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[AkiKishi]

Volourn wrote...

DA2 is already over 2mil copies sold. Trust me on this.

Lack of splash ads would suggest otherwise.

[RaenImrahl]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Volourn wrote...

DA2 is already over 2mil copies sold. Trust me on this.

Lack of splash ads would suggest otherwise.

Ads for the game, or ads for the success (sales volume) of the game?

[AkiKishi]

RaenImrahl wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Volourn wrote...

DA2 is already over 2mil copies sold. Trust me on this.

Lack of splash ads would suggest otherwise.

Ads for the game, or ads for the success (sales volume) of the game?

The latter, they love to print it when the game break a million in a week or whatever.

It's probably around a million by now, but that's not that impressive for a AAA title after 3 weeks.

[TJSolo]

MrTijger wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Funny as I thought that was the purpose of the feedback Bioware asked for in this forum, well without the "direct control" bit.

Uh...since that direct control is what various people here are asking for I think you either missed my point or simply chose to ignore it.

Saying someone should be fired is, I expect, not exactly the feedback they were looking for. Besides that, the feedback from this forum is only part of their information flow.

So you see troll threads as representative of the bulk of critism threads. Go to know you are keeping everything in the proper light.

[ExiledMimic]

Filament wrote...

LanceX2 wrote...

Well. it seems sales are nearing 1 million and Im not sure if any of the PC sales ive seen have digital downloads included(.22mil).

It seems sales took a 30% nosedive after week one. They wanted 4.5 mill but I doubt DA 2 is going to hit two million.

I for one will be sad if this bombs too much. I want more dragon age and I love the games and story of the games and really want to see more of the world and all the questions answered and ended. Flemeth, Morrigan ETC.

I pray we get a DA3 but a DA3 we deserve.

I would like to see a DA3 that isn't so rushed either, but... one "we deserve"? Uhm, no, I can't get on board with that. Sounds way too entitlement-y to me.

Yer missing the POINT!  He wants a 4th class.  The class we deserve, not the one we need.  BATMAN!

Seriously though the game blew out of the water because of Origins hype and once the fan reviews blew around a little people don't want the game.  Reselling it at Gamestop or any of a thousand other places is it's major seller right now for platforms.  When I went back to work after finishing the game I noticed... we haven't sold a single copy in 2 weeks now.  Despite having a sale on it (for a free gift card with purchase).  The outlook for DA3 is still solid, but I wouldn't be shocked if it got rushed out the door too to gain some quick cash.

[PinkShoes]

Like to see where you got your info.

Anyway, i bet there will be and i bet they will always work a lot harder on DA3. now im not dissing DA2, i honnestly do love this game BUT it has downfalls that i truely can not over look. I can overlook the downfalls to Origins because wow it was an amazing game and while i look at DAO as a seperate game from DA2 i will obviously still compare the two even if not a sequal.

The things i hope, dear marker i hope, they bring back is that amazing character interaction. Hate how its done here. Sometimes in DAO i simply just didnt want to fight i wanted to get to know my party members i cant do that in DA2 which is odd because i feel like here there is more of an optiunity to have those deep convasations with your party members, get to know them more, their story. But you cant. In the whole game you talk to your party members like what, 5 times each and not even when you want to. At one point i didnt even know who i was romanced with and if i want to break up with someone i cant. The story also was okay, it wasnt terrible but it wasnt great and i honnestly do understand when people say it feels like a lot of side quests.

I dont mind that they didnt bring back the races but i do think they should bring back a CHOICE. Like even your job,  or something along those lines. I think they should get more than just one voice actor for your main character or allow you the option to not even have a voice. I love the female voice simply because its pretty generic the males voice isnt so i find it hard to play him. I dont hate his voice i do like it but i feel liek i have to play a certain way when i play as a male.

I have said this before and i will say it again. If DAO and DA2 were one game it would be amazing. The story the character interaction with the amazing and so much more enjoyable and rewarding combat systerm and improved graphics.

DAO is probably my favouite game of all time. DA2 is a good game. I want DA3 to be an amazing outstanding game. So i hope Bioware realise their mistakes and the things they did right. Bring back some things and keep others.

Honestly, i think there will be a DA3 but i think we wont see one for about 3-4 years. Which is okay with me as long as the game is great and not just good.

[DrGulag]

There's another angle not being considered here: think about the bottom line for EA. Without real numbers, let's just suppose that DA2 only moves half the volume that DAO did. DA2 was developed in one quarter of the time, likely at a much lower cost. The bottom line for DA2 might yet be better, telling management that this is the way to do it. There's every possibility of a DA3 that goes further down this same road.

I doubt  you need to worry about that.

EA's shareholders are in all likelihood not really interested if the company is making a minor profit from games like Dragon Age. The most important thing is the stock and if there's a general perception that EA's product quality is going down the toilet and major releases are not received well after aggressive marketing campaigns, heads will roll.

But at the moment this is all speculation. Mass Effect 3 will probably be the thing that makes or breaks this partnership between Bioware and EA. If pre-orders are not coming in by the bucket loads, questions will be asked.

Modifié par DrGulag, 27 mars 2011 - 01:06 .

[neppakyo]

DrGulag wrote...

There's another angle not being considered here: think about the bottom line for EA. Without real numbers, let's just suppose that DA2 only moves half the volume that DAO did. DA2 was developed in one quarter of the time, likely at a much lower cost. The bottom line for DA2 might yet be better, telling management that this is the way to do it. There's every possibility of a DA3 that goes further down this same road.

I doubt  you need to worry about that.

EA's shareholders are in all likelihood not really interested if the company is making a minor profit from games like Dragon Age. The most important thing is the stock and if there's a general perception that EA's product quality is going down the toilet and major releases are not received well after aggressive marketing campaigns, heads will roll.

But at the moment this is all speculation. Mass Effect 3 will probably be the thing that makes or breaks this partnership between Bioware and EA. If pre-orders are not coming in by the bucket loads, questions will be asked.

On the pre-order bit for ME3.. after DA2 I will not pre-order ME3. They will have to have a very good enticement to even make me think about it. Like a cheaper price than DA2. Maybe $49 or less for the 'collectors edition' with some nice packaging, loads of artwork books, perhaps a ME paperback novel, and no schitty day 1 DLC's.

As for the mythical DA3? Thats a definite loud mutha effin' NO on pre-order. I will wait 2-4 weeks AFTER the mythical DA3 is released to see if its worth buying. aka, nothing like DA2.

[Merci357]

But at the moment this is all speculation. Mass Effect 3 will probably be the thing that makes or breaks this partnership between Bioware and EA. If pre-orders are not coming in by the bucket loads, questions will be asked.

I don't think ME3 makes or breaks the BioWare/EA relationship, I think The Old Republic does. My guess would be, they (EA) always wanted a fair share of the MMO market, and acquired BW to develop one. If things go very badly, just take a look at what's left of Mythic.

That said, regarding the topic, I don't think sales are everything to look at. Budget vs. sales is the interesting number. If DA:O sold 4,5 mio. copies, but was in development for 5 years, but DA2 manages to sell 2 mio. but was in development for 18 month, what game made a higher profit? It's all speculation, since we don't know the budget behind DA:O or DA2, but still, while 2 mio. might not be the magic number they were shooting at, it might not be a desaster either.

If they made money with this, there will be a sequel. If not, then there won't be one. Given that they already talked about a possible Jade Empire 2, right after the DA2 release, maybe they leave the DA franchise for good, who knows?

[DrGulag]

I don't think ME3 makes or breaks the BioWare/EA relationship, I think The Old Republic does.

Oh I completely forgot about that. EA and MMO's, bloody hell.

That one is definitely going to end in tears if it's anything similar to Ultima Online. I'll never forgive EA for all those horrendous decisions....

Well technically I did since I continued to pay that monthly fee for waaaaay too long.

If they made money with this, there will be a sequel. If not, then
there won't be one. Given that they already talked about a possible Jade
Empire 2, right after the DA2 release, maybe they leave the DA
franchise for good, who knows?

That's obviously a possibility. They might try something completely different regardless. It's not like DA:O even needed a sequel had they removed Morrigan's "dark promise" from the picture. The whole world worked as a standalone release, kudos to Bioware.

Modifié par DrGulag, 27 mars 2011 - 01:53 .

[colata]

BobSmith101 wrote...

DA3 could go two ways.

1. A re-think and a real attempt at correction.
2. A cash in before lights out.

I WILL GO WITH 2.

IT'S MORE PLAUSIBLE.

yeah, you want the ev idence? you already have them on your hard drive.

1. streamlined content 
2. majority of dev resources put into SW : TOR:police:

I am not being cynical or anything, it's the truth.
don't misunderstand my point, I am not being cynical.
I am trying to be factual.

Modifié par colata, 27 mars 2011 - 02:22 .

[AgenTBC]

God it's this thread again.

There is no evidence whatsoever that DA2 is selling worse than DAO. In fact, it appears to be selling slightly better. I realize there are some people who badly want to see DA2 fail but lying about it doesn't help your cause. Did DA2's sales fall 30% in the second week? I'm sure they did. You know why? Because virtually all game sales fall at least that much after the first week. DAO's sales certainly fell in the second week. That's how these things work.

[Schurge]

Vixvis wrote...

idk DA2 sold pretty fast nd got alot of great reviews,just because theres a buncha complaining PC nerds dont mean anything, as far as i know and i know this for a fact DA2 isnt the last game in the series they are gonna expand this franchise until their very last penny whether or not DA@ does good or bad.......In my Opinion this DA2 is almost better in evry aspect than DAO and is definetly the best game on the market for me right now.

I wonder why people who actually liked Dragon Age: Origins are looked down upon by console gamers who didn't, and love DAII. Dragon Age is supposed to be a PC game. Dragon Age: Origins was designed for the PC (DAII obviously for the console), I think we, the original target audience, shouldn't be written off as little cry babies by console gamers who didn't like the original.

Modifié par Schurge, 27 mars 2011 - 02:16 .

[neppakyo]

Schurge wrote...

I wonder why people who actually liked Dragon Age: Origins are looked down upon by console gamers who didn't, and love DAII. Dragon Age is supposed to be a PC game. Dragon Age: Origins was designed for the PC (DAII obviously for the console), I think we, the original target audience, shouldn't be written off as little cry babies by console gamers who didn't like the original.

I approve ™

[BanksHector]

Schurge wrote...

Vixvis wrote...

idk DA2 sold pretty fast nd got alot of great reviews,just because theres a buncha complaining PC nerds dont mean anything, as far as i know and i know this for a fact DA2 isnt the last game in the series they are gonna expand this franchise until their very last penny whether or not DA@ does good or bad.......In my Opinion this DA2 is almost better in evry aspect than DAO and is definetly the best game on the market for me right now.

I wonder why people who actually liked Dragon Age: Origins are looked down upon by console gamers who didn't, and love DAII. Dragon Age is supposed to be a PC game. Dragon Age: Origins was designed for the PC (DAII obviously for the console), I think we, the original target audience, shouldn't be written off as little cry babies by console gamers who didn't like the original.

I like the first one and the second one, but if you are looked down upon, it is because of how you respond to something or you attitude in general. It has very little to do with you being a pc player.

[Vicious]

When they announce DA2 DLC I will believe they can do DA3.

As of now, however, I doubt it. TOR and Mass Effect 3 for the win

[Schurge]

BanksHector wrote...

Schurge wrote...

Vixvis wrote...

idk DA2 sold pretty fast nd got alot of great reviews,just because theres a buncha complaining PC nerds dont mean anything, as far as i know and i know this for a fact DA2 isnt the last game in the series they are gonna expand this franchise until their very last penny whether or not DA@ does good or bad.......In my Opinion this DA2 is almost better in evry aspect than DAO and is definetly the best game on the market for me right now.

I wonder why people who actually liked Dragon Age: Origins are looked down upon by console gamers who didn't, and love DAII. Dragon Age is supposed to be a PC game. Dragon Age: Origins was designed for the PC (DAII obviously for the console), I think we, the original target audience, shouldn't be written off as little cry babies by console gamers who didn't like the original.

I like the first one and the second one, but if you are looked down upon, it is because of how you respond to something or you attitude in general. It has very little to do with you being a pc player.

I mean our very legitimate opinions are being looked down upon, as if we must have some gaul to be upset about this 'obviously superior' game. I get the feeling that people who liked Origins and were at the least disappointed with DAII are seen as children.

Modifié par Schurge, 27 mars 2011 - 02:29 .

[nopho]

Merci357 wrote...
That said, regarding the topic, I don't think sales are everything to look at. Budget vs. sales is the interesting number. If DA:O sold 4,5 mio. copies, but was in development for 5 years, but DA2 manages to sell 2 mio. but was in development for 18 month, what game made a higher profit? It's all speculation, since we don't know the budget behind DA:O or DA2, but still, while 2 mio. might not be the magic number they were shooting at, it might not be a desaster either.
Jade Empire 2, right after the DA2 release, maybe they leave the DA franchise for good, who knows?

EA wouldn't be where they are now if they were full of stupid people, if DA2 sells less than DA:O people will start worring.
actually even equal sales will make people notice as DA2 was supposed to be "more user friendly" or "better cut for the market"
plus DA:O already made a name for the Dragon Age franchise creating a fanbase, so it -should- be sales= 90or95% of DA:O fans + x.

sure DA2 could be a bigger success than DA:O in pure numbers, but with an eye on sustainability of such a cash cow as DA could be (i mean final fantasy got what? like a bazillion different games with it's name on it?) less sales make people look up.
(plus bad DA2 sales will damage the sales of DA3, as you can see on the preorders of DA2, every game is also promotion for the next one and i bet DA2 got a much much higher advertising budget than DA:O also looking that it will help an possible DA3)


what i think is going to happen:
i am 95% sure there will be a DA3, i -guess- EA/Bioware know that they screwed up but they cannot admit it yet, if they say aything like that in the next time they can as good just stop selling the game. they will see how good DA2 sells in the next weeks an then advertise DA3 somehow like "deeper than everything before" or "every choice matters as it shapes the world" or they will go deeper down the road of the god of war series...but i don't want to think that thought to an end, i had such a nice day till now.

[BanksHector]

Schurge wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

Schurge wrote...

Vixvis wrote...

idk DA2 sold pretty fast nd got alot of great reviews,just because theres a buncha complaining PC nerds dont mean anything, as far as i know and i know this for a fact DA2 isnt the last game in the series they are gonna expand this franchise until their very last penny whether or not DA@ does good or bad.......In my Opinion this DA2 is almost better in evry aspect than DAO and is definetly the best game on the market for me right now.

I wonder why people who actually liked Dragon Age: Origins are looked down upon by console gamers who didn't, and love DAII. Dragon Age is supposed to be a PC game. Dragon Age: Origins was designed for the PC (DAII obviously for the console), I think we, the original target audience, shouldn't be written off as little cry babies by console gamers who didn't like the original.

I like the first one and the second one, but if you are looked down upon, it is because of how you respond to something or you attitude in general. It has very little to do with you being a pc player.

I mean our very legitimate opinions are being looked down upon, as if we must have some gaul to be upset about this 'obviously superior' game. I get the feeling that people who liked Origins and were at the least disappointed with DAII are seen as children.

For a Pc gamer, I am sure there is more reason to be upset with the game then if you are like me and play it on a console. I figure there are people that play on console that liked Origins, and are disappointed with DAII. It is sad if you feel this way, but at least one console player does respect your opinion, and I am sorry for taking what you said the wrong way.

Modifié par BanksHector, 27 mars 2011 - 02:37 .

[thebatmanreborn]

LanceX2 wrote...

Well. it seems sales are nearing 1 million and Im not sure if any of the PC sales ive seen have digital downloads included(.22mil).

It seems sales took a 30% nosedive after week one. They wanted 4.5 mill but I doubt DA 2 is going to hit two million.

I for one will be sad if this bombs too much. I want more dragon age and I love the games and story of the games and really want to see more of the world and all the questions answered and ended. Flemeth, Morrigan ETC.

I pray we get a DA3 but a DA3 we deserve.

Sales are at 921,405 and I do not believe that includes digital sales.  So it is very likely that after two weeks in stores that DA2 broke 1 million in sales.  Not bad although sales on the Xbox 360 did take a 32% drop in its second week.  If the game gets patched well along with quality DLC, it will likely break 2 million and then some.  So, DA3 is highly likely.  However, quality will be a major issue in determining if the franchise lasts after that.

P.s. DA2 is currently edging out DAO after two weeks in stores (in comparison to where they were then).  DAO also had a 30% drop in sales in its second week.  Just reporting the numbers.  

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/






 

Modifié par thebatmanreborn, 27 mars 2011 - 03:03 .

[neppakyo]

BanksHector wrote...

Schurge wrote...

BanksHector wrote...

Schurge wrote...

Vixvis wrote...

idk DA2 sold pretty fast nd got alot of great reviews,just because theres a buncha complaining PC nerds dont mean anything, as far as i know and i know this for a fact DA2 isnt the last game in the series they are gonna expand this franchise until their very last penny whether or not DA@ does good or bad.......In my Opinion this DA2 is almost better in evry aspect than DAO and is definetly the best game on the market for me right now.

I wonder why people who actually liked Dragon Age: Origins are looked down upon by console gamers who didn't, and love DAII. Dragon Age is supposed to be a PC game. Dragon Age: Origins was designed for the PC (DAII obviously for the console), I think we, the original target audience, shouldn't be written off as little cry babies by console gamers who didn't like the original.

I like the first one and the second one, but if you are looked down upon, it is because of how you respond to something or you attitude in general. It has very little to do with you being a pc player.

I mean our very legitimate opinions are being looked down upon, as if we must have some gaul to be upset about this 'obviously superior' game. I get the feeling that people who liked Origins and were at the least disappointed with DAII are seen as children.

For a Pc gamer, I am sure there is more reason to be upset with the game then if you are like me and play it on a console. I figure there are people that play on console that liked Origins, and are disappointed with DAII. It is sad if you feel this way, but at least one console player does respect your opinion, and I am sorry for taking what you said the wrong way.

+rep  

Best responses I've seen in the forums.

[Hurrrr]

Well DAO was dull as hell for most people, even I had issues with the sheer slogfest of it.

Thing is, I don't mind the direction it went, I found DA2 dull, bland and BORING BEYOND WORDS...but that was for reasons other than it simply removing my ability to change someones armor. I really didn't care at all about such things, it was more to do with waves of mobs causing every single fight to be identical. And a huge marker that said "DO THIS NAOW", that was so effective I eventually stopped listening to the side quests because the damn thing was just an mmo quest list anyway.

[AngelicMachinery]

I doubt will be seeing a Dragon Age 3, there's to much hate. The majority seem to despise the game to the core of their being.

[DieHigh2012]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Vixvis wrote...

idk DA2 sold pretty fast nd got alot of great reviews,just because theres a buncha complaining PC nerds dont mean anything, as far as i know and i know this for a fact DA2 isnt the last game in the series they are gonna expand this franchise until their very last penny whether or not DA@ does good or bad.......In my Opinion this DA2 is almost better in evry aspect than DAO and is definetly the best game on the market for me right now.

I think the fact that so many of the people defending DA2 over DA:O can't even formulate a grammatically correct, properly annuciated sentence really says alot about its target audience... Really Bioware? You think they have more money to spend than us?

I was thinking the exact same thing. Only my point of focus was the haters of DA2.........

Modifié par DieHigh2012, 27 mars 2011 - 03:47 .

[DieHigh2012]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I doubt will be seeing a Dragon Age 3, there's to much hate. The majority seem to despise the game to the core of their being.

No, they are simply the most vocal. A lot of people really  like this game.

Perish the thought! *rolls eyes*