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[Moiaussi]

Why are so many so quick to say they would happily kill batarians en masse? Yes some of them are terrorists. That doesn't mean they all are. Timothy McVey was an american who committed terrorism against the US. Does that mean the US should blow itself up in retalliation?

The Batarians have ill will towards humanity because they lost a territorial war. That is pretty natural. The Batarians on Omega, though, are much less hostile if you give them a chance and deal with them fairly and/or help them, just like 'normal' people.

I think it was Kaiden who said something to the effect of 'we have met aliens and it turns out they are a lot like us.'

I can understand an arguement for destroying the relay if the need to do so is great enough, regardless of consequence, but to write off large populations like that because of the acts of a few?

[emmanuelsieyes]

If Shepard/Kenson are going to blow up the relay, how do they expect to escape in time? The sheer amount of energy it must take to move around dreadnoughts is likely going to be released (tis a video game, there are no failsafes/emergency shutdowns).

Batarians are screwed either way. No matter what, they still have the reaper fleet in their system. Every last one of them is going to die. However, if we kill the relay, then the Reapers will have to cover the entire distance to their next destination. It's not stated how far beyond 1.00 c FTL travel can do, but it's likely enough to buy months, if not years, of time.

[gogman25]

Destroy the whole system. Yes, that's right - even if it doesn't destroy the relay.

[mcsupersport]

Heck, if I could destroy a relay and kill the entire system, why would I do it BEFORE a bunch of ships arrive that I WANT destroyed?? Think about it, wait, let them get there and blow it to H@@@, end of Reapers, end of issue, and if the Batarians get nuked so what, they died to destroy a huge number of Reapers.

[the_hoffs_ego]

mcsupersport wrote...

Heck, if I could destroy a relay and kill the entire system, why would I do it BEFORE a bunch of ships arrive that I WANT destroyed?? Think about it, wait, let them get there and blow it to H@@@, end of Reapers, end of issue, and if the Batarians get nuked so what, they died to destroy a huge number of Reapers.

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[Pwener2313]

I thought of that.... but what if they arrive too quicky and go through the relay faster then the asteroid can blow up the relay? The risk is too great.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

system?

[Talthanar]

Pwener2313 wrote...

I thought of that.... but what if they arrive too quicky and go through the relay faster then the asteroid can blow up the relay? The risk is too great.

But the priiiize...

[jason9880]

Destroying anything Batarian isn't a sacrifice, it's a bonus. I hope this isn't the 'ultimate sacrifice'.

[Yakko77]

Gabey5 wrote...

screw it, let them come

Yeah.  Let's get it over with.

BRING  IT  ON!!!

Modifié par Yakko77, 28 mars 2011 - 06:46 .

[Asheer_Khan]

Some of you asked how is possible to blown up relay if even Supernova couldn't destroyed one (Mu relay).

Tricky part is that there is no need to destroying entire relay but just his EZO generator and control system making him gigantic piece of junk.

But i agree... shutting off relay will obviously doom entire sector BUT... i SERIOUSLY HOPE that whatever decision will stand behind this ultimate sacrifice stuff will be really good explained and not some sort... "shut off relay for lulz" knowing what price we might pay for such decision...

HYPOTETICAL SPECULATIONS:
It's possible that from this decision will depend how "fast" we will see Reapers in ME 3.

IF relay will be shut down Reapers will show up in the middle or even very end of the game because they would need to reach another relay via regular FTL flight (which IS much slower than Relay hyper jump), BUT if Batarian relay will remain intact... we might see Harbinger lot faster than expected.

But once again, i hope this whole stuff will be really good explain what we must do what we MUST do and not reduced to pure Blue vs Red choice.

[armass]

Bahak system is not their home system, and the colony there has about 300,000 batarians living there.

If you don't destroy the relay in that system, the reapers are coming there anyway. What do you think will happen to those batarians in that system when the reapers arrive?

Exactly. Destroy it. Would be better to destroy it exactly when some reapers arrive, maybe you could take a few dozen reapers with the explosion.

Modifié par armass, 28 mars 2011 - 12:51 .

[armass]

Moiaussi wrote...

Why are so many so quick to say they would happily kill batarians en masse? Yes some of them are terrorists. That doesn't mean they all are. Timothy McVey was an american who committed terrorism against the US. Does that mean the US should blow itself up in retalliation?

The Batarians have ill will towards humanity because they lost a territorial war. That is pretty natural. The Batarians on Omega, though, are much less hostile if you give them a chance and deal with them fairly and/or help them, just like 'normal' people.

I think it was Kaiden who said something to the effect of 'we have met aliens and it turns out they are a lot like us.'

I can understand an arguement for destroying the relay if the need to do so is great enough, regardless of consequence, but to write off large populations like that because of the acts of a few?

This is a typical human attidute when they see something they hate. Hatred blinds you to reason.

Modifié par armass, 28 mars 2011 - 01:01 .

[DaBigDragon]

No, I think it means destroying that colony of 300,000 people that the relay is in. Once that relay is destroyed, 300,000 people are going to die. I think we'll have to do it no matter what.

[Lotto]

**** the batarians. I don't like them, and they don't like me.

[Moiaussi]

Lotto wrote...

**** the batarians. I don't like them, and they don't like me.

Have you considered they may not like you *because* you don't like them? They lost territory to humans. If the situation was reversed, we wouldn't be quick to forgive either.

If you help the sick Batarian on Omega, he concludes maybe humans aren't so bad after all. If you let the batarians go who caught Morden's assistant, they likewise conclude maybe humans have honor after all.

They aren't all terrorists.

And as others have said you don't have to actually blow up a relay to stop the reapers... just shutting it down should be enough, or even just putting a large object in front of it so they come through straight into a an uninhabited planet. Reprogram it so it catches them in a loop, bouncing them between two relays til the end of time, or shoots them right back to where they came, or aim the incomming reapers directly at their next wave, using the reapers themselves as ammunition against them.

Waaaaaay too many ways to use any relay you can coopt as a weapon.

[Nerevar-as]

It says something about batarian society that the nicests of them are in Omega. Anyway, unless there is a situation with a 100% assurance that they are going to die anyway I won´t destroy the colony if that´s indeed the final choice from the DLC.

[Kekkis]

Keeping in mind, that Reapers have something personal against Shep I think angry Batarians are not my biggest problem in ME3 anyway. My main Shep usually don´t shoot first, so I must keep that policy going if I can. But then again sometimes that renegade interupt is too attractive

[Thargorichiban]

Also keep in mind you're not "stopping" the Reaper invasion. This relay is simply the closest to the Reaper's insertion point.

From the video you learn all you're doing is giving the galaxy a few more weeks/months to prepare while the Reapers have to hoof it in much slower FTL to the next nearest Mass Relay.

[AventuroLegendary]

 By destroying the relay, your not stopping the reaper invasion, your delaying it. It could also possibly destroy a system with many inhabitants. I say it's not worth it. It buys a lot of time, though.

[AventuroLegendary]

Moiaussi wrote...

Lotto wrote...

**** the batarians. I don't like them, and they don't like me.

Have you considered they may not like you *because* you don't like them? They lost territory to humans. If the situation was reversed, we wouldn't be quick to forgive either.

If you help the sick Batarian on Omega, he concludes maybe humans aren't so bad after all. If you let the batarians go who caught Morden's assistant, they likewise conclude maybe humans have honor after all.

They aren't all terrorists.

And as others have said you don't have to actually blow up a relay to stop the reapers... just shutting it down should be enough, or even just putting a large object in front of it so they come through straight into a an uninhabited planet. Reprogram it so it catches them in a loop, bouncing them between two relays til the end of time, or shoots them right back to where they came, or aim the incomming reapers directly at their next wave, using the reapers themselves as ammunition against them.

Waaaaaay too many ways to use any relay you can coopt as a weapon.

I agree completely. There is alway a better way than innocents dying. Like the ones you just described...

[etonesmith1]

1. Batarians didn't "lose" territory to the humans, the council gave humans those worlds to colonize, the Batarians merely coveted them after the humans had them.
2. Most Batarians views of other races are provided for them by thier government. only those who leave the Hegimony actually see these other races as anything other than power grabbing war mongers

[RevanchistStenn]

Let me just say they had better start winking with all four eyes if they want to sway me.

[xboxlivegamer]

Moiaussi wrote...

Lotto wrote...

**** the batarians. I don't like them, and they don't like me.

Have you considered they may not like you *because* you don't like them? They lost territory to humans. If the situation was reversed, we wouldn't be quick to forgive either.

If you help the sick Batarian on Omega, he concludes maybe humans aren't so bad after all. If you let the batarians go who caught Morden's assistant, they likewise conclude maybe humans have honor after all.

They aren't all terrorists..

You mean right after the sick Batarian blamed Humans with the plague? And how he seems to hate Mordin for not hating Humans?

Or maybe you mean the group of Batarians that were about to kill Mordin's assisstant, and wouldn't listen to his claims of spreading a cure because he is Human.

[RevanchistStenn]

Asking someone to empathize with the Batarians when they resort to terrorist tactics and bruteforce behavior is silly. It doesn't mean that person won't make the right moral decision, but don't act like the Batarians have done anything resembling adult behavior to command respect.