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[patcheeboy]

if there is a DA3 im not going neasr it until i read reviews and play a demo to ensure it isnt another boring midless action "rpg"
how awesome is getting hit by a dagger and being thrown across the room like a kodiak bear with a baseball bat smacked you?

[Dragoonlordz]

Vixvis wrote...

idk DA2 sold pretty fast nd got alot of great reviews,just because theres a buncha complaining PC nerds dont mean anything, as far as i know and i know this for a fact DA2 isnt the last game in the series they are gonna expand this franchise until their very last penny whether or not DA@ does good or bad.......In my Opinion this DA2 is almost better in evry aspect than DAO and is definetly the best game on the market for me right now.

You people do my head in big time, ignorance is bliss for some it seems. Stop assuming anyone who doesn't like the game is either a) an old fart/PC nerd or troll/hater/idiot.
 

[XX55XX]

expanding panic wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Bioware might use this as an excuse for a longer Dev Time that EA will be oblidged to give them.

Why do so many people make the excuse for Bioware that it is Ea's fault for a bad game. Ea does not own Bioware. Bioware is it's own company and they make their own decisions. Ea is the developer Bioware created the game. So it's Biowares fault not Ea. Ea could put a little pressure by asking when will it be done but in the end Bioware said "Yea its a good game lets send it out" 

Wrong. BioWare is an EA subsidiary. EA owns BioWare. They employ Laidlaw, Gaider, etc. directly. They can set schedules.

I think EA did push BioWare to release a DA title in x months.

[Kail Ashton]

I've yet to see any link to prove any of LanceX2 bullcrap, this stinks of troll baitng you sheep to simply whine about the same tired out crap, any podium to vent your whining seems to be all it takes for you people hey?

[MrTijger]

Well, perhaps the haters will win and the Dragon Age universe will end with DA 2. I mean, that's what you're all hoping for, right?

Or does anyone think that subpar sales will lead to more money being pumped into the franchise? Really? How peculiar...

[TJSolo]

MrTijger wrote...

Well, perhaps the haters will win and the Dragon Age universe will end with DA 2. I mean, that's what you're all hoping for, right?

Or does anyone think that subpar sales will lead to more money being pumped into the franchise? Really? How peculiar...

Business is business, nothing personal.

[Elite Midget]

XX55XX wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Bioware might use this as an excuse for a longer Dev Time that EA will be oblidged to give them.

Why do so many people make the excuse for Bioware that it is Ea's fault for a bad game. Ea does not own Bioware. Bioware is it's own company and they make their own decisions. Ea is the developer Bioware created the game. So it's Biowares fault not Ea. Ea could put a little pressure by asking when will it be done but in the end Bioware said "Yea its a good game lets send it out" 

Wrong. BioWare is an EA subsidiary. EA owns BioWare. They employ Laidlaw, Gaider, etc. directly. They can set schedules.

I think EA did push BioWare to release a DA title in x months.

I'm surprised another understands how the industry works.

[MrTijger]

TJSolo wrote...

Business is business, nothing personal.

Indeed, and a lot of folks here seem to think that buying a game entitles them to have a direct control over the design and personnel decisions of games even. Very peculiar that.

[RaenImrahl]

Unfortunately, most sales projections for games come from brokerage houses and financial institutions that require some sort of subscription to get that data... they don't give it out for free. What little I have seen quoted online (and I don't recall the exact websites off hand) projected sales of 2.5 and 3.25 million copies (across all platforms and media) in the *first six months*.

So, to use a cliche... it's a marathon, not a sprint. While we (especially in the US) like a the instant gratification of declaring winners and losers (movie box office openings, presidential approval ratings)... the investment world (and that's the world EA exists in, make no mistake) takes a much broader outlook.

I think there will be a DA3, though what form and when, and of what quality is up in the air.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 26 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Speaking about "rushed"... Money is also a concern. Would it be possible to create DA3 in a year or 2? YES - but only if EA will make it's budget exceptionally large.

Willing to discuss what will define the budget of DA3?

[RaenImrahl]

XX55XX wrote...

Wrong. BioWare is an EA subsidiary. EA owns BioWare. They employ Laidlaw, Gaider, etc. directly. They can set schedules.

I think EA did push BioWare to release a DA title in x months.

Most certainly.   They wanted a big launch in the first quarter of 2011, and they wanted to capitalize on the success of Origins sooner rather than later with a multi-media push... DA2, Facebook, merchandizing, the rumored animated movie.  EA is in it with Dragon Age for the long haul.

[RaenImrahl]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Speaking about "rushed"... Money is also a concern. Would it be possible to create DA3 in a year or 2? YES - but only if EA will make it's budget exceptionally large.

Willing to discuss what will define the budget of DA3?

Consider, as an alternative, what Apple does with iPhones... or better... what Mozilla plans to do with Firefox.  Firefox 4.0, just released, has been in development for more than a year... very painful, public development.  Mozilla's already announced plans to release Firefox 5 and 6 in 2011.  They're going to release incrimental updates and brand them as new iterations of the browser.

That's why I think we'll see DA3 in relatively short order.  Depsite some of the concerns over structure and level recycling, the core engine of the game is sound and actually works well in DA2, at least on PC.  So I can see them pushing a DA3 within a year's time span... perhaps at the sacrifice of a true expansion pack for DA2, as Awakening was for Origins.

[MrTijger]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Speaking about "rushed"... Money is also a concern. Would it be possible to create DA3 in a year or 2? YES - but only if EA will make it's budget exceptionally large.

Willing to discuss what will define the budget of DA3?

Thats way too simple, assembling a team of people who work together effectively is not accomplished by simply giving them a bigger budget. First of all the manpower available is finite, hiring new people also means training them and that slow production down initially, there are no quick fixes by giving them more money with these kind of projects imho.

[tfcreative]

There's another angle not being considered here: think about the bottom line for EA. Without real numbers, let's just suppose that DA2 only moves half the volume that DAO did. DA2 was developed in one quarter of the time, likely at a much lower cost. The bottom line for DA2 might yet be better, telling management that this is the way to do it. There's every possibility of a DA3 that goes further down this same road.

[TJSolo]

MrTijger wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Business is business, nothing personal.

Indeed, and a lot of folks here seem to think that buying a game entitles them to have a direct control over the design and personnel decisions of games even. Very peculiar that.

Funny as I thought that was the purpose of the feedback Bioware asked for in this forum, well without the "direct control" bit.

[legitimatebusiness]

nedpepper wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Vixvis wrote...

idk DA2 sold pretty fast nd got alot of great reviews,just because theres a buncha complaining PC nerds dont mean anything, as far as i know and i know this for a fact DA2 isnt the last game in the series they are gonna expand this franchise until their very last penny whether or not DA@ does good or bad.......In my Opinion this DA2 is almost better in evry aspect than DAO and is definetly the best game on the market for me right now.

I think the fact that so many of the people defending DA2 over DA:O can't even formulate a grammatically correct, properly annuciated sentence really says alot about its target audience... Really Bioware? You think they have more money to spend than us?

If you're going to attack someone's grammar,  it's not "alot."  It's actually two words.  A lot. 

Come on, Bioware, are you really going to listen to these negative whiners?  You think they have more money to spend than us?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[MrTijger]

tfcreative wrote...

There's another angle not being considered here: think about the bottom line for EA. Without real numbers, let's just suppose that DA2 only moves half the volume that DAO did. DA2 was developed in one quarter of the time, likely at a much lower cost. The bottom line for DA2 might yet be better, telling management that this is the way to do it. There's every possibility of a DA3 that goes further down this same road.

Thats a big supposition, the cost of both might have been the same after all, we do not know how many people worked full time on DAO over the 4.5 years of its creation so unless you actually have data on that there is no way to quantify that. Working on something for 4 years with 2 people or 1 year with 8 is pretty equal after all.

I assume EA has a financial expectation for DA 2 and much will depend on whether that will be met, exceeded or if it falls short. Given that EA is a public company their next earnings report will give an insight into this.

[Lord Gremlin]

RaenImrahl wrote...
  Depsite some of the concerns over structure and level recycling, the core engine of the game is sound and actually works well in DA2, at least on PC.  So I can see them pushing a DA3 within a year's time span... perhaps at the sacrifice of a true expansion pack for DA2, as Awakening was for Origins.

Engine is fine on PS3 as well. Actually, since they can just use this very engine for DA3... I suppose this facilitates the whole process.

And speaking of money - when you have loads of it you can, for example, hire a large mo-cap studio and have loads of specific animations produced. 

[MrTijger]

TJSolo wrote...

Funny as I thought that was the purpose of the feedback Bioware asked for in this forum, well without the "direct control" bit.

Uh...since that direct control is what various people here are asking for I think you either missed my point or simply chose to ignore it.

Saying someone should be fired is, I expect, not exactly the feedback they were looking for. Besides that, the feedback from this forum is only part of their information flow.

[HTTP 404]

I dont want DA2 to tank but i dont think they deserve nearly as much as DA:O. Hopefully this puts some careful consideration into making a good DA3. Then again, EA could scrap this project.

[ginzaen]

miltos33 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Digital downloads make up a large part of sales nowadays, but apparently still aren't counted.

True, market research shows that digital downloads account for more than 60% of PC sales but official data is never published.

i know it drives me mad- not saying it would impact da2 overly much- but would show the amount pc gaming sells as a whole as i spend quite a reasonable amount on steam each year..  But i still think they were be dlc/expansion for da2.

Modifié par ginzaen, 27 mars 2011 - 12:12 .

[Volourn]

DA2 is already over 2mil copies sold. Trust me on this.