the bad. Kinda the point of freedom and freedom of speech. You can't shelter yourself away from things you don't agree with, sorry to say.

Might do well living in a cave though, with a cult. Otherwise you're outta luck.

No, No and No.
You do not see the oxymoron in calling me a bigot, because you don't agree with me?
There is no freedom of speech on a privately owned forum, learn 2 understand rights.

This is a gaming forum, I do not have to read about your sexuality when I come here, it lies explcitly in the purpose of this forum; which is to discuss games.

[Leovigild]

ostemanden wrote...

Leo, you should really spend more time, learning how to understand what is written instead of thinking you understand what was written.

Normal is what most people do. That is what the word means. A minority can do normal things, like eating, sleeping and having sex. That still makes them a minority.

If you want to discuss sexuality I would recomend that you join a forum, that have that specific goal in mind.

And Homosexuals can´t do normal Things like eating, sleeping and having Sex, do i got it now??

And Sexuality doesn´t need to be discussed. It exists. point. No Matter which Gender you prefer.

[ostemanden]

Leovigild wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Leo, you should really spend more time, learning how to understand what is written instead of thinking you understand what was written.

Normal is what most people do. That is what the word means. A minority can do normal things, like eating, sleeping and having sex. That still makes them a minority.

If you want to discuss sexuality I would recomend that you join a forum, that have that specific goal in mind.

And Homosexuals can´t do normal Things like eating, sleeping and having Sex, do i got it now??

And Sexuality doesn´t need to be discussed. It exists. point. No Matter which Gender you prefer.

*Sigh*
I will take it, that the problem here is some kind of language barrier.

I will make this easy for you Leo.

Homosexuals = Minority

[Leovigild]

ostemanden wrote...

Leovigild wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Leo, you should really spend more time, learning how to understand what is written instead of thinking you understand what was written.

Normal is what most people do. That is what the word means. A minority can do normal things, like eating, sleeping and having sex. That still makes them a minority.

If you want to discuss sexuality I would recomend that you join a forum, that have that specific goal in mind.

And Homosexuals can´t do normal Things like eating, sleeping and having Sex, do i got it now??

And Sexuality doesn´t need to be discussed. It exists. point. No Matter which Gender you prefer.

*Sigh*
I will take it, that the problem here is some kind of language barrier.

I will make this easy for you Leo.

Homosexuals = Minority

Ah! They are a Minority... Man, if you wouldn´t have told me, i don´t know what would have been...

So what is the Difference between Homosexuals and others Minorities, that u can´t stand seeing them in public Areas?

Modifié par Leovigild, 27 mars 2011 - 02:36 .

[Kryz]

ostemanden wrote...

Kryz wrote...

You DO have to see me. You don't have to like what you see, but you're gonna have to see it. Just like I have to see your bigoted crap. That's the way it works; we have to see the good and the bad. Kinda the point of freedom and freedom of speech. You can't shelter yourself away from things you don't agree with, sorry to say.

Might do well living in a cave though, with a cult. Otherwise you're outta luck.

No, No and No.
You do not see the oxymoron in calling me a bigot, because you don't agree with me?
There is no freedom of speech on a privately owned forum, learn 2 understand rights.

This is a gaming forum, I do not have to read about your sexuality when I come here, it lies explcitly in the purpose of this forum; which is to discuss games.

I call you a bigot because you're the one who started arguing about sexuality and see it in the first place, instead of doing what any sane person who doesn't like homosexuality would do; letting it slide, ignoring it, and walking away.

And once again, a video game with homosexual elements. How is that not clear? See no reason why mentions of sexuality are an issue. If some dude starts graphically describing the sex he had with his husband last night fine, until then I disagree and will continue to disagree.

And yes you DO; as long as I post and noone censors it. And BioWare is not known for homophobia as yours. So I'd say I'm free to mention it as much as I want.

So you can dislike it all you want, but the posibility of us being censored *here* is unlikely indeed. Try not to lose too much sleep over it, hm? 

Modifié par Kryz, 27 mars 2011 - 02:52 .

[Phaelducan]

"How come the gay controversy didn't start when we had fem-fem in Mass Effect 1"

Are you serious? The controversy in ME1 was huge, and specifically for femshep/Liara sex scene.

Either you are trolling, or your head has been buried in the sand for the past 4 years. There is no controversy, it's just two sides (both equally vocal and just as irritating) constantly bickering about a non-issue.

TLDR version: No one cares who Hawke sleeps with, move along.

[ostemanden]

So because I started a debate about the appropriateness of posting your private sexual experience/orientation on a forum for games, I am a bigot.
I used to let it slide, but now I am getting especially homosexuality stuffed down my throat on a daily basis, and I have simply come to my own personal breaking point. I cannot let it slide any more, it has become a frustration.

I don't mind that there is homosexuality in the game, for some reason you keep repeating that.
I mind that people are presenting their own sexual orientation/preference/experience on a forum about games.

I have homosexual friends, that actually agrees with me; the over the top, constantly flaunting and the sexual flamboyant homosexuals are ruining it for the majority of homosexuals, because you keep insisting on stuffing your own private sexual orientation down our throats.

STOP IT.

[Centauri2002]

ostemanden wrote...

So because I started a debate about the appropriateness of posting your private sexual experience/orientation on a forum for games, I am a bigot.
I used to let it slide, but now I am getting especially homosexuality stuffed down my throat on a daily basis, and I have simply come to my own personal breaking point. I cannot let it slide any more, it has become a frustration.

I don't mind that there is homosexuality in the game, for some reason you keep repeating that.
I mind that people are presenting their own sexual orientation/preference/experience on a forum about games.

I have homosexual friends, that actually agrees with me; the over the top, constantly flaunting and the sexual flamboyant homosexuals are ruining it for the majority of homosexuals, because you keep insisting on stuffing your own private sexual orientation down our throats.

STOP IT.

I think the bigot comments might possibly have been caused by you stating your opinions on how unnatural it was. I'm not here to argue that, before you get started on what is and isn't normal.

Seriously though, if you don't like something, don't read threads that clearly have sexuality mentioned in the title. You seem to be coming in here and looking for a fight. There is sexuality in the game and, subsequently, debates on it in these forums, so of course people will be mentioning it. You're not being forced to read them though.

It's also clear you're going to receive nothing but hostility here so maybe it's time to take a deep breath and step away? I've taken your viewpoint on board, I don't happen to agree with it, but I think it's best for everyone here that we just drop the subject. Nothing constructive is going to come of it.