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[Kryz]

ostemanden wrote...

So because I started a debate about the appropriateness of posting your private sexual experience/orientation on a forum for games, I am a bigot.
I used to let it slide, but now I am getting especially homosexuality stuffed down my throat on a daily basis, and I have simply come to my own personal breaking point. I cannot let it slide any more, it has become a frustration.

I don't mind that there is homosexuality in the game, for some reason you keep repeating that.
I mind that people are presenting their own sexual orientation/preference/experience on a forum about games.

I have homosexual friends, that actually agrees with me; the over the top, constantly flaunting and the sexual flamboyant homosexuals are ruining it for the majority of homosexuals, because you keep insisting on stuffing your own private sexual orientation down our throats.

STOP IT.

My point is that in these forums, you have NO CHOICE. You will have to ignore it. Some places censor us but BioWare is not one of them, and most likely will not become one of them. Your personal crisis aside, the moderators mod these forums, not you. Until they say we can't mention our preferences, you will *have* to deal with it. Ignore the threads that ****** you off, or go elsewhere until you've gotten over your own personal stuff.

And once again, I'm not saying you mind it in the game, follow for goodness sakes. On a forum on a game with homosexuality in it, it's gonna come up in the forums. THAT's my point. For someone spouting 'learn to read' you don't do too well at it, yourself.

And because you know homosexuals that feel that way, means I automatically should? I'm an individual, not a cow in a herd of cattle. They're entitled to their opinions, and I'm entitled to think they're silly. Both their opinions and you using the 'I have gay friends' excuse.

And yes, capslock is automatically gonna make me shut up about it. Get mad at me all you want, but the fact that I'm so far allowed to mention my sexuality and therefore will continue to do so is not gonna change.

BioWare may censor me, these are their forums; you may not. 

[ostemanden]

Fair point. I will leave this thread, and make a new one, where I share my experience with sex, food, and killing heathens while I was in Afghanistan.

[borelocin]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Well Bioware wanted us to "fight like a spartan" right? So to help ease us into the role they put in spartan humping.

Anyone who watched "300" and still things Spartans were straight ?

[Centauri2002]

ostemanden wrote...

Fair point. I will leave this thread, and make a new one, where I share my experience with sex, food, and killing heathens while I was in Afghanistan.

If you feel those are relevant to any current discussions to BioWare games, then so be it. I'm not going to try and censor you. >.>

[Jman5]

Anders sometimes just borders on harassment. 

I think this sums it up nicely. For those who wanted to RP as a mr nice guy, there wasn't really an option to "friend-zone" him. I like playing the rude jerk, so it doesn't bother me personally, but I can understand where the consternation comes from. This doesn't automatically turn you into a homophobe if you felt that the chat choices were limiting in that scene.

[mmu1]

My problem with the way Bioware handles gay characters is that, like in most mainstream media, the whole business just feels forced, and stinks of tokenism.

I wish people would write the damn games in whatever way worked best for the story - some would have romance (of any kind), others wouldn't, in some major characters might be gay, in others not  - rather than this BS filling of a quota we have right now.

Though frankly, given how often we hear the "there are only so many zots/resources available when we make games" argument from them, I just wish Bioware would spend less time pandering to vocal minorities - including the people who are desperate for Bioware romances in general, and the even smaller susbet of people who want pointless gay romance in additional to pointless straight romance...

In DA2, I'd have happily traded all the worhless romance options for more companion quests involving Varric and Avelline. (who, ironically, I could never start anything with, but they were the only ones I might actually have wanted to...)

[Vindicis]

mmu1 wrote...

My problem with the way Bioware handles gay characters is that, like in most mainstream media, the whole business just feels forced, and stinks of tokenism.

I wish people would write the damn games in whatever way worked best for the story - some would have romance (of any kind), others wouldn't, in some major characters might be gay, in others not  - rather than this BS filling of a quota we have right now.

Though frankly, given how often we hear the "there are only so many zots/resources available when we make games" argument from them, I just wish Bioware would spend less time pandering to vocal minorities - including the people who are desperate for Bioware romances in general, and the even smaller susbet of people who want pointless gay romance in additional to pointless straight romance...

In DA2, I'd have happily traded all the worhless romance options for more companion quests involving Varric and Avelline. (who, ironically, I could never start anything with, but they were the only ones I might actually have wanted to...)

I could not agree with you more.  Bioware has been doing romances badly since the begining.  Please stop trying and move your talents elsewhere.

[Speakeasy13]

ostemanden wrote...

Leo, you should really spend more time, learning how to understand what is written instead of thinking you understand what was written.

Normal is what most people do. That is what the word means. A minority can do normal things, like eating, sleeping and having sex. That still makes them a minority.

Never said that what isn't normal is bad. I am simply saying it isn't the norm, and that it never will be. (talking purely about homosexuality here)

No person should be allowed to post his private sexual orientation/experience/prefference here. Simply because this is not a forum about that, it is a forum about games.
If you want to discuss sexuality I would recomend that you join a forum, that have that specific goal in mind.

You know what else normal ppl do? They ACCEPT homosexuals instead of hating on them.

If homosexual = minority, then homophobes = even bigger minority, and that's you.

[AedenHawke]

Gay is taking over the music industry and now game industry... . DUN DUN DUNNN DUNN
I joke..

[CubbieBlue66]

Anders being gay if you're playing a man and straight if you're playing a woman bothers me. Is it so much to ask to have well defined characters? Make him bi and I wouldn't care... just don't change the story on me every time it suits your purpose.

[Eclipse_9990]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Leo, you should really spend more time, learning how to understand what is written instead of thinking you understand what was written.

Normal is what most people do. That is what the word means. A minority can do normal things, like eating, sleeping and having sex. That still makes them a minority.

Never said that what isn't normal is bad. I am simply saying it isn't the norm, and that it never will be. (talking purely about homosexuality here)

No person should be allowed to post his private sexual orientation/experience/prefference here. Simply because this is not a forum about that, it is a forum about games.
If you want to discuss sexuality I would recomend that you join a forum, that have that specific goal in mind.

You know what else normal ppl do? They ACCEPT homosexuals instead of hating on them.

If homosexual = minority, then homophobes = even bigger minority, and that's you.

Not really... I think most people are homophobic their just not as loud about it. Just like alot of racists. I know alot of people who wouldnt knowingly discrimate on a minority, or anything bad like that but they do admit to having racist thoughts sometimes. Like the song goes.. Everyone's a little bit racist.. Just like everyone's a little bit homophobic... Except if you were gay.

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 27 mars 2011 - 07:03 .

[PirateT138]

Because it's thrown in my face and all of the male characters, except Varric, have strong feminine/gay overtones.

They overdid it.

[Mavkiel]

On reflection, I believe the problem is with all the romances. They all pretty much line up to fall into bed with you. This could have been easily solved by the player having to woo a character they want to romance. This could have been intentional with say Isabella, who was always like that, even in da1. *shrugs*

[Soulcheg]

That dialogue with Anders, jesus, it was all like -

"- C,mon, man, let me search your DEEP ROADS a little closer.
-  Ehhrrrmm.... No.
-  HOMOPHOBE!!!"

+10 Rivalry points.


That was really stupid.

[Disco Overlord]

Love the comic, but it's exaggerated.
I'm pretty sure after Tranquility, one of the first dialogue wheel options after he thanks you is a broken heart. My male Hawke just picked that, said something about keeping the relationship professional in a stern voice, conversation ends, and Anders didn't even take a rivalry hit (if I recall correctly...)
Even so the -10 rivalry hit was negligible, I brought Anders along for most of Act I and at the beginning of Act II he was locked in as friend already. Anders is the easiest companion to please by far.
Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this?

[Persephone]

Eudaemonium wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Mavkiel wrote...

It was just implemented kind of poorly. Dialog which is supposed to nix a romance is supposed to have a broken heart icon. I believe they failed to put that in. Folks didnt choose 'hostile' option when first approached by him and after that your sol unless you pick a rude option.

At least that's from what I gather. I play a female hawke, and just agree that he is unsuitable when he starts whining.

There IS a broken heart icon to reject him.

The other dialogue two had normal heart icons.

What is there not to understand?

I assume what most people complain about is that the broken heart option gives you +10 Rivalry. Basically it is impossible to earn Friendship in that conversation with either gender unless you flirt with him. To be honest, +10 Rivalry isn't really going to hurt any future friendship unless you weren't going for one anyway, in which case it might even be a boon. I fail to see any issues.

Rejection earning you rivalry is kinda normal. Rejection hurts and stings, no matter the orientation. You can gain those points back easily. Or, like me, enjoy Anders' rivalry path, it's quite fascinating, esp. as a mage.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Despair........So Delicious! Fear.........So Exhilarating! I drink in the tortured souls' screams on the Forum wall of the Faithless!

[Deylar]

Is it wrong to ask for a nuetral option?

[Zandilar]

ostemanden wrote...

I have homosexual friends, that actually agrees with me; the over the top, constantly flaunting and the sexual flamboyant homosexuals are ruining it for the majority of homosexuals, because you keep insisting on stuffing your own private sexual orientation down our throats.

STOP IT.

I know you said you were leaving this thread, but...

I have to live with having heterosexuality shoved down my throat all day every day. It's everywhere, you can't walk through a city without seeing it. You can't switch on your TV without seeing it, you can't listen to music without hearing about it. It's so pervasive that most people just don't see it.

Heterosexuals flaunt their sexuality all the freaking time. STOP IT!

Deylar wrote...

Is it wrong to ask for a nuetral option?

It's "neutral". And no, it's not wrong to ask for one.

Modifié par Zandilar, 28 mars 2011 - 01:47 .

[Mad-Max90]

Just a question if homosexuals are a minority how does that make heterosexuals a minority as well, not trying to hate on anybody, just trying to correct flawed logic

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

If bi is the majority, then ****** and hetero are minorities.

Going by DA2, bi is the majority.

[Sen4lifE]

Vindicis wrote...

You poor, dim, little sheep. You're hoisting Bioware on your shoulders, touting victory and freedom! It has NOTHING to do with caring for you or your choices, it's all about the design time. Easiest way to cut corners was to just make all romance options play out exactly the same no matter the sex. It's got nothing to do with finally stepping out of the dark ages to make you happy...Just another cost cutting measure to get the product on the shelves ASAP. Why not pat them on the back when they actually put some thought and effort into it?

Ummm... so wouldn't it have taken more time to create gay dialogue than to just not create it and leave in straight dialogue only?...

Your own logic fails you, horribly, Serah.

[Sen4lifE]

Deylar wrote...

I mean, yes, there was a broken heart expression as well. For me it had nothing to do with rivalry. For me it had to do with decent respect.
To tell someone to "**** off" basically that's what it sounded like to me when Hawke spoke. Just was poor in taste. I wish I had one nuetral option that didn't effect either opinion Anders had of me. A nuetral option that didn't effectt friendship or rivalry. I just didn't feel it was the right thing Hawke said and I just felt disrespectful. I don't feel like I have disrespected someone. And it isn't as said about the rivalry points. Its what has been said.

I think I made a thread about this. xD

[Sen4lifE]

metooyou wrote...


There's a difference between "including gay characters" in the game and outright throwing them in your face, DA:O for instance had Wade&Herren and I can still remember those two as they were funny and likeable Also you had a choice if you even want to take Zevran with you or burn him with fire and you could outright tell him that you're "not interested" and he'd drop it.
In DA2 your character goes ahead and flirts with both sexes no matter what you do (even on non-heart options like the mask etc. and you can't even tell because of the dialog-wheel), there's a brothel with 2/3 males and a transvestite you can only recognize after "engaging" and the companions are as refined as a steam locomotive in their flirting attempts. That comic isn't the only mention of it, here's another from a Reviewer for example: (see around 5:20 http://angryjoeshow....i-angry-review/ )
It's at times as subtle as running through the streets wearing only a g-string with a sign around your neck saying "I'm gay and you have to like me, deal with it!"
There were also a few more scenes in the game where I can only imagine the "fanction"-story-writers literally frothing from their mouths while implementing e.g.:

You're abosultely right though I think the transvestite thing in the brothel was for lulz.

I hated when my Hawke flirted with that elf dude in the brothel during a side quest when all I wanted to do was ask him questions about the quest.

It's bull****, your Hawke shouldn't flirt with anyone without you initiating it.  Haven't been far enough in to notice it more than once though I don't like other times where Hawke answers for me.  I mean I can see the point where it bases it off of how you usually respond but it should never flirt with anybody without you initiating it.  What if you find him/her repulsive?  It just really takes me out of the "building my character" idea.  I don't usually like comparing DA2 to DA:O, but I will never feel like Hawke is "my Hawke," I will only ever look at him as Hawke (unforunately like I look as Shepard as just Commander Shepard, an already made protagonist) in comparison to how I looked at my Warden as "mine."  My creation, my character, an extension of me.  Have not and unfortunately will not get that feeling from Dragon Age II, especially at moments when the control is taken from my character.