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[The Metalion]

I'm a straight, English speaking, non-religious, mature, inpolitically correct, adult white male.

Gayness is a turn-off for me.  I find it disgusting.  Lesbianism is a turn-on.  I find it arousing.

Call me what you will; homophobe, bigot, intolerant, whatever... I like what I like and I don't feel any need to justify it.

In a fantasy world; Gay = -2.  Straight = +1.  Lesbians = +2.

That's just the way it is. 

[Sen4lifE]

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

And I'm sure they are just as offended that you're flaunting your heterosexual elitist attitude.  I am straight myself and already I find you: repulsive, annoying, arrogant, ignorant, immature, rather idiotic, naive and sheltered.

Gee, way to score one for the heteros, huh?

You're an embarrasment.

GTFO please.

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 28 mars 2011 - 02:52 .

[Kusy]

Shhh Metalion, or some BioWare developer will... how did they said it? Crush you? Bah, something like that. Then they will talk about it in "gaming media" as if he said anything wise or interesting while doing so for two days.

[Sen4lifE]

ostemanden wrote...

22nd MadJack wrote...

ostemanden wrote...
Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal.
 

Considering Homosexuality has existed alongside Heterosexuality since the dawn of man, I'd consider it quite normal.

Conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal; "serve wine at normal room temperature"; "normal diplomatic relations"; "normal working hours"; "normal word order"; "normal curiosity"; "the normal course of events"

Hence, homosexuality will never be considered normal, untill the majority of the worlds population is homosexual. Just because there has always been people who deviated from the norm, does not make that deviance normal.

Actually there is a good Way to avoid this: Don´t read the Threads! Or did a bad bad ****** take ur Head, stuck something between ur eyelids, and sat u before ur computer, showing u the hatred Posts?? No? So why are u trolling around then?

You don´t seem to know, but Homos are human, like you and me, and they have the same rights to express their feelings about games and every other Topic here. 

If you can´t accept that fact, it´s YOU who is wrong here, not the Homosexuals...

Not really, because this is a gaming forum for gamers, not a sexual oriented forum about homosexuality, therefore when I come to this forum, I expect moderation and a certain code of conduct. For instance I expect this forum to be free from people hereunder homosexuals, defending their sexual rights, and flaunting their orientation in my face. In addition I also expect any life story about once private sexual preference/orientation, to be deleted from this forum. 

Rivalry +125
Kiss me you fool!!

Never!

Oh guyz, pls stop being so self-absorbed, If you read thru his post you'd realize that starting another debate (which his thread is turning into) isn't his original intent. He wanted to share his RL experience and what Bioware's action meant to him as an individual. How gay romance was handled is irrelevant and should be taken to the other existing debate threads. What we need is more encouragement for the OP, so that he can get offline reaffirmed that save for a few trolls, the vast majority of us out there do not judge ppl like him for what they are.

And if you are one of those said trolls, then you, yes you, messere, are a terrible person.

No he wanted to post his own sexual experience on a forum for games. He is now experiencing the consequence of this.
I am solely judging him for his use of medium, not his sexual orientation, I could not care less about what he likes to use his intestines for! 

Never in that definition did it say there must be a majority.  Logic fails you.

This will not get deleted, it is not violating the Terms of Conduct.  Just because it bothers you, does not mean it's against the ToC.  The ToC does not revolve around you, get over yourself.

You should totaly do it, even though you're not good enough.

Consequence?  Really I only see you starting the problem.  And posting your opinion about homosexuality is only invalidating your argument to not post about homosexuality.

   - - -   You have failed.  I believe you should step out from under your rock, learn what the real world is, and try getting an education to even begin debating aspects of human sexuality.

22nd MadJack wrote...

ostemanden wrote...
Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal.
 

Considering Homosexuality has existed alongside Heterosexuality since the dawn of man, I'd consider it quite normal.


Blurb I have posted elsewhere in regards to this.

Conflict brings drama, absence of conflict brings naught.  I'll tell you how homosexuality
should have been addressed.  Each romancible companion should have a default sexuality,
however have the possibility of being 'converted' through dialog and interaction.  I am against
set sexuality as I approve of maximising a players choice, however, everyone being
bisexual lacks conflict.  It's too easy, too untrue to life.  A person's sexuality is integral to their
character.

Something springs to mind when I think of this, BBC's Casanova.  In one episode the show's
namesake falls for an eunuch who he is convinced is a woman.  Then when he realises he is
mistaken he becomes utterly distraught.  However, in an incredibly powerful scene he admits
that he loves him and he doesn't care about gender.*  The role of Casanova in this example
would suit a straight companion who begins to care about the same sex main character.  Or
even possibly role playable by the main character.

Of course this is a less streamlined development cycle, but BioWare are all about pleasing
their player base ... right? 


*turns out he was a she in the end, but that's not the point.

Never even thought of that!  That'd have been a great idea!

Like,
one companion being a lesbian, and a femHawke could pursue a
relationship, as a maleHawke could convince her to give men a chance (I
know homosexuality is argued to be "genetic" and
this would be contested and flamed, however many homosexuals are
bisexual and from some reason wish only to be homosexual or prefer one
or the other.  In instances where perhaps a bisexual woman was abused by
a man so turned away from them however could still have a relationship
with a man if convinced [I'm not naive enough to believe this is so for
everyone, but it does happen, so it'd be kind of an interesting twist to
the gay/straight relationship thing. xD])

[wikkedjoker]

I have no problem with Zevran and Leliana, in Origins. there sexuality was apart of them, but didn't define them.

In Dragon Age 2 it seems more like the defining trait of Mr. Martian Luther Mage. I know everyone ****es about the first Romance conversation were there's no easy way to let him down. This is something that should'not have happened just because.If you wanna romance any-other character you must first initiate it, not have it thrown on you, that's just a bad design choice.

And I think Anders being gay is what's annoying a lot of people, not because hes gay, but because they made Anders gay. Don't take a pre-established character and change them as much as you do.

[Sen4lifE]

bucknut1007 wrote...

colex91 wrote...

 Alright now that I have your attention. I just wanted to point something out that has been bothering me..

Why all the controversy? We are in 2011 now, gay people are here forever, have been here forever, and will always be...Get used to it. I appreciate everything Bioware did for "us", they gained a lot of respect from me. I hope they continue to create gay relationships in other games, not just fem-fem.

How come the gay controversy didn't start when we had fem-fem in Mass Effect 1,2 and DA:O? Ohh, that's right cause it's okay!! it's hot!! No, it's just unfair. Zevran has been the only male-male relationship I have seen since I started playing video games. I have been playing games since NES. 

If they are really making you feel uncomfortable in the game...Turn them down? Don't pick conversation options with the heart Icon? Don't be overly nice in bad situations? Be real,get real.
 
I'm sure making this won't even matter, I live in a small town in the NC mountains, I know what it is like to be spit on,cussed, made fun of, for being who I am. The only thing that has gotten me through the anti-gay mess is a brighter future for acceptance. Bioware you took a step towards that in this game, you gained a loyal fan. Just know that the majority of us don't care about the bisexual relationships. It's just the select few ignorant people that attempt to make it seem like it is a big deal.  
I'm done ranting, signing off....
Loyal Gay Bioware Fan,Cole   Peace.

I will agree with you that Bioware should make gay romance options for both sexes. However I mean no offence to you, the OP or any other homosexuals that reply to this or any of the other topics on this but I am a homophobe. To rpeat I mean no offence to any of the gay members of this forum and do not want to start a flame war, it's just how I am.

Anyway back on topic. Bioware should make homosexual relationships for both sexes, but they do not need to make every rmancable character bi. That is just cheap. I know I can just say no to them but then I miss out on a part of the game. So Bioware learn from this and keep some of your romance options straight.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it."  - Patrick Henry

Really, you don't have to take to homosexuals.  Being a homophobe is fine as long as you're willing to accept that they're here and accept that they have an equality in unalienable rights, even if you were to find it repulsive enough to call it a phobia.

Also, I agree it was tacky to make everyone bisexual.  But I do think there should be an equal ammount of gays for each straight (maybe one gay on one gender, one straight on the other, and a bisexual for each gender? Then again, people would rage that there wasn't a second straight option for their gender.  Can't please everyone. xD)

[Sen4lifE]

Kryz wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Kryz wrote...

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

Oh, you poor repressed straight person, having to see all the ******'s everywhere, actually living their lives; in public, no less! How do you do it?

I'll GTFO when you STFU. 

This is not a forum for sharing sexual orientation or sexual experience, I signed up for this forum, to read about games. ******'s can flaunt their sexuality where it is appropriate!

News flash: heterosexuality is not any more appropriate than homosexuality. You signed up for a Canadian forum, where the two orientations are treated perfectly equally. So don't expect your own cultural assumptions to carry over and received the same respect. THIS is entire appropriate. Deal with it.

News flash, learn to read.
Peoples sexual experience and sexual orientation, should not be posted here on this forum. 
Ergo, this is not appropriate!

And yet you just posted yours, albeit offhandedly. Double-standard much?

Sexuality is mentioned everywhere, by straights and gays like, offhandedly or otherwise. Expecting not to see any references about homosexuals, especially on a forum about a game containing elements of sex, of ****** and hetero variety, is ridiculous.

Don't wanna see us? Too bad, we're pretty much everywhere; same as you heteros. And just as you all, most (I hope) feel no shame about casualy mentioning our preferences.

It is totally fine for him/her to flaunt it because he/she is a heterosexual. [/sarcastichypocracy]

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 28 mars 2011 - 03:17 .

[Kusy]

wikkedjoker wrote...

I have no problem with Zevran and Leliana, in Origins. there sexuality was apart of them, but didn't define them.

In Dragon Age 2 it seems more like the defining trait of Mr. Martian Luther Mage. I know everyone ****es about the first Romance conversation were there's no easy way to let him down. This is something that should'not have happened just because.If you wanna romance any-other character you must first initiate it, not have it thrown on you, that's just a bad design choice.

And I think Anders being gay is what's annoying a lot of people, not because hes gay, but because they made Anders gay. Don't take a pre-established character and change them as much as you do.

The funny thing is, playing Awakening - I was entirely sure that Anders was gay and never imagined him any other way... it was kind of... stereotypicaly obvious, wasn't it? The most gay looking clothes from the start, golden ear-rings, a kitten... come on?

[Deylar]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Deylar wrote...

I mean, yes, there was a broken heart expression as well. For me it had nothing to do with rivalry. For me it had to do with decent respect.
To tell someone to "**** off" basically that's what it sounded like to me when Hawke spoke. Just was poor in taste. I wish I had one nuetral option that didn't effect either opinion Anders had of me. A nuetral option that didn't effectt friendship or rivalry. I just didn't feel it was the right thing Hawke said and I just felt disrespectful. I don't feel like I have disrespected someone. And it isn't as said about the rivalry points. Its what has been said.

I think I made a thread about this. xD

Honestely. I had chosen the broken heart option when Anders came unto me. And I just felt rude. I felt isgusted with my Hawke characters. Because there were more decent ways of saying I don't want to be with you and not in that manner.

[Sen4lifE]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

ostemanden wrote...
Conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal; "serve wine at normal room temperature"; "normal diplomatic relations"; "normal working hours"; "normal word order"; "normal curiosity"; "the normal course of events"

Okay. So because there are currently more women than men on our planets, therefore being a men is not normal?
Or because there are more Asians than white and Africans, therefore you're not normal unless you're Asian?

All of those norms you mentioned, diplomatic relations, working hours & orders and such, apply to homosexuals just as heterosexuals where I live (I'm going to assume where you live as well), so of course they are normal. WTF you talking about?

Oh the irony of you brandish 'appropriateness' when you keep on throwing homophobic comments one after another. Keep it up, and I believe you're on the right track to get yourself banned on these forums.

Actually in the most recent statistic I've seen (I think the end of just last year) there was more men than women.

And yes, you're I wouldn't say not normal, but not casual, as casual (in my knowledge) is more defined by majority.  I saw a little video on the most "casual" person and it was an Asian male with a cell phone and they depicted their face from a few thousand samples and showed a few other things, it was interesting. xD

[wikkedjoker]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...

I have no problem with Zevran and Leliana, in Origins. there sexuality was apart of them, but didn't define them.

In Dragon Age 2 it seems more like the defining trait of Mr. Martian Luther Mage. I know everyone ****es about the first Romance conversation were there's no easy way to let him down. This is something that should'not have happened just because.If you wanna romance any-other character you must first initiate it, not have it thrown on you, that's just a bad design choice.

And I think Anders being gay is what's annoying a lot of people, not because hes gay, but because they made Anders gay. Don't take a pre-established character and change them as much as you do.

The funny thing is, playing Awakening - I was entirely sure that Anders was gay and never imagined him any other way... it was kind of... stereotypicaly obvious, wasn't it? The most gay looking clothes from the start, golden ear-rings, a kitten... come on?

Um, he spent most the game hitting on every chick in your party. Hell he's hits on a statue of Andraste. His one gole in life was: "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." just sayin. 
 

[wikkedjoker]

Deylar wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Deylar wrote...

I mean, yes, there was a broken heart expression as well. For me it had nothing to do with rivalry. For me it had to do with decent respect.
To tell someone to "**** off" basically that's what it sounded like to me when Hawke spoke. Just was poor in taste. I wish I had one nuetral option that didn't effect either opinion Anders had of me. A nuetral option that didn't effectt friendship or rivalry. I just didn't feel it was the right thing Hawke said and I just felt disrespectful. I don't feel like I have disrespected someone. And it isn't as said about the rivalry points. Its what has been said.

I think I made a thread about this. xD

Honestely. I had chosen the broken heart option when Anders came unto me. And I just felt rude. I felt isgusted with my Hawke characters. Because there were more decent ways of saying I don't want to be with you and not in that manner.

Yeah, and than Anders is like okay professorial.  Like just being friends is not enough for him. 

[Sen4lifE]

Jman5 wrote...

Anders sometimes just borders on harassment. 

I think this sums it up nicely. For those who wanted to RP as a mr nice guy, there wasn't really an option to "friend-zone" him. I like playing the rude jerk, so it doesn't bother me personally, but I can understand where the consternation comes from. This doesn't automatically turn you into a homophobe if you felt that the chat choices were limiting in that scene.

Where were you when my thread was getting attention? xD

I actually first saw this comic on my thread.. I think it was created for it. xD

[elearon1]

I went through the effort of romancing him with my femHawke, then dumped him and basically told him I'd been using him for sex. He cried like a girl and ran from my house ... I did feel a little bad afterwords. (but since I was just sleeping with him to get back at Isabela, I guess my character deserved to feel bad)

[Deylar]

wikkedjoker wrote...
Yeah, and than Anders is like okay professorial.  Like just being friends is not enough for him.

Exactly.

[Sen4lifE]

wikkedjoker wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...

I have no problem with Zevran and Leliana, in Origins. there sexuality was apart of them, but didn't define them.

In Dragon Age 2 it seems more like the defining trait of Mr. Martian Luther Mage. I know everyone ****es about the first Romance conversation were there's no easy way to let him down. This is something that should'not have happened just because.If you wanna romance any-other character you must first initiate it, not have it thrown on you, that's just a bad design choice.

And I think Anders being gay is what's annoying a lot of people, not because hes gay, but because they made Anders gay. Don't take a pre-established character and change them as much as you do.

The funny thing is, playing Awakening - I was entirely sure that Anders was gay and never imagined him any other way... it was kind of... stereotypicaly obvious, wasn't it? The most gay looking clothes from the start, golden ear-rings, a kitten... come on?

Um, he spent most the game hitting on every chick in your party. Hell he's hits on a statue of Andraste. His one gole in life was: "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." just sayin.
 

I must full-heartedly agree and I believe anyone who takes the time to read/listen to Anders' party dialogue will conclude that Anders was heterosexual in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening.  I don't say that homophobically, but sorry, the man was straight. As he said, he only wanted to settle down with a woman.  If he was gay, he would have said man, if he was bi, BioWare would have had him say something like ". . . or a man," like they do with Zevran.

Soz if you disagree, the man was straight in DA:O-A, him being bisexual in DA2 is a retcon for making LIs compatible to everyone.

However, this makes his previous sexuality entirely irrelevant as he is bisexual because of that retcon.

Just to keep consistancy, I think there should have been a bit of a.. transition when you pursue him in a gay relationship in DA2, not him just being so flamboyant.

It just didn't fit right.  And I don't think Justice would have an affect on his sexuality, I don't think spirits can be gay, straight or bi.

However, I do still believe he should have been a romance option for both if they're going to make him a romance option.  Anders was a cool guy, if a dude wants to get in his pants, who can blame him?

[Zandilar]

wikkedjoker wrote...
Um, he spent most the game hitting on every chick in your party. Hell he's hits on a statue of Andraste. His one gole in life was: "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." just sayin. 

I'll just preface this by saying I have not actually finished Awakening. I think I got about a third of the way through before I put it aside.

The way you put it, wikkedjoker, it sounds like Anders was trying to make up for something. Hits on anything female, including a statue? Honestly? (Have I Mentioned I'm Heterosexual Today?)

Anyway, to cut away from discussion of Anders specifically, a lot of people think they're one sexuality but eventually come out as another. There are many examples of otherwise striaght people ending up in same sex relationships, and there are probably just as many going the other way, too. The truth is "Gay", "Straight", "Lesbian", or "Bisexual" are just labels. They're about as accurate as any label... Like the jar with the Vegemite label that I used to use to store my pens in. Sure, the jar said Vegemite, but I'm pretty sure my biros and felt-tips and pencils weren't actually Vegemite.

Sexuality might not be a choice, but it's not a binary either/or propsition either.

Modifié par Zandilar, 28 mars 2011 - 03:59 .

[Chaos_1001]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Jman5 wrote...

Anders sometimes just borders on harassment. 

I think this sums it up nicely. For those who wanted to RP as a mr nice guy, there wasn't really an option to "friend-zone" him. I like playing the rude jerk, so it doesn't bother me personally, but I can understand where the consternation comes from. This doesn't automatically turn you into a homophobe if you felt that the chat choices were limiting in that scene.

Where were you when my thread was getting attention? xD

I actually first saw this comic on my thread.. I think it was created for it. xD

This picture fairly sums up the entire thread and on the other thread I gave it a 10 / 10 there as well, hehe.

[Sen4lifE]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Jman5 wrote...

Anders sometimes just borders on harassment. 

I think this sums it up nicely. For those who wanted to RP as a mr nice guy, there wasn't really an option to "friend-zone" him. I like playing the rude jerk, so it doesn't bother me personally, but I can understand where the consternation comes from. This doesn't automatically turn you into a homophobe if you felt that the chat choices were limiting in that scene.

Where were you when my thread was getting attention? xD

I actually first saw this comic on my thread.. I think it was created for it. xD

This picture fairly sums up the entire thread and on the other thread I gave it a 10 / 10 there as well, hehe.

Haha yes, it definitely was a work of art. : D

[Sabariel]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Jman5 wrote...

Anders sometimes just borders on harassment. 

I think this sums it up nicely. For those who wanted to RP as a mr nice guy, there wasn't really an option to "friend-zone" him. I like playing the rude jerk, so it doesn't bother me personally, but I can understand where the consternation comes from. This doesn't automatically turn you into a homophobe if you felt that the chat choices were limiting in that scene.

Where were you when my thread was getting attention? xD

I actually first saw this comic on my thread.. I think it was created for it. xD

Use the "neutral heart" (middle slot) when Anders first hits on you. No rivlary points, no being a dick to Anders, and no ghey relationship. Voila.

[colex91]

Maybe anders was just in the closet and when he met Karl he stopped playing the charade.

[MaximusPhoenix]

ostemanden wrote...

Considering that homosexuality is a deviance, something not normal. I find it offensive that I have to be confronted by it all the time. I am not marching down to homosexual bars/meeting places and insisting on them listening to me, yet I feel forced to listen to all your homosexual crap, that you are constantly spewing.
Am I offended by the choice in game to have a homosexual relationship?
Absolutely not!

I am offended by the real life homosexuals flaunting their sexuality all over the place, now even gaming forums.

GTFO please.

Wow, I'm not even going to touch this with a 15 foot pole, your post is just way too easy to flame.

[MaximusPhoenix]

Modifié par MaximusPhoenix, 28 mars 2011 - 05:11 .