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[sparkyclarky24]

 if riordan told us that to kill the archdemon you must sacrifice your life earlier, we could have got loghain to give it the final blow.

[chiliztri]

He states that he assumed you already knew. That is a perfectly viable reason.

[The Angry One]

chiliztri wrote...

He states that he assumed you already knew. That is a perfectly viable reason.

And before anyone says it's illogical for him to think that two apprentices know everything already, let us remember that Riorden is an idiot.

[Rattleface]

Haha, the dialogue during that scene if you conscripted Loghain is priceless.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Riordan is a little short-sighted in these things. Not only does he jump off of a building onto a rather agile dragon's back (and of course he falls off...), but he does a lot of things without seemingly thinking them through.



I don't think Loghain is worthy of the glory of stopping the Blight, whether he's forced to die in doing so or not. He's better off cooling on the Landsmeet floor.

[Rattleface]

The Angry One wrote...

chiliztri wrote...

He states that he assumed you already knew. That is a perfectly viable reason.

Riorden is an idiot.

You're an idiot.

[RunCDFirst]

When would he have told you? You really don't get a chance to chit chat until Redcliffe.

Also:

[quote]The Angry One wrote...

[quote]chiliztri wrote...

And before anyone says it's illogical for him to think that two apprentices know everything already, let us remember that Riorden is an idiot.

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[sparkyclarky24]

he could offered it as an option when deciding loghains fate.. but yeah he doesnt deserve the glory i guess.

[Haasth]

Riorden indeed does not seem to be the brightest Warden out there. But damn, he has some guts.

[RunCDFirst]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

he could offered it as an option when deciding loghains fate.. but yeah he doesnt deserve the glory i guess.

"Hey guys, you might want him to stay around because we have to sacrifice someone to the archedemon."

He mentions that the sacrifice is kept a secret for a reason and doesn't seem like he'd want to tell the entire Ferelden court about it.

The real question is why Duncan didn't tell you at Ostagar. It seems there was no one aside from him with that knowledge and you'd think he'd pass that information regardless of whether he was planning on being the sacrifice.

[Crimson_Binome]

Haasth wrote...

Riorden indeed does not seem to be the brightest Warden out there. But damn, he has some guts.

It's true. I saw them splattered all over Denerim. They were huge.

[sparkyclarky24]

i take it that his attack on the dragon is the reason it doesnt just fly away from the tower.. if so, what a great sacrifice.

[RunCDFirst]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

i take it that his attack on the dragon is the reason it doesnt just fly away from the tower.. if so, what a great sacrifice.

I'm sure that's the excuse. But let's not forget his original plan for fighting the dragon was solely to 'climb a really tall tower!'

[Haasth]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

i take it that his attack on the dragon is the reason it doesnt just fly away from the tower.. if so, what a great sacrifice.

It does have the consequence that the Archdemon can no longer happily fly away, yes. But come on, he could've thought it through a bit. I'm sure if Riordan, plus your own party would have jumped at him it would've gone a lot better for one!

[Theronyll Itholien]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

 if riordan told us that to kill the archdemon you must sacrifice your life earlier, we could have got loghain to give it the final blow.

I agree with you completely, Sparkyclarky24. If he said before the freakin' landsmeet, it would've made ALL the difference in the choices I was going to make! In a way, it kinda pissed me off.

Because..
[MAJOR SPOILER]



I had to kill Loghain else Alistair didn't want to become King. So I let Alistair kill Loghain to become King. A few minutes later I heard about the sacrifice and knew I wasn't goign to sacrifice myself because I simply couldn't do that to Leliana. So in the end I let Alistair kill Loghain to become the king to then sacrifice himself. I lost both Loghain (which I really F*bleep*ING hated!) and Alistair in the end, and had to let that queen rule. And that after playing the WHOLE FREAKIN GAME as a loyal, noble, kind and good man.

[END OF SPOILER]



But oh well, the important thing is that the ending struck me hard, emotionally. I don't shy away when I admit that I literally had a tear in my eyes. I think that's what counts in the end.

[chiliztri]

RunCDFirst wrote...

"Hey guys, you might want him to stay around because we have to sacrifice someone to the archedemon."

He mentions that the sacrifice is kept a secret for a reason and doesn't seem like he'd want to tell the entire Ferelden court about it.

The real question is why Duncan didn't tell you at Ostagar. It seems there was no one aside from him with that knowledge and you'd think he'd pass that information regardless of whether he was planning on being the sacrifice.

At Ostagar there was no time, really. He doesn't really tell you anything about being a Grey Warden.

The real question is why didn't he tell Alistair, who had been a Grey Warden for 6 months. But then, I can think of a few reason as to why he didn't tell him.

[Reiella]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

he could offered it as an option when deciding loghains fate.. but yeah he doesnt deserve the glory i guess.

He couldn't have offered then any more than he could have shouted "Hai guyz!  Vote for Warden, we drink darkspawn blood!"

[Theronyll Itholien]

chiliztri wrote...

RunCDFirst wrote...

"Hey guys, you might want him to stay around because we have to sacrifice someone to the archedemon."

He mentions that the sacrifice is kept a secret for a reason and doesn't seem like he'd want to tell the entire Ferelden court about it.

The real question is why Duncan didn't tell you at Ostagar. It seems there was no one aside from him with that knowledge and you'd think he'd pass that information regardless of whether he was planning on being the sacrifice.

At Ostagar there was no time, really. He doesn't really tell you anything about being a Grey Warden.

The real question is why didn't he tell Alistair, who had been a Grey Warden for 6 months. But then, I can think of a few reason as to why he didn't tell him.

I think we shouldn't think about it too much. Whatever reasons you want to make up, the fact rings that it's simply stupid that nobody knew about the killing part. Period.

There's another majorly stupid think like this in the game, in the Mage Origin. You'll meet Cullin or Collen or whatever-his-templar-name is there, almost shaking in the hallway because he has never seen an abomination and doesn't know what signs to look for. First thing that went through my mind was: What the HELL are they teaching those young templars in the Chantry, then?!!??! I was so struck by the stupidness of that script that I literally almost shut down the game.

[RunCDFirst]

chiliztri wrote...
At Ostagar there was no time, really. He doesn't really tell you anything about being a Grey Warden.

The real question is why didn't he tell Alistair, who had been a Grey Warden for 6 months. But then, I can think of a few reason as to why he didn't tell him.

You would think that this would be a very important piece of information to pass on though - say, in the unfortunate circumstance that you (Duncan) happen to die before slaying the archdemon. I guess you could argue that he didn't 'sense' the archdemon in the vicinity but they were going into battle and you should at least prepare your Grey Wardens for the worst possible scenario seeing that they are the only line of defence against the Blight.

Theronyll Itholien wrote...
There's another majorly stupid think like this in the game, in the Mage Origin. You'll meet Cullin or Collen or whatever-his-templar-name is there, almost shaking in the hallway because he has never seen an abomination and doesn't know what signs to look for. First thing that went through my mind was: What the HELL are they teaching those young templars in the Chantry, then?!!??! I was so struck by the stupidness of that script that I literally almost shut down the game.

To be fair, there is more than one Templar present during a Harrowing.

Modifié par RunCDFirst, 17 novembre 2009 - 11:45 .

[Rattleface]

RunCDFirst wrote...

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

i take it that his attack on the dragon is the reason it doesnt just fly away from the tower.. if so, what a great sacrifice.

I'm sure that's the excuse. But let's not forget his original plan for fighting the dragon was solely to 'climb a really tall tower!'

Someone was going to die anyways.  Might aswell kamikaze off the top of a tower to kill it.
Or try to.

A Grey Warden would be dead either way [and he had already offered to do the deed].  He probably thought it was best to try and get it down as quick as possible, as really, he's no more a better arch demon-slayer than anyone else would be.  All he has to do is kill it, and hopping onto its back when you're going to die anyways to get it in mid air isn't such a bad idea taking all that into account.

It can't claw at you and it can't reel its head far enough back to eat you.  I honestly don't think it was that bad of an idea lols.

Also, the darkspawn occupied Denerim.  That doesn't leave much open to tactical planning when the main thing you want to kill is swooping around everywhere and blowing people up.

Modifié par Rattleface, 17 novembre 2009 - 11:44 .

[Haasth]

In Ferelden it indeed seems to be common to not inform your apprentices of vital information, and let them find out for themselves. Regardless of how many trouble you could have saved them in the process.

[sparkyclarky24]

Oh well.. whats done is done i guess





such hard decisions.. brilliant gameplay. I HEART bioware i beg for a sequel/patch for continuation of campaign

[The Angry One]

I'm sure Riordan realised it was a bad idea a little before he became pavement spaghetti.

Just a hunch mind you.



Also, he couldn't yell out "STOP!" before you kill Loghain or make an issue of it with Alistair and whisper in your ear? Sure.

[Haasth]

Now... There should just be a persuade option where you remind Alistair of the inevitable death Loghain will face, thus saving the lives of either one of you.

[The Angry One]

I guess they really wanted to force the issue of someone giving that evil witch her demon baby.