Besides his/her role in the Quanari invasion. Other than that, what was so special about Hawke? The Warden had clear goals and purpose - Hawke is, essentially, a glorified errand boy (or girl) at best. Seriously, can anyone explain this to me?
Excuse me if I'm slightly miffed that it seems that Anders played a bigger role in DA2 than the player did.
So...can someone explain what Hawke's role in the story was?
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:46
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Who knows?
He's just a guy who was in the right place at the right time, with no clear mission or purpose.
He's just a guy who was in the right place at the right time, with no clear mission or purpose.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:47
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I'd explain it to you . . .if I could.
However, I pretty much feel the same way. All the talk about Hawke's "rise to power" and Hawke being the most important person around . . . I saw, as you did, a person who happened to be around when momentous events transpired. Nothing more.
However, I pretty much feel the same way. All the talk about Hawke's "rise to power" and Hawke being the most important person around . . . I saw, as you did, a person who happened to be around when momentous events transpired. Nothing more.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:48
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He went into the Deep Roads further then anyone, defeated an Arishok single-handly and took part in the events that caused a global war between mages and templars/chantry.
Overall though, he was just lucky/unlucky.
Overall though, he was just lucky/unlucky.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:50
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Catalyst.
I liked not playing the stereotypical hero/savior figure.
I liked not playing the stereotypical hero/savior figure.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:51
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I actually get the sense that Hawke's "role" was all just the myth that Cassandra and the chantry had. When Cassandra stops Varric, it's often to say that she's sure the Champion did x on purpose, or knew y was down there, or recruited z because Hawke knew bla bla bla, when in actuality was all just accidental.
I seriously came away from it feeling that Hawke's "importance" to the story and to the future of Thedas was all a big misunderstanding...not that Hawke didn't do good things (stopping the Qunari invasion) but he/she is credited with things that were actually beyond his/her control. So maybe what Cassandra got out of it was that all the blame for the chaos can't be laid at Hawke's door? Going to have to do a little more soul searching about the role of the chantry/templars/mages in all of the chaos, instead of just pointing the finger at Hawke?
*shrug* I dunno.
I seriously came away from it feeling that Hawke's "importance" to the story and to the future of Thedas was all a big misunderstanding...not that Hawke didn't do good things (stopping the Qunari invasion) but he/she is credited with things that were actually beyond his/her control. So maybe what Cassandra got out of it was that all the blame for the chaos can't be laid at Hawke's door? Going to have to do a little more soul searching about the role of the chantry/templars/mages in all of the chaos, instead of just pointing the finger at Hawke?
*shrug* I dunno.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:52
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Thrennion wrote...
Catalyst.
I liked not playing the stereotypical hero/savior figure.
Yeah same here.
The whole thing though about him being the most important person in Dragon Age seemed way off to me though.
Anders was far more important than he was
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:53
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Myusha wrote...
He went into the Deep Roads further then anyone, defeated an Arishok single-handly and took part in the events that caused a global war between mages and templars/chantry.
Overall though, he was just lucky/unlucky.
Except Varric did all three as well. Cassandra really should have been investigating Anders instead, as he was the real reason behind Thedas' plunge into war.
Thrennion wrote...
Catalyst.
I liked not playing the stereotypical hero/savior figure.
Same here, but I still want my characters to have purpose.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:53
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Thrennion wrote...
Catalyst.
I liked not playing the stereotypical hero/savior figure.
This. Its more of a chance in fate then anything else.
Hawke's role was basically being caught up in the middle of the Mage and Templar conflict, and becoming the mage's rallying cry of their oppression or freedom depending who Hawke sided with at the end.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:55
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I tend to agree. It was more a matter of right place/right time than anything else. Part of it also depends on how you RP your Hawke too though, the three major motivations being 1) family, 2) power, and 3) money.
As far as the actual "rise to power," Act 1 was about racking up $ to gain a respectable social status, Act 2 for establishing a bad-ass reputation, and Act 3 using that reputation to resolve what eventually turned out to be the main conflict. All in all, I don't think it made for a very epic story, but maybe if it turns out to be a 2 or 3 game arc like ME they'll be able to make something more interesting out of it.
As far as the actual "rise to power," Act 1 was about racking up $ to gain a respectable social status, Act 2 for establishing a bad-ass reputation, and Act 3 using that reputation to resolve what eventually turned out to be the main conflict. All in all, I don't think it made for a very epic story, but maybe if it turns out to be a 2 or 3 game arc like ME they'll be able to make something more interesting out of it.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:57
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Thrennion wrote...
Catalyst.
I liked not playing the stereotypical hero/savior figure.
Yeah, me too. Hawke was the center around which events revolved, not the primary motivator of those events.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:58
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Hawk is the guy in the front row of a theater and has a remote for the movie, he has control only to a point in whats going on.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 04:58
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WingsandRings wrote...
I actually get the sense that Hawke's "role" was all just the myth that Cassandra and the chantry had. When Cassandra stops Varric, it's often to say that she's sure the Champion did x on purpose, or knew y was down there, or recruited z because Hawke knew bla bla bla, when in actuality was all just accidental.
I seriously came away from it feeling that Hawke's "importance" to the story and to the future of Thedas was all a big misunderstanding...not that Hawke didn't do good things (stopping the Qunari invasion) but he/she is credited with things that were actually beyond his/her control. So maybe what Cassandra got out of it was that all the blame for the chaos can't be laid at Hawke's door? Going to have to do a little more soul searching about the role of the chantry/templars/mages in all of the chaos, instead of just pointing the finger at Hawke?
*shrug* I dunno.
Same here. Cassandra thought Hawke was important, and learned otherwise. She even says "that's not what I thought happened" (paraphrased
) in one of the cut scenes.Was Hawke a catalyst? I don't think so. If anything, Anders was the catalyst. Or Bartrand - it was Bartrands expedition, Anders map, and Anders blowing up the Chantry.
Hawke went along for the ride on the expedition, IMO. Just like Hawke kind of went along for the ride during the end game.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:00
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Not sure why this is praiseworthy - don't you all get enough of being of minor consequence to world events in real life?
Or are you all secret superheroes.
Or are you all secret superheroes.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:01
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Thrennion wrote...
Catalyst.
I liked not playing the stereotypical hero/savior figure.
It's kind of like playing Half-Life: Opposing Force after playing Half-Life with Gordon Freeman. You get the ending and you're like, did I really win the game?
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:02
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Regardless of whether it's warranted, Hawke can become a hero to the mages or the templars. His actions help ignite a Mage revolution across the continent that changed a thousand year old status quo. Why would Cassandra reach out to Hawke, though? What does she think she could have told him that would have convinced him to side with her?
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:04
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The Angry One wrote...
Not sure why this is praiseworthy - don't you all get enough of being of minor consequence to world events in real life?
Or are you all secret superheroes.
I'm Batman.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:04
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His role in the story is that of a catalyst. You didn't need him there but he made things easier to happen. Act one he does nothing important
Act 2 he oversees the qunari situation degrade into open war
Act 3 hes in the middle of a Civil war.
Act 2 he oversees the qunari situation degrade into open war
Act 3 hes in the middle of a Civil war.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:06
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you're basically the Han Solo of dragon age, an example of somebody being self-serving/smart ends up getting thrust into situations they didn't want/plan/or desire to be in but ultimately playing a huge role in various outcomes because the alternatives are complete chaos, really when you strip away the scale of events Hawke is in the same circumstances as his/her companions
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:09
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Hawke's role was that of a hung hero.
Hawke has just as much control over events as the Warden or Shepard, meaning Hawke merely runs errands for others and reacts to people doing things. Unlike the Warden or Shepard, Hawke fails in the end.
Hawke fails to save her family
Hawke fails to prevent a civil war from breaking out in Kirkwall
In DA 3, we'll probably learn that the qunari invade and if we kill the Arishok, Hawke is blamed for this.
Hawke has just as much control over events as the Warden or Shepard, meaning Hawke merely runs errands for others and reacts to people doing things. Unlike the Warden or Shepard, Hawke fails in the end.
Hawke fails to save her family
Hawke fails to prevent a civil war from breaking out in Kirkwall
In DA 3, we'll probably learn that the qunari invade and if we kill the Arishok, Hawke is blamed for this.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:09
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Hawke wasn't a catalyst for anything. The Deep Roads expedition still would have happened without Hawke. The qunari still would have attacked Kirkwall. Meredith still would have gotten a piece of the idol and gone wacko. Vengeance still would have blown up the Chantry. And, most importantly, Varric still would have been awesome.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:11
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Randy1083 wrote...
Varric still would have been awesome.
Fact.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:11
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LobselVith8 wrote...
Regardless of whether it's warranted, Hawke can become a hero to the mages or the templars. His actions help ignite a Mage revolution across the continent that changed a thousand year old status quo. Why would Cassandra reach out to Hawke, though? What does she think she could have told him that would have convinced him to side with her?
I so strongly disagree with this. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, or your not entitled to that, and I'm not saying my opinion is fact.
But my opinion is that Hawke did NOTHING to ignite any kind of revolution. Anders did. Meredith did. Hawke can side with the mages, and defend them against the Templars, or Hawke can side with the Templars, and help them destroy the mages in Kirkwall. Either way, Orsino turns into a Harvester, Meredith does her . . .well, whatever we call what it is she did, what with the walking statues and levitating transformer things . . and Hawke kills them both. Either way, mage revolution starts.
And the catalyst (def: that which casuses something else to occur) is Bartrand finding the lyrium idol, or Meredith buying it from him, or Anders blowing up the Chantry. Pick one, or choose all 3. But nothing Hawke did started, or prevented, this war, no matter what Hawke thought of the whole thing.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:15
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Hawk is simply the medium through which you experience the mundane errands and civil strife of Kirkwall. Kinda like a first person narrative novel where you get to pick how nice or snarky the comments are.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:18
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Randy1083 wrote...
Hawke wasn't a catalyst for anything. The Deep Roads expedition still would have happened without Hawke. The qunari still would have attacked Kirkwall. Meredith still would have gotten a piece of the idol and gone wacko. Vengeance still would have blown up the Chantry. And, most importantly, Varric still would have been awesome.
The Deep Roads expedition still would have happened, but would the Idol have been discovered? Would it have been a success if Hawke didn't find that alternate route? Maybe. Maybe not. If not, then Meredith wouldn't have gone completely nutso.
If Hawke didn't meet up with Isabela, would the Qunari have been able to find the Tome? Maybe. Maybe not.
If Hawke didn't come to Kirkwall, would Anders have gotten caught by the Templars? Possibly.
It's easy to say that Hawke was irelevant, but it's impossible to know how things would have turned out if Hawke hadn't made it to Kirkwall.
Hawke may not have instigated events, but Hawke's decisions influenced a lot.
