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[Levira]

I need some opinions from those that finished game with a warrior, sword and shield style. I started this game with a bunch of ideas in mind, do all origins etc , start first with main tank, sword and shield style, be a brute and charge in and protect my party members etc. Next play through mage, then rogue .

Without dragging on and making it long i will keep it short as i can and to the point. Right now I am a few quests about the "sacred ashe quest. Dragon makes my tank and ailistar look like they are level 1 again, ( they are 11 and 12 during that fight) so i left him alone and figured i would come back after some upgrades etc and way way more potions.. That fight seems like a range fight because  my mages have no problems taking on dragon but warriors get there butts handed to them and aare constantly jchugging pots. ANYWAYYYYSSSS...........

During the start, my warrior felt like a real warrior, tough brute, yea i got beat on but had to take potions, and i even soloed the fate with him which was not easy because i was running low on pots but i destroyed that no problem. Now after a few quests and areas past the sacred ashes * i am now a champion , couple into champ line, full warrior . and full of the other stuff EXCEPT shield mastery. Have a sword 9 damage very nice shield, good enchants, so my stuff is considered really good compared to what i have found yet  ( only stuff i see as upgrades cost about 100 gold etc).

It seems that as the story goes on , my warrior is getting weaker and weaker, running ouut of stamina? endurance? really quick now because of the mass amounts of mmobs i have to keep under control . Btw why didnt bioware add in like stamina potions? There are times when my warrior does TONS of damage but that is only when he is maxed stamina and i use his end line abilities, overpower etc etc . but when he is low , he sucks even more example: 4 enemies are sitting around 10% health, and i start missing where i am hoping to land 1 hit just to finish one off. but he misses so damn much its not even funny....Oh and by the way Allistar sucks too and i only keep him because of his awsome dialog and humor. I  am taking that sten guy next time.

Which brings me to this...... Morgan owns, she dominates, its not even funny but as i get further into the game i am controling morgan more then my main char! And yes i know the point is to control and micro manage all your chars which is fine. Just like BG2. But for crying out loud , i want a main char, like in bg2. And my main char sucks compared to Morgan. Morgan destroys everyone  and it feels almost too easy when i am controlling her but the times when i want to focus on my main char to keep things under control  , well he does crap damage, and just sucks. I am going to give this a few more tries and if he does not improve , i might just  play my mage early, ... game is amazing, but i am really hating my shield and sword warrior as the story goes on and the mobs get tougher.

Sorry for long rant, but please tell me they do get better! I know battles are tough but it just pisses me off that my warrior is feeling like he is just there for a meat shield and nothing else ! no damage, but has lots of hps and armor to last long , and is a master potion drinker

Modifié par Levira, 17 novembre 2009 - 11:28 .

[Lacan2]

Do not despair! Before giving up, read this.

Okay okay, don't feel bad. That battle is one of the most difficult in the game. I'm a mage, the strongest dual spec of Blood Mage + Arcane Warrior at level 16, and he made mincemeat of my party once. I had to reload, and then drink at least 20 health and 4 lyrium potions.

Mages are great against mobs but they don't do crap against high dragons, they just heal mainly. A few hits from a dragon and a normal, non-AW spec'd mage is dead.

Sword + shield warriors aren't bad. I know because Alistair can do a lot of damage, more than many of my 2h warriors. It seems bad at first, but the sword+shield warriors eventually even out with better gear. You also should have a healer in the party. Do other quests before that one, it is probably the hardest in the game other than Orzamar.

Modifié par Lacan2, 17 novembre 2009 - 11:34 .

[Schyzm]

if you happen to make a warrior or rogue pc it is probably smarter to control the mages in your group more often. they are vastly more powerful and will have a much larger impact on combat.



and no they don't get better. in fact some fourth tier warrior talents are actually worse than the auto attack. sten is no better, in fact sten might be worse because he can't take a specialization talent at lvl 8, so he gets half as many as others. if being worse mattered as a warrior.

[Jestert]

sword and board warrior is a tank, not dps. your job is to hold aggro while mages and rogues kill the mob. If you are running out of stamina, have mages cast rejuvinate on ya. also, you don't have to hit your special as soon as they come up, save your stamina and special for when you need them. sink couple of points into willpower also helps.

[Taleroth]

I love my Warrior. I'm having more fun than I did with my Mage.

[Levira]

Ok thanks, yes i have wym or whatever her name is full heal spec or trying to be full heal spec, but holy shhe uses u way to much mana! she goes to 0 mana very quick. But I use pots with her too. Yea I need those heals and yea my guy can last long during fights but just him in general, he feels so weak compared to what abilities he has now. Like when a mob is 1 hit away from dying and my guy just keeps missing? I guess your right though, I will stick it out and hope gear will improve my warrior. I realy like him, and he looks great in the shiny armor but the damage he does during battle is bad. Anyways, thanks  Yea i am sitting around 42 str , and 30 stamina i think at lvl 12, will put more into willpower for a bigger stamina pool.

Modifié par Levira, 17 novembre 2009 - 11:40 .

[addiction21]

Well the tanks are not there for damage just to hold the enemys back as much as possible. I do not even use any of the activated abilites beside taunt since they are useless in my eyes. I havent completed the game with my tank but what I did was just pump his strength up to get into massive armor then stopped adding anything to it and uped his dex 2 points a level and 1 into constitution. Not being hit adds to his ability to survive a lot.

For the dragons well they are a pain in the ass. I used a sword with three enchantment slots all filled with dwemor (adds physical resist) that maxed it to 100 and he was stunned/knockbacked/down a lot less.

Those baddies you can't get to attack him just cc and burn down. Hope it helps.

I also hear if you have 3 mages in your group the game plays itself and you can go watch tv while it rolls thru the game for you

[Schyzm]

Levira wrote...

Ok thanks, yes i have wym or whatever her name is full heal spec or trying to be full heal spec, but holy shhe uses u way to much mana! she goes to 0 mana very quick. But I use pots with her too. Yea I need those heals and yea my guy can last long during fights but just him in general, he feels so weak compared to what abilities he has now. Like when a mob is 1 hit away from dying and my guy just keeps missing? I guess your right though, I will stick it out and hope gear will improve my warrior. I realy like him, and he looks great in the shiny armor but the damage he does during battle is bad. Anyways, thanks

she has some offensive spells in her tactics selection, take them out.  then she will only cast offensively when you control her.

[Levira]

Yep i just did that, Have her for heals and buffs only, with those offensive spells, she was using way way to much power

[Magilicotti]

I've enjoyed all of the 3 main classes (I still have yet to pick up a sub class for the main hero character)



My first run through is happening with my Warrior however. 2 hand spec, and I eat mages for breakfast! They can burn me down if I just stand there waiting on them to cast, but, I have enough interrupts to tackle them just fine.



No complaints from me!

[surrealitycheck]

If you want some more dps, get some mages with weapon buffs (morrigan comes with frost weaps by default, bring along wynne with telekinetic / fiery) and give one of them haste. It will increase your damage a lot. Then if you take a 3rd member as a rogue with the bard song which increases damage, and take champion spec with a buff you should do some pretty respectable damage.

[Adamski_707]

I have to say seeing as comments above dont correspond to my experience.



I have a rouge dual weilding as my pc and him along with alistar can easily take most things down alone i only need a mage to cast the odd heal here or there and for harder creatures but they can hold their own and dish out decent damage.

[Orrus_Brosca]

Hm. DW warrior here but still the main tank for my party and didn't have too much trouble with the High Dragon. What are your stats put into? It seems like constitution might be the best stat for tanking but I honestly feel that pumping up your strength to wear your massive armor and then heavy into dex to get your best shield skills will give you the defensive edge, and much stronger swings to boot.

[Lacan2]

Levira wrote...

Ok thanks, yes i have wym or whatever her name is full heal spec or trying to be full heal spec, but holy shhe uses u way to much mana! she goes to 0 mana very quick. But I use pots with her too. Yea I need those heals and yea my guy can last long during fights but just him in general, he feels so weak compared to what abilities he has now. Like when a mob is 1 hit away from dying and my guy just keeps missing? I guess your right though, I will stick it out and hope gear will improve my warrior. I realy like him, and he looks great in the shiny armor but the damage he does during battle is bad. Anyways, thanks

Let me give you some further advice: save the high dragon for last. Honestly, I did and had a helluva time beating her. Do Orzammar 2nd to last and do her last. You'll need the elite gear you get along the way to help you in that battle.

Also, some tactics include this: don't bother casting spells against her. Worthless, imo. Set your mages to heal only. Morrigan was a Spirit Healer for me, so she could use mass heal (so helpful); this spell is a necessity. Heal your mages with minor healing potions, since their magic levels are high enough this should full-heal them. Never let one die. You and Alistair can be the tanks, non-tanks will get wiped out too quickly. Use any sort of balms/elixers for anti-fire that you have.

Also, the dragon is peculiar. Never get behind her: she has an automated attack that either kicks or tail swipes you into infinite stun lock. Take your tanks and flank her or get in front of her. Spread your healers out so that they can't be insta-killed by the breath weapon. That's the fight in a nutshell.

[Skemte]

I don't mind warriors.. The one thing I will say is the two hander spec sucks.. compared to the dual wielder..

[Schyzm]

Levira wrote...

Yep i just did that, Have her for heals and buffs only, with those offensive spells, she was using way way to much power

some of the buffs are really short cd, could probably take them off too.  

[GranitemonkeyX]

Yes I played through 2x as a mage (one as arcane war) and recently started a warrior. I think playing a normal warrior is harder than a mage on nightmare. With cc and dmg I never really needed a tank, I just kited anything that wasn't white or yellow name. You can pull cast through walls/doors, chug lyrium pots, dont need higher than t2 health poultices with a high magic score and most of the time can leave the party on hold while you go melt faces. There is NO need for a sword and board player ever, they just waste poultices.

[Schyzm]

GranitemonkeyX wrote...

Yes I played through 2x as a mage (one as arcane war) and recently started a warrior. I think playing a normal warrior is harder than a mage on nightmare. With cc and dmg I never really needed a tank, I just kited anything that wasn't white or yellow name. You can pull cast through walls/doors, chug lyrium pots, dont need higher than t2 health poultices with a high magic score and most of the time can leave the party on hold while you go melt faces. There is NO need for a sword and board player ever, they just waste poultices.

pwn

[Lacan2]

GranitemonkeyX wrote...

Yes I played through 2x as a mage (one as arcane war) and recently started a warrior. I think playing a normal warrior is harder than a mage on nightmare. With cc and dmg I never really needed a tank, I just kited anything that wasn't white or yellow name. You can pull cast through walls/doors, chug lyrium pots, dont need higher than t2 health poultices with a high magic score and most of the time can leave the party on hold while you go melt faces. There is NO need for a sword and board player ever, they just waste poultices.

That really only works if you have an Arcane Warrior spec.

Against a dragon or the elite bosses, pure mage party will get wiped. At least, that's the impression I got trying to cast spells against a dragon... result: *resisted* *resisted* *resisted*

[sofly]

I use sword and board exclusively, and offensively. I don't use any defensive stances. My ideal group is Me, Morrigan, and Wynne, with Alistar being the interchangeable character. I mainly keep him in for witty dialogue and because he is my fellow Warden.



One of my primary tactics is to frost cone a slew of mobs, then overpower/shatter them with myself and Alistar, then stonefist another with Wynne. 3 dead mobs everytime. Morrigan then blasts away the weakest remaining add. While my tanks are smacking around any orange boss with Wynne supporting. After all the adds are dead, Morrigan proceeds to bomb the main target.



She works well as a crowd controller for me. My sword and board is aggressive, and has great survivability. It's all in the tactics you choose to use. A little micromanaging at the start of the battle can and will change the outcome of every battle.



I wouldn't use anything other than sword and shield, except maybe dual-wield warrior.

[sofly]

I forgot to say, positioning your casters out of melee aoe range is a good way to support your sword and shield character. I keep Wynne and Morrigan behind me, in a triangle, with me being the tip closest to the enemy. The fourth party member I pretty much let do whatever they want.

[Kolaris8472]

I was in the same boat as you OP. Gave up on my Warrior (end-game too) because I wanted a bit of style the first time I beat the game. Chugging Health Poultices until everything keels over was just not cutting it. Playing a Mage, you have a ton of room for making Roleplay decisions. As Warrior - none.

[DragoonKain3]

My dagger/board dex focused tank laughs in the face of melee opponnent, especially if he has heroic defense on.



Until they grab him, which AFAIK is auto-hit and does so much damage that it might very well be insta-death despite your armor. In those cases, you need force field him or cone of cold the opponent, but apart from that, my tank does excellent in just standing there and avoiding hits.



During the one time when a tank is forced on me, I actually wiped a few times on nightmare since said tank did NOT have taunt, and being STR based, has damage mitigation, which is FAR inferior to a high defense build considering how many times he could not tank because of it.

[Nighteye2]

Levira wrote...

Ok thanks, yes i have wym or whatever her name is full heal spec or trying to be full heal spec, but holy shhe uses u way to much mana! she goes to 0 mana very quick. But I use pots with her too. Yea I need those heals and yea my guy can last long during fights but just him in general, he feels so weak compared to what abilities he has now. Like when a mob is 1 hit away from dying and my guy just keeps missing? I guess your right though, I will stick it out and hope gear will improve my warrior. I realy like him, and he looks great in the shiny armor but the damage he does during battle is bad. Anyways, thanks  Yea i am sitting around 42 str , and 30 stamina i think at lvl 12, will put more into willpower for a bigger stamina pool.

Have you been ignoring dex? That might explain why you miss so much...

[GranitemonkeyX]

My parties were never pure mage. I would just misdirection curse anything that hit really hard and when it would resist I'd fall back onto my CC abilities. Most of the tanking was actually done by Lellianna and she would just get fireballed or breathed on.



Between the CC and curses I didnt have any issues. With the poultice effect so high my mage made at least as effective if not a more effective tank than allistar. Each rank pretty much fully healed me, and I ended up around 300hp, granted I bought pretty much every high price item for my mage. The % magic school increase was crazy, esp stacked with the resistance curse.



I think people will start demanding war buffs once they play mages. Only thing I would recommend, if you have some difficulty early with limited spell selection, is doing the first parts of all the map locations before venturing too far into one early.