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[The Angry One]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I have to wonder what the Grey Warden's role will be in the future if the Architect was spared (Which seems to be the default for all 3 generic imports makes me think the Staff wants it to be canon). When we go looking for Nathaniel he says that the Darkspawn are now the Grey Warden's allies down in the deep road so what exactly is the role of the Grey Wardens if not to fight the Darkspawn?

Perhaps they get turned into a police force in the deep roads to make sure no darkspawn try to look for any of the remaining old gods?

Awakened Darkspawn =! all Darkspawn.
Also, Archdemons.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

The Angry One wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I have to wonder what the Grey Warden's role will be in the future if the Architect was spared (Which seems to be the default for all 3 generic imports makes me think the Staff wants it to be canon). When we go looking for Nathaniel he says that the Darkspawn are now the Grey Warden's allies down in the deep road so what exactly is the role of the Grey Wardens if not to fight the Darkspawn?

Perhaps they get turned into a police force in the deep roads to make sure no darkspawn try to look for any of the remaining old gods?

Awakened Darkspawn =! all Darkspawn.
Also, Archdemons.

I'm not sure what the first part of your response means

However while we're talking about Archdemons maybe the newly sentient Darkspawn could help the Wardens hunt down and destroy all the remaining old gods so there will never be a threat of a Blight driving the populace insane again. With that done I think the Wardens could be turned from warriors against Darkspawn to ambassadors who can freely interact with the Darkspawn without fear of taint... who knows maybe they could make a type of vaccine to give to people so the taint never happens again?

There could be alot of interesting things that could happen with the Wardens in DA3 and I'd like to see it being explored.

[The Angry One]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
I'm not sure what the first part of your response means

The Darkspawn under the Architect do not equal the sum total of all Darkspawn everywhere.
e.g. the mindless drones that attack you in the Deep Roads.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

True, but its only been a few years since the Architect was alowed to continue what he was aiming for. There are millions of Darkspawn in the Deep Roads that means that the Architect has to make the ritual drink that gives the Darkspawn sentience one at a time. Its going to take years for the majority of Darkspawn to become sentient. (Maybe in time for DA3 =)) But eventually the only Darkspawn that will remain are the ones that have sane minds which means the Warden's purpose will be completely redefined at that time.

[bleetman]

I wouldn't oversell it. They're still darkspawn, they're presumably still incapable of self-replicating, and if the Mother and her various Firsts are anything to go on, 'waking' the darkspawn poses considerable risks.

I imagine the dwarves would like their empire back, too.

Modifié par bleetman, 27 mars 2011 - 09:24 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

There's just as much risk from a sentient Darkspawn as there is with any other sentient being. However the Mother seems to be something that would only happen with a first generation darkspawn who could hear the Old Gods before being made sentient. In a second generation they would have never heard the song in the first place therefore they wouldn't have anything to go insane over.

Plus that is probably what the Grey Wardens are doing now. They see the Architect and his people as allies so they'd help make sure another Mother situation doesn't happena gain. As for self-replication the Architect is pretty good at magic he could probably come up with some kind of potion or ritual that allows brood mothers to give birth to female darkspawn as well as males

[The Angry One]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Plus that is probably what the Grey Wardens are doing now. They see the Architect and his people as allies so they'd help make sure another Mother situation doesn't happena gain. As for self-replication the Architect is pretty good at magic he could probably come up with some kind of potion or ritual that allows brood mothers to give birth to female darkspawn as well as males

This is assuming male Darkspawn are in fact *male*, or are fertile. Neither is likely given that there is no need for them to be.
It's also hypocritical to tolerate the existence of brood mothers or ghouls no matter if Darkspawn are sentient - they are innocent beings twisted into a state of perpetual madness and suffering.

[Dangerfoot]

Grey Wardens are kind of jerks. The only reason they have support is because the plot wills them to be beloved and ultra-powerful, despite the fact that they die just like anyone else.

[Demx]

Sounds like he was created to make Duncan look like a saint.

[PantheraOnca]

I have no problem with Stroud. The Grey Wardens fight darkspawn. That is all they do (or are supposed to do). If they start acting politically then they are liable to get drawn in to various double-dealing backstab-a-thons with local rulers which will hurt their chances of recruiting help more than not helping some city-state retain its power structure will.

Also, what the dwarves, humans, elves, etc get out of those treaties is that the Grey Wardens will fight the darkspawn for them as much as possible. That sounds like a fair trade to me.

[andysdead]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

PirateT138 wrote...

Being a Warden is a privilege, not a cure for the taint. I believe Stroud says something to that effect and he's correct. Beth/Carver would be useful but still, it's an honor, not just, OMFG PLEASE SAVE MEH!!!

Privilige or not. A lot of people become ill and die from the blight sickness, yet the Grey Wardens have a treatment for it that they withold for their own uses. That contradicts their mission which is to save people from the Blight. What's the use of saving the world from the Darkspawn when its already dying from the plague they spread?

Also since when do the Wardens pass up talented recruits? Duncan or Riordan would jump for someone like Bethany or Carver. And they probably would have asked Hawke to join them too.

The "cure" involves archdemon blood... and if archdemons don't just pop up but every thousand years or so, it seems to me that it's pretty important for them to save every last bit of that blood that they can.

[The Angry One]

PantheraOnca wrote....

Also, what the dwarves, humans, elves, etc get out of those treaties is that the Grey Wardens will fight the darkspawn for them as much as possible. That sounds like a fair trade to me.

The Grey Wardens will fight the Darkspawn either way since that's, you know, their job and all.

andysdead wrote...

The "cure" involves archdemon blood...
and if archdemons don't just pop up but every thousand years or so, it
seems to me that it's pretty important for them to save every last bit
of that blood that they can.

IIRC it's just a drop of archdemon blood into the mixture. Plus they just recently had a very large supply come into their hands..

Modifié par The Angry One, 27 mars 2011 - 09:55 .

[PantheraOnca]

Dangerfoot wrote...

Grey Wardens are kind of jerks.

Except for the whole interposing-self-between-you-and-ancient-evil thing they do.

[Fenn_]

andysdead wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

PirateT138 wrote...

Being a Warden is a privilege, not a cure for the taint. I believe Stroud says something to that effect and he's correct. Beth/Carver would be useful but still, it's an honor, not just, OMFG PLEASE SAVE MEH!!!

Privilige or not. A lot of people become ill and die from the blight sickness, yet the Grey Wardens have a treatment for it that they withold for their own uses. That contradicts their mission which is to save people from the Blight. What's the use of saving the world from the Darkspawn when its already dying from the plague they spread?

Also since when do the Wardens pass up talented recruits? Duncan or Riordan would jump for someone like Bethany or Carver. And they probably would have asked Hawke to join them too.

The "cure" involves archdemon blood... and if archdemons don't just pop up but every thousand years or so, it seems to me that it's pretty important for them to save every last bit of that blood that they can.

I wonder how long it tuke them to get the corpse off the tower.

[PantheraOnca]

The Angry One wrote...

PantheraOnca wrote....

Also, what the dwarves, humans, elves, etc get out of those treaties is that the Grey Wardens will fight the darkspawn for them as much as possible. That sounds like a fair trade to me.

The Grey Wardens will fight the Darkspawn either way since that's, you know, their job and all.

But their entire force can't be everywhere. they need local assistance. this assistance is given because the grey wardens are guaranteed to lessen the effect any blight will have in your area. alternatively, you could not sign the treaty and be blighted while the grey wardens protect those they have treaties with (yay extortion).

Basically what i'm saying is why ****** off the grey wardens by not helping when you could send some assistance and let them take the majority of the casualties.

[Dangerfoot]

PantheraOnca wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

Grey Wardens are kind of jerks.

Except for the whole interposing-self-between-you-and-ancient-evil thing they do.

And yet they rely on tons and tons of outside forces. They hardly deserve the emense worship that everyone lavishes upon them at every turn.

Duncan and Stroud were both jerks, and really never displayed any of the amazing leadership skills that I'm sure I was supposed to see in them.

[The Angry One]

PantheraOnca wrote...

Basically what i'm saying is why
****** off the grey wardens by not helping when you could send some
assistance and let them take the majority of the casualties.

It goes both ways though.
The idea that the Grey Wardens will protect you from the evil Darkspawn is rather diminished when your city is overrun by Qunari and your leader's heads are rolling down the steps.

Remember, this isn't about Kirkwall sending a message to Weisshaupt going "HALP!", this is about a
group of Grey Wardens who were already there and being attacked by Qunari.
Stroud could've easily aided Kirkwall and if the Qun actually had the gall to complain given that the Arishok's attack was illegal, Stroud could claim self defense.

Modifié par The Angry One, 27 mars 2011 - 10:05 .

[TheBlackBaron]

I have a theory that Stroud is actually simply a reanimated corpse being controlled by his mustache, which has contracted the Blight and uniquely developed sentience and delusions of grandeur. He's taking those other Wardens to a nest of such sentient Blighted Mustaches in order to likewise infect them and begin his rise to power.

[Demx]

PantheraOnca wrote...

I have no problem with Stroud. The Grey Wardens fight darkspawn. That is all they do (or are supposed to do). If they start acting politically then they are liable to get drawn in to various double-dealing backstab-a-thons with local rulers which will hurt their chances of recruiting help more than not helping some city-state retain its power structure will.

Also, what the dwarves, humans, elves, etc get out of those treaties is that the Grey Wardens will fight the darkspawn for them as much as possible. That sounds like a fair trade to me.

lol Isn't that exactly what your warden can do in Origins?

[The Angry One]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I have a theory that Stroud is actually simply a reanimated corpse being controlled by his mustache, which has contracted the Blight and uniquely developed sentience and delusions of grandeur. He's taking those other Wardens to a nest of such sentient Blighted Mustaches in order to likewise infect them and begin his rise to power.

This in DLC nao.

[PantheraOnca]

Siradix wrote...

PantheraOnca wrote...

I have no problem with Stroud. The Grey Wardens fight darkspawn. That is all they do (or are supposed to do). If they start acting politically then they are liable to get drawn in to various double-dealing backstab-a-thons with local rulers which will hurt their chances of recruiting help more than not helping some city-state retain its power structure will.

Also, what the dwarves, humans, elves, etc get out of those treaties is that the Grey Wardens will fight the darkspawn for them as much as possible. That sounds like a fair trade to me.

lol Isn't that exactly what your warden can do in Origins?

Yes, but I would argue those were special circumstances. Also, just because the general policy of non-interference has been violated does not mean that there should be a new policy of constantly involving oneself in local matters.

[TheBlackBaron]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Did anyone else notice how much he sounds like Riordan? I'm a huge fan of Riordan. I thought they reanimated his corpse and slapped an ugly mustache on him against his will.

He has the same VA as Riordan - the pool of fake French accents for Orlesians seems to be small.

Come to think of it, if we take the "corpse reanimated by Blight Mustache" idea from above...

[Demx]

PantheraOnca wrote...

Siradix wrote...

PantheraOnca wrote...

I have no problem with Stroud. The Grey Wardens fight darkspawn. That is all they do (or are supposed to do). If they start acting politically then they are liable to get drawn in to various double-dealing backstab-a-thons with local rulers which will hurt their chances of recruiting help more than not helping some city-state retain its power structure will.

Also, what the dwarves, humans, elves, etc get out of those treaties is that the Grey Wardens will fight the darkspawn for them as much as possible. That sounds like a fair trade to me.

lol Isn't that exactly what your warden can do in Origins?

Yes, but I would argue those were special circumstances. Also, just because the general policy of non-interference has been violated does not mean that there should be a new policy of constantly involving oneself in local matters.

The only thing special about them were they wouldn't say yes, until their problem was solved first. And they wouldn't give a rat's ass even if Ferelden fell to the darkspawn. I also never said that they should constantly be involved with local matters, you came to that conclusion on your own.

[MKDAWUSS]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Did anyone else notice how much he sounds like Riordan? I'm a huge fan of Riordan. I thought they reanimated his corpse and slapped an ugly mustache on him against his will.

He has the same VA as Riordan - the pool of fake French accents for Orlesians seems to be small.

Come to think of it, if we take the "corpse reanimated by Blight Mustache" idea from above...

You'd've thought someone from a local French TV station would have been available. Isn't that what local TV personalities do in their spare time?