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[Aradace]

I could care less either way, simply put, while I loved DA2, the wife and I agree it should have only been rented. Which means if a DA3 is ever in the chute, we'll definately only be renting it. And if not, hey, no big loss.

[glacier1701]

 Personally I think that in April the future of the DA franchise will most probably be decided. For the first time EA BioWare has been faced with a released game that did not garner immediate acceptance and quite a lot of backlash from both consumers and game critics. I would say that while current sales figures have meant that, in all probability, DA2 has not lost money, internally, it has not met the expectations that EA BioWare had for the game. Speculation on my part of course but given the remarks and the hand waving seen in interviews its likely that internally there are questions already being asked.

 What needs to be answered would seem to boil down to this:

 (a) Can EA BioWare make up for the loss of reputation and credibility that the release of DA2 has engendered with the release of DA3?
 ( What resources would be needed to make DA3?
 © Does EA BioWare have other projects which could garner better sales than a potential DA3?
 (d) Are there competitors out there with games in production that could negatively affect potential sales for DA3?

 Point (a) is the most nebulous question to be answered as it it hard to gauge the actual loss in this area. Sales are one indicator as well as reviews on sites that have DA2 for sale. It seems fair to say that regardless of personal like or dislike of DA2 EA BioWare has lost at least some credibility and that this translates into a large chance of a drop in pre-orders for a potential DA3 UNLESS a large investment is made in pre-game marketing. The worse case scenario is that reasonable amounts of expenditure on marketing will not produce enough gain.

 Point ( is perhaps the easiest to answer internally at least. They have a guideline from both DA:O and DA2 on time and budget and what that can produce. However that is not all as there is the question of does there need to be a change in who works on the project? This is not to suggest that people need to be fired but that a good look needs to be taken at the people involved with DA2 and that perhaps new people with fresh ideas and outlook may need to be brought in. The costs and benefits in changing the team or keeping it the same is something that we, on the outside, can only guess at but it needs to be asked and properly answered and factored into the equation on pursuing a potential DA3.

 Point © is unknowable or at least it is from sources I follow but there are likely to be some on the go even if its only a few people working on them part-time. If DA3 is not going to be made then do any of these projects have potential for making up for lost revenue? If initial projections are good then this point could, by itself, kill off any chance of a DA3. EA BioWare just transfers people from DA to this new project with minor changes to who does what and away they go. They make a public statement that the DA franchise is on hold and that new projects are being worked on and they can, to some extent, put the DA issue behind them. Indeed it is the most attractive option to pursue as they can always hold out the promise for future DA material at some unspecified date when the marketplace can sustain it. It would seem to be a win-win for EA BioWare do go down this path.

 Point (d) is, for me, something I am not up on. Companies might even be tempted into the field with the perception of a 'failed' DA2. Certainly EA BioWare can no longer automatically assume it has a lock on the field it once had and perhaps to some extent this assumption might be part of what caused issues with DA2.

 In the end I would say that EA BioWare needs to canvas as many buyers of DA2 as it possibly can with a survey to gain a much more accurate picture of our feelings about DA2 and the future of the franchise and this should be done by an independent survey company. Its not going to be cheap but with a number of factors being so nebulous in making a decision on the future of the DA franchise in the long term it can be considered a wise investment before millions of dollars are spent in producing another game that fails to deliver on gamer expectations and as a result fails to make the breakeven point.

 To sum up - I would not be surprised if we heard in the next 6-8 weeks about the DA franchise being put on hold until "market conditions improve".  It would be nice if EA BioWare reached out to the buyers of DA2 with a survey but I am not holding my breath. And finally, regardless of loss of face, BioWare needs to be more forthcoming and truthful on why it did what it did to combat its 'perceived' failure with DA2.

Modifié par glacier1701, 27 mars 2011 - 04:27 .

[dewayne31]

there will be da3, it'll be the same da2 but different setting and such. and it will be out between june and november of 2012

[Aradace]

dewayne31 wrote...

there will be da3, it'll be the same da2 but different setting and such. and it will be out between june and november of 2012

And what's funny about this is that it's probably not a far cry from the truth.  BW probably considers their game a success (my opinion not withstanding) and thus will think they dont really need to change anything.  In fact, I can almost wager that theyll make some sort of comment on how "everyone loved the dungeons" when in fact, it is more closely the opposite.  To which, they'll copy/paste a few "new" dungeons for all the encounters for DA3 and then all they'll need to do is write the story.  It may sound like Im hating on the game, but in truth, I loved it mostly.  Just a few bits that I wished they hadnt done, like resurrecting Leliana from the dead

[dewayne31]

Aradace wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

there will be da3, it'll be the same da2 but different setting and such. and it will be out between june and november of 2012

And what's funny about this is that it's probably not a far cry from the truth.  BW probably considers their game a success (my opinion not withstanding) and thus will think they dont really need to change anything.  In fact, I can almost wager that theyll make some sort of comment on how "everyone loved the dungeons" when in fact, it is more closely the opposite.  To which, they'll copy/paste a few "new" dungeons for all the encounters for DA3 and then all they'll need to do is write the story.  It may sound like Im hating on the game, but in truth, I loved it mostly.  Just a few bits that I wished they hadnt done, like resurrecting Leliana from the dead

i do believe dev said they won't reuse the same dungeons over and over. don't get i love da2. but i'm guessing  on that timeframe. simply fact is after me3 and swtor come later this bioware has no announced games left

[ginzaen]

i hope there is a da3 and i hope it's on the pc.

[Aradace]

ginzaen wrote...

i hope there is a da3 and i hope it's on the pc.

PC only? HA!! Good luck with that one.

[Cybermortis]

glacier1701 wrote...


 Personally I think that in April the future of the DA franchise will most probably be decided. For the first time EA BioWare has been faced with a released game that did not garner immediate acceptance and quite a lot of backlash from both consumers and game critics. I would say that while current sales figures have meant that, in all probability, DA2 has not lost money, internally, it has not met the expectations that EA BioWare had for the game. Speculation on my part of course but given the remarks and the hand waving seen in interviews its likely that internally there are questions already being asked.

 What needs to be answered would seem to boil down to this:

 (a) Can EA BioWare make up for the loss of reputation and credibility that the release of DA2 has engendered with the release of DA3?
 ( What resources would be needed to make DA3?
 © Does EA BioWare have other projects which could garner better sales than a potential DA3?
 (d) Are there competitors out there with games in production that could negatively affect potential sales for DA3?

 Point (a) is the most nebulous question to be answered as it it hard to gauge the actual loss in this area. Sales are one indicator as well as reviews on sites that have DA2 for sale. It seems fair to say that regardless of personal like or dislike of DA2 EA BioWare has lost at least some credibility and that this translates into a large chance of a drop in pre-orders for a potential DA3 UNLESS a large investment is made in pre-game marketing. The worse case scenario is that reasonable amounts of expenditure on marketing will not produce enough gain.

 Point ( is perhaps the easiest to answer internally at least. They have a guideline from both DA:O and DA2 on time and budget and what that can produce. However that is not all as there is the question of does there need to be a change in who works on the project? This is not to suggest that people need to be fired but that a good look needs to be taken at the people involved with DA2 and that perhaps new people with fresh ideas and outlook may need to be brought in. The costs and benefits in changing the team or keeping it the same is something that we, on the outside, can only guess at but it needs to be asked and properly answered and factored into the equation on pursuing a potential DA3.

 Point © is unknowable or at least it is from sources I follow but there are likely to be some on the go even if its only a few people working on them part-time. If DA3 is not going to be made then do any of these projects have potential for making up for lost revenue? If initial projections are good then this point could, by itself, kill off any chance of a DA3. EA BioWare just transfers people from DA to this new project with minor changes to who does what and away they go. They make a public statement that the DA franchise is on hold and that new projects are being worked on and they can, to some extent, put the DA issue behind them. Indeed it is the most attractive option to pursue as they can always hold out the promise for future DA material at some unspecified date when the marketplace can sustain it. It would seem to be a win-win for EA BioWare do go down this path.

 Point (d) is, for me, something I am not up on. Companies might even be tempted into the field with the perception of a 'failed' DA2. Certainly EA BioWare can no longer automatically assume it has a lock on the field it once had and perhaps to some extent this assumption might be part of what caused issues with DA2.

 In the end I would say that EA BioWare needs to canvas as many buyers of DA2 as it possibly can with a survey to gain a much more accurate picture of our feelings about DA2 and the future of the franchise and this should be done by an independent survey company. Its not going to be cheap but with a number of factors being so nebulous in making a decision on the future of the DA franchise in the long term it can be considered a wise investment before millions of dollars are spent in producing another game that fails to deliver on gamer expectations and as a result fails to make the breakeven point.

 To sum up - I would not be surprised if we heard in the next 6-8 weeks about the DA franchise being put on hold until "market conditions improve".  It would be nice if EA BioWare reached out to the buyers of DA2 with a survey but I am not holding my breath. And finally, regardless of loss of face, BioWare needs to be more forthcoming and truthful on why it did what it did to combat its 'perceived' failure with DA2.

Nicely put. I'd add that;

A; Potentially yes, but this might require a show of faith above and beyond what they are willing to do cost wise. The simplest option here would be to make some DLC content available to registered users for free, or give registered users free Bioware points they could spend on DLC in general. This would cost money, but is something that would be reasonably quick and simple to implement.

B; Unknown, but clearly more than was put into DA2 - The problem seems largely to have been the time given to the project rather than the skills of the development team. Even the complaints about the direction the game design was going in might have been overcome had more time been spent on development. More time, however, costs more money even if they use the same team, software ect. It is fairly clear at this point that the majority of people would not buy DA3 until they have had a chance to see user reviews - so another rushed game is just not going to sell.

C; In the short term yes. Mass Effect 3 is the game they will be looking to be a blockbuster later this year, and it is almost certainly going to be a big seller unless it is REALLY badly done. If I had to make an educated guess I would say that ME3 will probably not sell quite as well initially as they might be hoping, purely due to the number of people who have become jaded by DA2 and who will not be pre-ordering as a result. However unless the game is poorly received it is likely to do as expected in the long term.
The other project is, of course, the Star Wars MMO - which if it is close to the standard Bioware was famous for should be a massive game to say the least.

It appears that a lot of Biowares resorces have been thrown into ME3 and STMMO, certainly a lot of time has been thrown into them and a lot is expected from them. In the short/medium term these games should be able to salvage some of Biowares reputation, and certainly profit margin. These games may, in fact, be part of the problem with DA2's development. They needed something to fill the gap between ME2 and ME3, and a lot of their talent is almost certainly tied up in those projects.

Longer term they still have a problem, since there is no clear follow on from ME3 (it is the last of the series, at least with Shepard) and the only remaining series they could rely on is Dragon Age. Shelving the DA series is an option, but without anything to follow ME3 (as far as I can tell) it may not be practical to do so. Developing an entirely new series from scratch in, say, a year rather than doing a DA3 would clearly be a disaster. In this regards a DA3 would be the more viable option in the long term, possibly starting the basic work on DA3 now and bringing in some of the development team from ME3 when that game is ready for release or largely finished.

D; Yes, several - if you know where to look. As things stand there are a fair number of DAO type RPG's out there being produced by smaller companies. At the moment their games are overshadowed by Bioware, but given the reaction to DA2 and a desire to play a full RPG I expect that many of these smaller companies and hithero unknown games will start to become more popular.


One last thing I've pondered is DLC sales for DA2. Much of the monetary expectations for DA2 will lie not just in the game but also in the DLC. The DLC sales will give a FAR better idea as to the popularity of DA2, and we will get a good idea as to how popular DA2 has been off the number of DLC packages released and over what period. Personally I'm expecting the DLC sales to be low, and as a result for only a small number to be released over a few months to a year.

[Nick Fox]

TJSolo wrote...

MrTijger wrote...

Well, perhaps the haters will win and the Dragon Age universe will end with DA 2. I mean, that's what you're all hoping for, right?

Or does anyone think that subpar sales will lead to more money being pumped into the franchise? Really? How peculiar...

Business is business, nothing personal.

And business isnt all that good right now from what I can see.

Think BW messed up big time, thinking they could replace their old fanbase with new ones.
But maybe they can in time......

[Aradace]

About the only way I wouldnt at least "play" DA3 is if they went back to the "voiceless" Protagonist (i.e. bringing the warden back in) and used the old dialog system from Origins. Barring that, I'd still rent it.

[planed scaped]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

I'm sure there will be a DA3. What else would they do. Go back to Wizards of the Coast or Lucas Arts? lulz.

They left those companies to make Dragon Age and Mass Effect for reasons.

They are still working with Lucas Arts in making their biggest by far project which financially makes DA2, DA3 and ME3 tiny in comparison. The SWKotor MMO.

Only because they were contractually obligated to >__>

I had high hopes for TOR, now I will wait and see.

Also, I disliked DA2 a lot yet I loved ME2 more then ME1. Weird huh?

[glacier1701]

Cybermortis wrote...
....snip...
C; In the short term yes. Mass Effect 3 is the game they will be looking to be a blockbuster later this year, and it is almost certainly going to be a big seller unless it is REALLY badly done. If I had to make an educated guess I would say that ME3 will probably not sell quite as well initially as they might be hoping, purely due to the number of people who have become jaded by DA2 and who will not be pre-ordering as a result. However unless the game is poorly received it is likely to do as expected in the long term.
The other project is, of course, the Star Wars MMO - which if it is close to the standard Bioware was famous for should be a massive game to say the least.

 I am looking more at projects OUTSIDE of ME3 and the TOR:MMO. There have been some hints that other things are on the go within BioWare though at very initial stages and it is these 'secret' projects that might now be brought to the forefront. 

Cybermortis wrote...

 It appears that a lot of Biowares resorces have been thrown into ME3 and STMMO, certainly a lot of time has been thrown into them and a lot is expected from them. In the short/medium term these games should be able to salvage some of Biowares reputation, and certainly profit margin. These games may, in fact, be part of the problem with DA2's development. They needed something to fill the gap between ME2 and ME3, and a lot of their talent is almost certainly tied up in those projects.

 With a seperate studio for TOR that should have had no impact on DA2 especially as TOR is being worked on with LucasArts and not EA so much other than the fact that BioWare is now part of EA. We do have a third studio in Montreal and so far we've been given hints that it  is working on something that seems to be connected with multiplayer in games and of course it has done most of the work on upcoming Arrival DLC. However these are things that were being worked on PRIOR, in most cases, to the work on DA2 being started. Any impact from other projects should have been considered when that work started.

Cybermortis wrote...

Longer term they still have a problem, since there is no clear follow on from ME3 (it is the last of the series, at least with Shepard) and the only remaining series they could rely on is Dragon Age. Shelving the DA series is an option, but without anything to follow ME3 (as far as I can tell) it may not be practical to do so. Developing an entirely new series from scratch in, say, a year rather than doing a DA3 would clearly be a disaster. In this regards a DA3 would be the more viable option in the long term, possibly starting the basic work on DA3 now and bringing in some of the development team from ME3 when that game is ready for release or largely finished.

 Well this is a good point. What does BioWare have to move onto? If DA is dropped something that may have been projected for starting in say 2012/2013 may be moved forward. After all there have been hints that the ME universe has several other 'games' that could be set within it. And more importantly with the news out of Iceland on the future vision for EVE (see here its conceivable that moving an ME project up could be something that will pay off rather than it being sidelined in a couple of years because it cannot compete with games/MMOs already out there. (NOTE: In the linked video pretty much everything that is NOT on the planet surface is either in game, about to be released or is on the release schedule over the next 18 months or so. The groundside stuff is not on an announced schedule yet other than not in 2011.)  In some ways BioWare is becoming more of a follower than a leader and that it needs to get back to leading to regain its reputation.

 Anyways Cybermortis, some nice points even if the impact of ME3/TOR should NOT have made much difference in resources available for DA2 as you seem to imply.

Modifié par glacier1701, 27 mars 2011 - 05:40 .

[Cybermortis]

glacier1701 wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...
....snip...
C; In the short term yes. Mass Effect 3 is the game they will be looking to be a blockbuster later this year, and it is almost certainly going to be a big seller unless it is REALLY badly done. If I had to make an educated guess I would say that ME3 will probably not sell quite as well initially as they might be hoping, purely due to the number of people who have become jaded by DA2 and who will not be pre-ordering as a result. However unless the game is poorly received it is likely to do as expected in the long term.
The other project is, of course, the Star Wars MMO - which if it is close to the standard Bioware was famous for should be a massive game to say the least.

 I am looking more at projects OUTSIDE of ME3 and the TOR:MMO. There have been some hints that other things are on the go within BioWare though at very initial stages and it is these 'secret' projects that might now be brought to the forefront. 

Cybermortis wrote...

 It appears that a lot of Biowares resorces have been thrown into ME3 and STMMO, certainly a lot of time has been thrown into them and a lot is expected from them. In the short/medium term these games should be able to salvage some of Biowares reputation, and certainly profit margin. These games may, in fact, be part of the problem with DA2's development. They needed something to fill the gap between ME2 and ME3, and a lot of their talent is almost certainly tied up in those projects.

 With a seperate studio for TOR that should have had no impact on DA2 especially as TOR is being worked on with LucasArts and not EA so much other than the fact that BioWare is now part of EA. We do have a third studio in Montreal and so far we've been given hints that it  is working on something that seems to be connected with multiplayer in games and of course it has done most of the work on upcoming Arrival DLC. However these are things that were being worked on PRIOR, in most cases, to the work on DA2 being started. Any impact from other projects should have been considered when that work started.

Cybermortis wrote...

Longer term they still have a problem, since there is no clear follow on from ME3 (it is the last of the series, at least with Shepard) and the only remaining series they could rely on is Dragon Age. Shelving the DA series is an option, but without anything to follow ME3 (as far as I can tell) it may not be practical to do so. Developing an entirely new series from scratch in, say, a year rather than doing a DA3 would clearly be a disaster. In this regards a DA3 would be the more viable option in the long term, possibly starting the basic work on DA3 now and bringing in some of the development team from ME3 when that game is ready for release or largely finished.

 Well this is a good point. What does BioWare have to move onto? If DA is dropped something that may have been projected for starting in say 2012/2013 may be moved forward. After all there have been hints that the ME universe has several other 'games' that could be set within it. And more importantly with the news out of Iceland on the future vision for EVE (see here its conceivable that moving an ME project up could be something that will pay off rather than it being sidelined in a couple of years because it cannot compete with games/MMOs already out there. (NOTE: In the linked video pretty much everything that is NOT on the planet surface is either in game, about to be released or is on the release schedule over the next 18 months or so. The groundside stuff is not on an announced schedule yet other than not in 2011.)  In some ways BioWare is becoming more of a follower than a leader and that it needs to get back to leading to regain its reputation.

 Anyways Cybermortis, some nice points even if the impact of ME3/TOR should NOT have made much difference in resources available for DA2 as you seem to imply.

Thank you.

I'd not heard of any other potential projects in the works. But if true it is possible that DA2 is a glitch in their track record, caused by someone somewhere wanting to keep Bioware's name in peoples minds between ME2 and 3 (Which they have managed to do, just not in the positive way) and make some money.

Hopefully any existing projects have and will be given enough time to be devloped correctly, and since I can't see Bioware needing to release anything for another year I'm slightly more optimistic that these projects might be of reasonable standard - or at least not rushed too badly.

Who knows, maybe there is another 'side project' out there that will hit us from no where, and be another huge hit. Let's hope so.

[Pwnzor326]

Considering Dragon Age II is on 3 platforms I think they will easily sell around 2-3 million justifying a third game. I think all the fan bashing of the game means nothing to the games sales because most of the people who are bashing the game already bought Dragon Age II and will most probably buy Dragon Age 3 no matter what Bioware does.

[AkiKishi]

Pwnzor326 wrote...

Considering Dragon Age II is on 3 platforms I think they will easily sell around 2-3 million justifying a third game. I think all the fan bashing of the game means nothing to the games sales because most of the people who are bashing the game already bought Dragon Age II and will most probably buy Dragon Age 3 no matter what Bioware does.

EA could just finish the trilogies , keep on the MMPORG team and shut up shop.

[Nick Fox]

In sweden (where I am) it seems like DA O Ultimate edition is outselling DA 2 atm.
Quite strange but we will see what happens, all I can say so far from looking into sales here it havent bombed but certainly isnt flying out the shelves becouse every major seller still have copies left atm.
There might be some odd one that is out of stock but so far I havent seen it on the major ones though.

[Speakeasy13]

Dridengx wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Vixvis wrote...

idk DA2 sold pretty fast nd got alot of great reviews,just because theres a buncha complaining PC nerds dont mean anything, as far as i know and i know this for a fact DA2 isnt the last game in the series they are gonna expand this franchise until their very last penny whether or not DA@ does good or bad.......In my Opinion this DA2 is almost better in evry aspect than DAO and is definetly the best game on the market for me right now.

I think the fact that so many of the people defending DA2 over DA:O can't even formulate a grammatically correct, properly annuciated sentence really says alot about its target audience... Really Bioware? You think they have more money to spend than us?

You're nothing but a fossil and your days are over. Your theory about errors in spelling is retarded, no one writes perfect on forums except nerds like yourself. I'd hate to see your text or twitters if you had anyone to write that is lol. Step aside Willy Mammoth lol.

Thank you. You have (unknowingly) proven my point.

So I understand proper grammar hurts your eyes and is not kewl for your demographic? Maybe the next DA game should be spelt entirely in LoLs and BFFs and what have you, and will not contain words that are more than 3-words long. I'm sure you'd then finally be able to understand the story!

[Speakeasy13]

Pwnzor326 wrote...

Considering Dragon Age II is on 3 platforms I think they will easily sell around 2-3 million justifying a third game. I think all the fan bashing of the game means nothing to the games sales because most of the people who are bashing the game already bought Dragon Age II and will most probably buy Dragon Age 3 no matter what Bioware does.

The last part was probably true. Ironic considering the most vocal detestors of the current direction where DA is going probably are the ones who loved it the most. But I think DA2 owes much of its initial sales to those ppl as well. Alot of em did go out of their way to tell their friends and family to try DA:O and DA2 before it came out. That word-of-mouth help DA:O stayed on the chart for a long time and had some effect on the preorders of DA2 to say the least. I dunno if they will do the same for DA3. We'll see.

[Dragoonlordz]

planed scaped wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

I'm sure there will be a DA3. What else would they do. Go back to Wizards of the Coast or Lucas Arts? lulz.

They left those companies to make Dragon Age and Mass Effect for reasons.

They are still working with Lucas Arts in making their biggest by far project which financially makes DA2, DA3 and ME3 tiny in comparison. The SWKotor MMO.

Only because they were contractually obligated to >__>

I had high hopes for TOR, now I will wait and see.

Also, I disliked DA2 a lot yet I loved ME2 more then ME1. Weird huh?

What's your point? I loved ME1 yet didn't like ME2 but also disliked DA2 yet loved DA:O... so...erm, ok take that!  lol

[Dragoonlordz]

Pwnzor326 wrote...

Considering Dragon Age II is on 3 platforms I think they will easily sell around 2-3 million justifying a third game. I think all the fan bashing of the game means nothing to the games sales because most of the people who are bashing the game already bought Dragon Age II and will most probably buy Dragon Age 3 no matter what Bioware does.

Sorry, but if DA3 has more in common with DA2 than DA:O then no I won't be buying it so there's no 'probably' about it.

[Volourn]

Some of you newbies should have been around for tehr eleases of NWN, KOTOR, JE, ME, DA, and ME2. LMAO

Every single one of the releases were suppsoed to be 'BIO's death kell'. And, NWN was released way back in 2002-2003. HA!

DA2 will sell like the typical BIO game. DA3 will do just fine. ME3 will do just fine.

People seem to think b/c the vocal MINORITY dislikes a game that eveyrone hates it. That's ridiculous.

If vocal minority mattered BIO would have been dead with their very first game.


"Ea does not own Bioware. Bioware is it's own company and they make their own decisions. Ea is the developer Bioware created the game. So it's Biowares fault not Ea. Ea could put a little pressure by asking when will it be done but in the end Bioware said "Yea its a good game lets send it out" 

Actually, they do own BIO. BIO is a division of EA. The docs - BIo's cvreators - are employees/shareholders in EA (guessing on the shareholder thing). EA is BIO. EA tells them ****** they ******. That said, the docs likely have a lot of influence as well; but youa re wrong. BIO is not their own company. Haven't been for eyars.

Modifié par Volourn, 27 mars 2011 - 06:59 .

[Aradace]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Vixvis wrote...

idk DA2 sold pretty fast nd got alot of great reviews,just because theres a buncha complaining PC nerds dont mean anything, as far as i know and i know this for a fact DA2 isnt the last game in the series they are gonna expand this franchise until their very last penny whether or not DA@ does good or bad.......In my Opinion this DA2 is almost better in evry aspect than DAO and is definetly the best game on the market for me right now.

I think the fact that so many of the people defending DA2 over DA:O can't even formulate a grammatically correct, properly annuciated sentence really says alot about its target audience... Really Bioware? You think they have more money to spend than us?

You're nothing but a fossil and your days are over. Your theory about errors in spelling is retarded, no one writes perfect on forums except nerds like yourself. I'd hate to see your text or twitters if you had anyone to write that is lol. Step aside Willy Mammoth lol.

Thank you. You have (unknowingly) proven my point.

So I understand proper grammar hurts your eyes and is not kewl for your demographic? Maybe the next DA game should be spelt entirely in LoLs and BFFs and what have you, and will not contain words that are more than 3-words long. I'm sure you'd then finally be able to understand the story!

I think you're both ate up.  Speakeasy, correct me if Im wrong but, you're apparently thinking that Origins being a better game than DA2 is a "fact" if so, then allow me to be the first to tell you how wrong you are.  No, not wrong in the sense that it's the other way around.  But wrong in the sense that your statement is an OPINION and not a FACT.  Not to mention all the rhetoric you're throwing around (this coming from someone who throws around quite a bit at times himself.)

"You're nothing but a fossil and your days are over. Your theory about errors in spelling is retarded, no one writes perfect on forums except nerds like yourself. I'd hate to see your text or twitters if you had anyone to write that is lol. Step aside Willy Mammoth lol"

^To the person who wrote this, I am FAR from being a nerd and my grammar is far from being perfect at times, but I at least make an attempt to sound like an intelligent being (somewhat lol).  So to say that "No one writes perfect except for nerds" is VERY innaccurate.

[Dragoonlordz]

Volourn wrote...

Some of you newbies should have been around for tehr eleases of NWN, KOTOR, JE, ME, DA, and ME2. LMAO

Every single one of the releases were suppsoed to be 'BIO's death kell'. And, NWN was released way back in 2002-2003. HA!

DA2 will sell like the typical BIO game. DA3 will do just fine. ME3 will do just fine.

People seem to think b/c the vocal MINORITY dislikes a game that eveyrone hates it. That's ridiculous.

If vocal minority mattered BIO would have been dead with their very first game.

You don't know who the minority are or the majority you have no right to speak for them. Just because someone doesn't create a forum account doesn't mean they did or did not like the game one way or the other.

[Volourn]

"You don't know who the minority are or the majority you have no right to speak for them. Just because someone doesn't create a forum account doesn't mean they did or did not like the game one way or the other."

Actually, trust me, I do know this.

[Dragoonlordz]

Volourn wrote...

"You don't know who the minority are or the majority you have no right to speak for them. Just because someone doesn't create a forum account doesn't mean they did or did not like the game one way or the other."

Actually, trust me, I do know this.

No you don't, now unless you want to turn this into a punch and judy give it up.