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[Augustei]

Is it just me or is this guy a giant ******.. I mean the general vibe he presents, the way he acts. This guy is annoying as hell.. And I really dont get why he is so reluctant to make your sibling a grey warden.. i mean they are going to die anyway how is the joining just as bad than a slow death from the taint? (Storud is the grey warden you meet during the Qunari attack / in the deep roads if anders leads you to him if your sibling gets the taint)

I hate this guy, if my warden came across him.. he'd beat him to death lol. The stupid mustache, the poor atitude.. this guy is a stick in the mud .
And he sounds like Riordan.. Riordan was a badass with his leap of faith onto a dragon, and well he was no **** when I met him.. Even after being held prisoner.

Anybody actually like Stroud?

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 27 mars 2011 - 09:58 .

[Whailor]

Yes, he's all business and no yammering. He already told in Deep Roads that they don't make anyone into Wardens just "out of mercy or to cure them". If you recall the wardens were selected, not just taken in from the random people someone drags to them. So it's obvious that he'd be reluctant, and the fact that he did accept Bethany or Carver was simply a last favor to Anders. Other then that he acted like a Grey Warden should, stay out of others business as Grey Wardens don't interfere. The Grey Warden we played in DAO had too unique situation and he was out of options, so he had to interfere in several areas or make choices. Things would have been otherwise if Cailan would not have been killed and Grey Wardens would have survived, they'd be also as neutral as possible, then. So Stroud is quite fine and does what he has to do. I'm not saying I "like" him, heck I only saw him in two or three glimpses throughout the whole game but he's OK in my book.

[da0Xeffect2]

I've haven't done the grey warden thing yet but I would understand Stroud's standing on the situation. They don't just take anyone into the order because of the circumstances. Duncan was quick to recruit because it was necessary but the Warden life is no picnic and could be called worse than death with nightmares and leaving your whole life behind you. Plus, he isn't really supposed to interfere. I mean, imagine the Wardens trying conscript everyone with the taint? Chances are that some might not even stay with the order. *cough* Anders *cough*
Yes, he might be an *** to Hawke in not wanting to conscript his/her sibling but he has good reason for it.

[MadMoskus]

Is he voiced by the same actor as Riordan in DA:O?

As the OP says, they sound exactly the same.

EDIT: I found it at last. They are the same.

Modifié par MadMoskus, 27 mars 2011 - 06:51 .

[The Angry One]

If "proper" Grey Warden policy is to never help even with an illegal foreign invasion (not an internal political matter) then I have to wonder how they ever got those treaties of cooperation in Ferelden.

I mean, what.. do all those treaties say "the dwarves, elves, mages and Ferelden humans are hereby obligated to aid the Grey Wardens in their hour of need. The Grey Wardens are not obligated to lift a finger to help the aformentioned parties even if their civilians are being killed by Qunari."

Sounds fair.

[MadMoskus]

Perhaps they were being very kind (or naive) when they signed those treaties :innocent:

You notice in Origins, they aren't exactly happy to help against the blight.

[Arppis]

The Angry One wrote...

If "proper" Grey Warden policy is to never help even with an illegal foreign invasion (not an internal political matter) then I have to wonder how they ever got those treaties of cooperation in Ferelden.

I mean, what.. do all those treaties say "the dwarves, elves, mages and Ferelden humans are hereby obligated to aid the Grey Wardens in their hour of need. The Grey Wardens are not obligated to lift a finger to help the aformentioned parties even if their civilians are being killed by Qunari."

Sounds fair.

It is as should be. This way they make sure that they are being neutral and working for the benefit of ALL. Not just small group.

[RubiconI7]

Chances are he is coming back in a DLC.

[Noatz]

Yeah **** him and his stupid moustache.

[The Angry One]

Arppis wrote...

It is as should be. This way they make sure that they are being neutral and working for the benefit of ALL. Not just small group.

A small group? They don't lift a finger to help a large city during a foreign invasion that's breaking the accords.
Why were they there in the first place? Obviously they wanted something in Kirkwall even if just supplies.
Maybe afterwards all merchants in Kirkwall should refuse to sell to Grey Wardens on the basis that they must remain neutral and not favour GWs over Darkspawn.

RubiconI7 wrote...

Chances are he is coming back in a DLC.

Hopefully I'll get to tear his mustache off and beat him with it.

Modifié par The Angry One, 27 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[WhiteKnyght]

The Angry One wrote...

If "proper" Grey Warden policy is to never help even with an illegal foreign invasion (not an internal political matter) then I have to wonder how they ever got those treaties of cooperation in Ferelden.

I mean, what.. do all those treaties say "the dwarves, elves, mages and Ferelden humans are hereby obligated to aid the Grey Wardens in their hour of need. The Grey Wardens are not obligated to lift a finger to help the aformentioned parties even if their civilians are being killed by Qunari."

Sounds fair.

The Grey Warden's policy is to preserve their neutrality. Meaning they cant take sides. If they helped Kirkwall they'd become enemies with the Qunari, and vise versa if they sided with the Qun.

The Blight threatens all nations, so its in the Warden's best interest to not get involved when two nations fight. People like Sophia Dryden didn't do the best job at it. Which is why Ferelden was the weakest link in the Fifth Blight.

[MKDAWUSS]

And the sad part is that he probably would boss the Hero of Ferelden around.

[The Angry One]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The Grey Warden's policy is to preserve their neutrality. Meaning they cant take sides. If they helped Kirkwall they'd become enemies with the Qunari, and vise versa if they sided with the Qun.

The Arishok's was an accord breaking attack that probably wasn't even recognised by the Qun unless they're stupider than I think.
Besides, marching off and refusing to help would surely be seen by the people of Kirkwall as "taking sides", so yeah the Qun who might still not help the Wardens due to their nature aren't provoked, but Kirkwall has just been alienated forever. Nice job, Stroud!

The Blight threatens all nations, so its in the Warden's best interest to not get involved when two nations fight. People like Sophia Dryden didn't do the best job at it. Which is why Ferelden was the weakest link in the Fifth Blight.

That Sophia failed doesn't make her actions wrong.

Modifié par The Angry One, 27 mars 2011 - 07:19 .

[Wulfram]

Stroud acted correctly in the Qunari invasion. The Wardens are not at war with the Qunari, they're at war with the Darkspawn.

[The Angry One]

Wulfram wrote...

Stroud acted correctly in the Qunari invasion. The Wardens are not at war with the Qunari, they're at war with the Darkspawn.

Let's say just for giggles that a Blight starts near the Free Marches some time in the future and  the Wardens need the support of Kirkwall.
The leaders of Kirkwall, remembering the historical event where in their hour of need the Wardens did nothing and left them to the mercies of the Arishok if not for the Champion, tell the Wardens to bugger off.

Yeah. Oops.

[Errol Dnamyx]

The Angry One wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Stroud acted correctly in the Qunari invasion. The Wardens are not at war with the Qunari, they're at war with the Darkspawn.

Let's say just for giggles that a Blight starts near the Free Marches some time in the future and  the Wardens need the support of Kirkwall.
The leaders of Kirkwall, remembering the historical event where in their hour of need the Wardens did nothing and left them to the mercies of the Arishok if not for the Champion, tell the Wardens to bugger off.

Yeah. Oops.

And then the Darkspawn demolish Kirkwall a week later. The leaders of Kirkwall don't seem to be very smart in that scenario.

Anyhoo, Stroud was busy hunting Morrigan and the Warden, there wasn't any time to help against the Qunari.

[WhiteKnyght]

The Angry One wrote...

That Sophia failed doesn't make her actions wrong.

Yes I know that. Although in the larger scope the Grey Wardens didn't need to act. And if she had succeeded she might have caused a negative influence for the Grey wardens in other nations.

The Grey Wardens are given a lot of privileges. They would lose those if the nations felt threatened by them.

[The Angry One]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

And then the Darkspawn demolish Kirkwall a week later. The leaders of Kirkwall don't seem to be very smart in that scenario.

Because everyone in Ferelden was perfectly willing to immediately help from the get go because of the Blight *and* the treaties right?
I never said resentment makes you particularily smart, but it'll exist all the time. The point is, Stroud alienates Kirkwall who otherwise would help in the future to not anger the Qun who most likely will never help either way.

Anyhoo, Stroud was busy hunting Morrigan and the Warden, there wasn't any time to help against the Qunari

Interesting theory considering my Warden's on the throne of Ferelden for at least 3 more years and Morrigan is in Dimension X or something.

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Yes I know that. Although in the
larger scope the Grey Wardens didn't need to act. And if she had
succeeded she might have caused a negative influence for the Grey
wardens in other nations.

The Grey Wardens are given a lot of privileges. They would lose those if the nations felt threatened by them.

True but my point is marching out of Kirkwall and letting it potentially fall because of the Arishok's spontaneous and illegal attack sets an equally bad precident, not just in Kirkwall. I doubt any city-state in the Free Marches would look kindly on the event.
This isn't about Grey Wardens marching out of their fortress to aid in a war, this is about a group of Wardens who were in the city and being attacked by Qunari themselves refusing to render aid once they were safe.

Modifié par The Angry One, 27 mars 2011 - 07:38 .

[WhiteKnyght]

The Angry One wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Stroud acted correctly in the Qunari invasion. The Wardens are not at war with the Qunari, they're at war with the Darkspawn.

Let's say just for giggles that a Blight starts near the Free Marches some time in the future and the Wardens need the support of Kirkwall.
The leaders of Kirkwall, remembering the historical event where in their hour of need the Wardens did nothing and left them to the mercies of the Arishok if not for the Champion, tell the Wardens to bugger off.

Yeah. Oops.

Hawke was apparently the only person who saw the Wardens there though. Also Stroud said there was something more urgent that required the Grey Wardens. If you read the epilogue of the Orlesian Warden in Awakening you'll see that there are rumors of a new Blight in the Anderfels.

Blight > Qunari

[PirateT138]

Being a Warden is a privilege, not a cure for the taint. I believe Stroud says something to that effect and he's correct. Beth/Carver would be useful but still, it's an honor, not just, OMFG PLEASE SAVE MEH!!!

And Wardens have bigger things to deal with that political squabbling.

He didn't bug me.

[The Angry One]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Hawke was apparently the only person who saw the Wardens there though.

They can't have gone unnoticed by others there, and what's to stop Hawke and their companions talking about it?

Also Stroud said there was something more urgent that required the Grey Wardens. If you read the epilogue of the Orlesian Warden in Awakening you'll see that there are rumors of a new Blight in the Anderfels.

Blight > Qunari

Which given that nothing is said about it years later was obviously just a rumor.
So even if we accept this then Stroud left civilians to die to chase a red herring. Charming.

[The Angry One]

PirateT138 wrote...

Being a Warden is a privilege, not a cure for the taint. I believe Stroud says something to that effect and he's correct. Beth/Carver would be useful but still, it's an honor, not just, OMFG PLEASE SAVE MEH!!!

Which is somewhat of a logic failure on Stroud's part.
If you have the taint and haven't been dragged off by the Darkspawn to become a ghoul you have clearly displayed the ability to fight them off, which allows you the benefit of the doubt at least.

[WhiteKnyght]

PirateT138 wrote...

Being a Warden is a privilege, not a cure for the taint. I believe Stroud says something to that effect and he's correct. Beth/Carver would be useful but still, it's an honor, not just, OMFG PLEASE SAVE MEH!!!

Privilige or not. A lot of people become ill and die from the blight sickness, yet the Grey Wardens have a treatment for it that they withold for their own uses. That contradicts their mission which is to save people from the Blight. What's the use of saving the world from the Darkspawn when its already dying from the plague they spread?

Also since when do the Wardens pass up talented recruits? Duncan or Riordan would jump for someone like Bethany or Carver. And they probably would have asked Hawke to join them too.

[The Angry One]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Privilige or not. A lot of people become ill and die from the blight sickness, yet the Grey Wardens have a treatment for it that they withold for their own uses. That contradicts their mission which is to save people from the Blight. What's the use of saving the world from the Darkspawn when its already dying from the plague they spread?

This part is understandable, at least.
Basically if you made everybody who falls sick a Grey Warden, even civilians (though civilians who get blighted tend to get dragged off that moment) you're creating masses of 30 year time bombs who will cause problems when they go through the Calling.
They'll also be Darkspawn magnets all their lives.

Also since when do the Wardens pass up talented recruits? Duncan or Riordan would jump for someone like Bethany or Carver. And they probably would have asked Hawke to join them too.

Because those two didn't have a twig up their rear ends.

Modifié par The Angry One, 27 mars 2011 - 08:20 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I have to wonder what the Grey Warden's role will be in the future if the Architect was spared (Which seems to be the default for all 3 generic imports makes me think the Staff wants it to be canon). When we go looking for Nathaniel he says that the Darkspawn are now the Grey Warden's allies down in the deep road so what exactly is the role of the Grey Wardens if not to fight the Darkspawn?

Perhaps they get turned into a police force in the deep roads to make sure no darkspawn try to look for any of the remaining old gods?