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[The Angry One]

Vaeliorin wrote...

That's what Dog (aka Rabbit) is for.  He's tainted, Morrigan turns into a dog when you tell her that you're not going to do the whole ritual thing...

Or am I the only one who thought that's what was going on there?

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Dear Maker.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Showing pictures of the horrible abominations you could encoutner during your career as a templar would be equivalent of your drill instructor/sergeant showing you pictures of the most horrible war injuries you could possibly aquire in a war... It would lower the morale of the entire class and would end up being more hurting more than helping... The instructor should rather train the classes mental disciplines and discipline in general..

[Theronyll Itholien]

Vaeliorin wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
I guess they really wanted to force the issue of someone giving that evil witch her demon baby.

That's what Dog (aka Rabbit) is for.  He's tainted, Morrigan turns into a dog when you tell her that you're not going to do the whole ritual thing...

Or am I the only one who thought that's what was going on there?

Theronyll Itholien wrote...
Oh, btw, this also promps another question: What about that full-plate heavy armor they're wearing while they are the hunters of mages? What good does that heavy stuff do against magic? They would be slower, and less likely to dodge a freakin' fireball. It's unpractical and although they look great... it doesn't really make sense.

Because obviously none of the abominations ever attack in melee.  They all stand back and throw fireballs, just like the demons.

Oh, wait....

Heyyy Sherlock! Didn't know you were joining the party

Then let me rephrase my point since logic is far out there in the distance for some, obviously....

When hunting apostates it's far less likely that they'll turn into abominations instead of using their magic against you. So why send out a group of templars are strapped up in heavy armor?

That the templars wear heavy armor during the Harrowing is very logical, since it's far more likely the mage'd transform into some horrible abomination.

[Reiella]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

I know.

Cullen, though, mentioned he had no idea what signs to look for NOR what they looked liked in the all-nasty form. The fact that he'd know to attack it once he sees it is irrelavent to my point.

Eh, only so many ways you can fail to describe something as Cthuluoid terror though.  Unimaginable terror, blah blah blah, just seems a bit silly to quabble over, sure, the folks won't know until they actually see one, but would describing something that's foreign to your mindset really help, or only serve to confuse?

"This is a Skeleton, if you see it walking around casting spells, that means it's possessed by a Pride Demon, you should kill it."
"So I don't kill other Skeletons that are walking around?"
"No, kill any Skeletons you see walking around, but if they cast spells, you want to kill them more."

Given Cullen's sense and how addled templar get after starting their lyrium addiction, I wouldn't be surprised at that conversation .

"Oh, so it's ok if they look like a freaky human with exposed muscles as long as there's not a strand of muscle going across their right eye and mouth?"
"Well, without that strand of muscle, you're most likly looking at a darkspawn in that case, and want to kill it anyway, but yes that's about the difference between an abomination and a hurlock.

[Nosuchluck]

Alistair did annoy me. He suddenly turns from my best friend who doesn't want to make decisions in to a ****y dick who wants to be king so he can command me to murder someone. Even without knowing that killing a Archdemon was a death sentence wasn't it bloody obvious I was taking Lohgain as cannon fodder? I'm just annoyed we didn't get the option to explain that to him. I just find it utterly pathetic that he decides that his personal revenge is far more important than stopping the entire country and possibly the world from being destroyed by a Blight.



From what we know an old Grey Warden is supposed to kill the Archdemon. There was no real reason for Duncan to tell Alistair because he was never supposed to be in that situation. Riordan just assumes you already know.

[Theronyll Itholien]

Bah, forget about the Templar thing.



Another reminder that discussions are, in general, pointless.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Templars are wearing the plate because it is anti-magic enchanted, and because they are not only mage-hunters and demonslayers but also peacekeepers.

[Reiella]

Nosuchluck wrote...

Alistair did annoy me. He suddenly turns from my best friend who doesn't want to make decisions in to a ****y dick who wants to be king so he can command me to murder someone. Even without knowing that killing a Archdemon was a death sentence wasn't it bloody obvious I was taking Lohgain as cannon fodder? I'm just annoyed we didn't get the option to explain that to him. I just find it utterly pathetic that he decides that his personal revenge is far more important than stopping the entire country and possibly the world from being destroyed by a Blight.

From what we know an old Grey Warden is supposed to kill the Archdemon. There was no real reason for Duncan to tell Alistair because he was never supposed to be in that situation. Riordan just assumes you already know.

Duncan was the father Alistair that he never had...  His reaction is very similar to Anora's...

[Eshaye]

If I remember correctly in the book The Calling, Duncan and Fiona have been wardens for a few months but they don't know a whole lot about it either. Duncan figures things out as time goes on, but it seems routine for senior wardens to be vague about crucial information. Perhaps they know people will freak out if they have too much time to think about it. :/

[Reiella]

Eshaye wrote...

If I remember correctly in the book The Calling, Duncan and Fiona have been wardens for a few months but they don't know a whole lot about it either. Duncan figures things out as time goes on, but it seems routine for senior wardens to be vague about crucial information. Perhaps they know people will freak out if they have too much time to think about it. :/

I think it's a simplier matter than that.  They don't want to remind themselves of what they are doing.  They don't want to have to commit others to the sacrifice they must suffer, and because of that they delay telling them.  Sure it makes things worse, but it's also a bit of a defense mechanism.

[Vaeliorin]

The Angry One wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...
That's what Dog (aka Rabbit) is for.  He's tainted, Morrigan turns into a dog when you tell her that you're not going to do the whole ritual thing...

Or am I the only one who thought that's what was going on there?

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Dear Maker.

Just out of curiosity, are you disturbed that I thougt of that, or that something along those lines might actually have happened?

[The Angry One]

Both.

[Miravlix]

The Angry One wrote...

I guess they really wanted to force the issue of someone giving that evil witch her demon baby.

What the hell is wrong with all those people that calls old gods demons.

Old Gods is not from the fade and has never ever been demons.

There is honor spirits, demons from the fade

There is darkspawn created perhaps due to mankind going to the fade

and then there is corrupted and uncorrupted old gods.

Morrigan want to give birth to a uncorrupted old god.

[Eshaye]

Also to note that the Chantry keeps saying the old Gods conspired to overthrow the Maker could very well not be the truth....



XD

[Maria Caliban]

Haasth wrote...

Riorden indeed does not seem to be the brightest Warden out there. But damn, he has some guts.

Of all the Grey Wardens I've seen, I'd rather have a reborn old god with him.

If you know what I mean.

[David Gaider]

Two things, then, since some people seem bewildered about it:



1) Riordan didn't interact with you for very long. It's possible he simply didn't realize that you were recruits -- or that if he did, that there was no way he could have thought that a showdown with the Archdemon would come down to just the three of you before the Orlesian Grey Wardens could be contacted and brought into Ferelden. The Grey Wardens play their cards pretty close to their chest in just about all instances (clearly) and don't really talk about the Archdemon Solution until it becomes a remote possibility that *someone* might have to take that blow. Normally you're talking about more than a handful of Wardens being present in a nation, so under normal circumstances a senior Warden is pretty confident that he (if anyone) is going to be there when that blow is struck.



And, yes, if circumstances had been different, clearly things would have played out differently. Duh. That's the plot. Probably Morrigan would have appreciated not being forced into making such a blatant offer -- but she saw her chance and had to take it. Probably Riordan shouldn't have taken such a risk by leaping upon the Archdemon, but what are you going to do when there's only three Grey Wardens in the city and the dragon has to come down NOW? This is simply the way it went.



2) When someone becomes an abomination, you know. The senior Templars didn't spell it out for Cullen because they said he would know. Him being angsty over the possibility that he wouldn't, in fact, know is just him never having seen one before. I'm sure if you talked to Cullen now you'd hear: 'Yes, I do in fact know what an abomination looks like. No, I don't think that one of those could sneak by me." Maybe they should have drawn him a picture? Maybe they just expected him to have faith.



I'll leave it at that.

[Naltair]

I support your message makes sense to me.

[Walina]

So, writers cornered us but did they ever though that they will hurt all the female players out there ? (And some male players too) Was is really necessary to turn things like that ?

Why can't we just purify the archedemon with the urn or even save the lives of our grey wardens with the urn ?Or ask Morrigan about the ritual ? Cause I really do not beleive she has to be to one to be pregnant.

You wanted a "Grey" phantasy but you've to admit during all of our journey we always helped a side which was always "right" one. So I will never admit in all my life that you were right to do that! To cheat on females players like that, just to make us ****** of (or to prepare the background of DAO 2) and I am not talking about the male players out there who romanced someone else than Morrigan...

You can't ask a soldier returning from Irak : if you wanna live you've to cheat on your wife!

Modifié par Walina, 18 novembre 2009 - 02:24 .

[David Gaider]

Walina wrote...
So, writers cornered us but did they ever though that they will hurt all the female players out there ? (And some male players too) Was is really necessary to turn things like that ?

Yes.

Why can't we just purify the archedemon with the urn

Because the urn doesn't do that? I'm sure the archdemon would thank you for healing it, however.

or even save the lives of our grey wardens with the urn ?

Which ones? The ones who are already dead? Were you thinking you would carry around the ashes in a baggie, dispense at will? You could only take a pinch, after all.

Or ask Morrigan about the ritual ? Cause I really do not beleive she has to be to one to be pregnant.

If you think Morrigan is going to let someone *else* have that child, you're quite mistaken.

You wanted a "Grey" phantasy but you've to admit during all of our journey we always helped a side which was always "right" one. So I will never admit in all my life that you were right to do that! To cheat on females players like that, just to make us ****** of (or to prepare the background of DAO 2) and I am not talking about the male players out there who romanced someone else than Morrigan...

If this game were a romance, and the point of the story was all about your romance, I *might* see how you have a point. It's not. While I'm sorry you didn't get the end to your romance that you'd hoped for, and that it was important to you, to equate that with "all female players being cheated" is kind of missing the point entirely. Again, I'm sorry you didn't get what you want, but we never promised you fluffy kittens.

You can't ask a soldier returning from Irak : if you wanna live you've to cheat on your wife!

Sorry, but that analogy just broke my brain. Congratulations.

Modifié par David Gaider, 18 novembre 2009 - 02:37 .

[Taritu]

My impression was that Riordan crippled the archdemon enough that it then had to fight you. It could only do small flights, and thus couldn't just fly away.



And hey, more guts than a slaughterhouse. I actually liked and respected Riordan, though I really wished he had succeeded, since him failing meant I had to do the job since I didn't go through all that trouble to put Alistair on the throne to let him do it, and no way was I trusting Morrigan to raise an old God, whether tainted or not. (Her mother turned her into a sociopath, why would I believe she wouldn't turn the kid into one?)

[Naltair]

I assume you meant Iraq.



This story is dark it's no picnic for any character and it is about sacrifice. That fighting to be free can and possibly will come at tremendous cost. Just how much will you sacrifice for victory? That is the crux of the story and it's hammered into the player from the moment Duncan recruits you. This is a Tragedy or it can be... but there is joy in the story.



Not every love story ends with happiness everlasting but as the cliche goes to have loved and lost is better than to never have loved at all. Despite all the darkness surrounding the heroes there is a light in their companionship and their story.



Just how I see it.

[Taritu]

Miravlix wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I guess they really wanted to force the issue of someone giving that evil witch her demon baby.

What the hell is wrong with all those people that calls old gods demons.

Old Gods is not from the fade and has never ever been demons.

There is honor spirits, demons from the fade

There is darkspawn created perhaps due to mankind going to the fade

and then there is corrupted and uncorrupted old gods.

Morrigan want to give birth to a uncorrupted old god.

If you believe her.  She's not exactly a trustworthy witness, and even if she believes it, Flemeth could have lied to her.  Plus, even if it's uncorrupted it's being raised by Morrigan, and given how badly Morrigan was raised, I shudder to think of a God raised by Morrigan.  Can you say power hungry bastard?  Sure you can.

The inability to give the grimoires to Wynne first (or read them yourself, if you're a mage), which is what I wanted to do is one of the things that irritated me most about the game.  I want a check on what Morrigan's saying, because there is no reason to trust her take on things.

Also I was a city elf, and the Tevinter empire under the Old Gods kept my people in slavery.  While I'm not a huge fan of Andraste, she did free my people.

I'll probably go with Morrigan's suggestion next time around, but I'll be mighty conflicted about it.

[Naltair]

David Gaider wrote...

Walina wrote...
So, writers cornered us but did they ever though that they will hurt all the female players out there ? (And some male players too) Was is really necessary to turn things like that ?

Yes.

You can't ask a soldier returning from Irak : if you wanna live you've to cheat on your wife!

Sorry, but that analogy just broke my brain. Congratulations.

Yeah it broke my brain as well.

[Eshaye]

I actually appreciated the ending was does not have a too clean and happy ending. There's lots of stories and games like that, this is supposed to be more gritty and so the end is fitting. Personally in life if I had to make the decision whether to have my husband bed another woman and give her a child or let him die or kill myself I have no shame in saying I'd pick the first option.. It's not a betrayal if all parties agree and it saves lives...