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[Vhalkyrie]

Why did Danarius wait so long to recapture Fenris?  In Act 1 when you pick up Fenris and go to Danarius' mansion, Danarius has fled.  By Act 2, Fenris says it's the longest Danarius has gone without trying to recapture him.  Says something about safety in numbers.  But why?  In Act 1, Hawke is just a mercenary, he/she wouldn't have been much of a threat to him then.  He starts laying a trap in Act 2, but he waited until Act 3 to attack, by which time Hawke is the Champion and very powerful.

I can't figure out why Danarius fled in Act 1.  He was a powerful magister, and Hawke was still fledgling.  Surely he wouldn't have thought he/she was a threat at that time.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 27 mars 2011 - 01:11 .

[Thiefy]

maybe the qunari presences has something to do with it?

[Vhalkyrie]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

maybe the qunari presences has something to do with it?

Ahhh...good point.

[GeoffL19]

Because otherwise Fenris' character development would only have consisted of him brooding for 2 acts.

[Nerivant]

Because walking to Kirkwall from the Imperium is hard, and Denarius is too cheap to use alternate methods.

[Xewaka]

Danarius never appeared in my game.
Fenris quest in act 2 is extremely easy to miss, as it is the only one that needs the player to travel with Fenris in the party to a specific point to activate, unlike the rest of companion quests, which trigger with the companion asking you for a meeting in their base.
I don't know who assumed Fenris would be interesting enough to always carry around in the party and have the quest triggered. Whoever it was, he was wrong.

Modifié par Xewaka, 27 mars 2011 - 02:58 .

[NugWrangler]

I think Danarius is a senator. He would have other responsibilities greater than chasing down Fenris. So maybe something came up and he couldn't find the time to hunt him again until act 3.

I also suspect that Danarius was never really in Kirkwall during act 1. He had no reason to run away, it would have been easy to corner Fenris in his mansion. All those demons could have been summoned by an apprentice.

[Vhalkyrie]

BPearl12 wrote...

I think Danarius is a senator. He would have other responsibilities greater than chasing down Fenris. So maybe something came up and he couldn't find the time to hunt him again until act 3.

I also suspect that Danarius was never really in Kirkwall during act 1. He had no reason to run away, it would have been easy to corner Fenris in his mansion. All those demons could have been summoned by an apprentice.

Ahh that's right.  I vaguely recall Fenris mentioning maybe Danarius was never in Kirkwall at all, he just assumed he was.

[Masako52]

I wondered this, too? I mean, in Act 3 was he finally just sick of his slavers and mercenaries failing that he decided to go pick up Fenris himself? But then, why the show of using Variana, Fenris's sister, to "trick" him into going to The Hanged Man..? Doesn't he know that Fenris is squatting in his old mansion? If not, surely he could've figured it out, or sent someone to ask around Kirkwall where that elf with all the weird tattoos is. lol

Honestly, it was probably just to make Act 3 more dramatic with every character quest. Still, justifying it from Danarius's point of view seems a little forced.

[Vhalkyrie]

Masako52 wrote...

I wondered this, too? I mean, in Act 3 was he finally just sick of his slavers and mercenaries failing that he decided to go pick up Fenris himself? But then, why the show of using Variana, Fenris's sister, to "trick" him into going to The Hanged Man..? Doesn't he know that Fenris is squatting in his old mansion? If not, surely he could've figured it out, or sent someone to ask around Kirkwall where that elf with all the weird tattoos is. lol

Honestly, it was probably just to make Act 3 more dramatic with every character quest. Still, justifying it from Danarius's point of view seems a little forced.

If he had come and started asking around, Aveline would have caught wind.  Fenris was also widely known to be a friend of the Champion at this point, so word would get around.  Varric at least would have his ear to the ground.  If you remember when Fenris first tells you about Varania at the Hanged Man, he was desperate to know if it was a trap.  Danarius wanted the advantage of surprise.

Still, 10 years to recover what he desperately wanted back just seems...odd.  I'm hoping it can be explained by Danarius being very tied up with problems in Tevinter.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 27 mars 2011 - 04:47 .

[Siegdrifa]

DAMN !
The quest didn't show up the whole game, i started to think it would be done on a DLC or may be DA3

... why did i miss? i regulary go to talk to him in his house especialy during act2 and 3 even if nothing was written in my journal quest but he had nothing to tell me, the last thing he talked to me was his past...

By the way, in act2 with Varric and his brother estat, i had no quest such as finding a heal or a way treat his demantia.
I gave varric the shard, he told me he will use it to save his brother, but nothing.
Did i miss something again?

[Vhalkyrie]

Siegdrifa wrote...

DAMN !
The quest didn't show up the whole game, i started to think it would be done on a DLC or may be DA3

... why did i miss? i regulary go to talk to him in his house especialy during act2 and 3 even if nothing was written in my journal quest but he had nothing to tell me, the last thing he talked to me was his past...

By the way, in act2 with Varric and his brother estat, i had no quest such as finding a heal or a way treat his demantia.
I gave varric the shard, he told me he will use it to save his brother, but nothing.
Did i miss something again?

In Act 2, you have to have Fenris in your party, then go to the bone pit, I think.  You won't make it to the bone pit, but will get waylaid by slavers trying to recover Fenris.  You kill Danarius' apprentice, which triggers the Fenris romance scene (if you started a romance).

In Act 3, first time you visit Fenris' house, he will tell you his sister is in town.  That's when you confront Danarius.

As for the Bartrand quest, you don't get a way to treat him.  Not in DA2, anyway.   Varric just mentions something about putting him in an asylum, but doesn't know what else to do.

[Heidenreich]

The bone pit or sundermount. It wont work if you go to the wounded coast.

[Siegdrifa]

You have my thanks : )

[The Cannibal Factory]

"Why Did Danarius Wait So Long?"

He was trying to figure out what was in the empty box that Fenris asked about in Act 1, and which was never brought up again. Eventually he gave up.

[MG800]

I don't understand why he bothered to attack us at all. If he didn't care to do it in first or secund act, when Hawke was nothing why so suicidal now, when s/he defeated Arishok (single-handly or not)? He really thought it'll take only few shades, some soon-to-be-bloodsmear, rage demon and his humble self to take THAT? (btw. never handed him over - this smirk makes any of my Hawke ready to trade their pants just to get to him, and make a bloody mess)

[Vhalkyrie]

Lady Vengeance wrote...

"Why Did Danarius Wait So Long?"

He was trying to figure out what was in the empty box that Fenris asked about in Act 1, and which was never brought up again. Eventually he gave up.

What was in that box is driving me nuts, too!  Danarius lured him there with something he wanted that was supposed to be in the box.  What was it??

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 27 mars 2011 - 04:34 .

[Vhalkyrie]

MG800 wrote...

I don't understand why he bothered to attack us at all. If he didn't care to do it in first or secund act, when Hawke was nothing why so suicidal now, when s/he defeated Arishok (single-handly or not)? He really thought it'll take only few shades, some soon-to-be-bloodsmear, rage demon and his humble self to take THAT? (btw. never handed him over - this smirk makes any of my Hawke ready to trade their pants just to get to him, and make a bloody mess)

To attack Hawke in Act 3 takes someone with megalomaniac tendancies, or insanity.  I think Danarius would fit in the former.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 27 mars 2011 - 04:45 .

[The Cannibal Factory]

Vhalkyrie wrote...
To attack Hawke in Act 3 takes someone with megalomaniac tendancies, or insanity.

This actually joins in with my theory. Not knowing what was in that box drove Danarius insane, causing him to finally seek out Fenris. Possibly to ask him WHAT THE HECK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THAT BOX.

[Asdara]

Knowing Fenris, probably his angst filled diary. Don't get me wrong... I do love the broody bastard, but yeah that would fit. Maybe something of his mother's if I'm in a kinder mood. Probably personal, not of great worldly value.

Why does the hunt take time? Maybe because we rise as Champion after his pet apprentice fails and we've got friends in high places who keep information from leaking about our companions. Like Varric taking care of the thugs in Darktown for Anders or Avaline routing her guards away from where Fenris is squatting. Could be he had to think hard about if getting Fenris back was really worth the risks, and had to arrange an ace-in-the-hole with the sister's ploy. That had to take some time to get her away from her previous employer, relocate, convince, arrange, and execute the journey. So, yes, a few years - add to that waiting for Fenris to "find" her - couldn't make it obvious like her just popping out of the woodwork on a pleasure trip to Kirkwall just coincidentally.

[Vhalkyrie]

Asdara wrote...

Knowing Fenris, probably his angst filled diary. Don't get me wrong... I do love the broody bastard, but yeah that would fit. Maybe something of his mother's if I'm in a kinder mood. Probably personal, not of great worldly value.

Why does the hunt take time? Maybe because we rise as Champion after his pet apprentice fails and we've got friends in high places who keep information from leaking about our companions. Like Varric taking care of the thugs in Darktown for Anders or Avaline routing her guards away from where Fenris is squatting. Could be he had to think hard about if getting Fenris back was really worth the risks, and had to arrange an ace-in-the-hole with the sister's ploy. That had to take some time to get her away from her previous employer, relocate, convince, arrange, and execute the journey. So, yes, a few years - add to that waiting for Fenris to "find" her - couldn't make it obvious like her just popping out of the woodwork on a pleasure trip to Kirkwall just coincidentally.

Excellent points, about the time taken to arrange the setup with Fenris' sister.  It occurred to me, how devious Danarius was.  He sent Hadriana, his favorite apprentice, on what he probably expected to be a death sentence.  If she succeeded, then he wins.  If she failed, then plant her with information about Fenris' sister as bait to use as a bargaining chip.  He now has no apprentice, so he offers it to Fenris' sister.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 27 mars 2011 - 05:02 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Asdara wrote...

Knowing Fenris, probably his angst filled diary. Don't get me wrong... I do love the broody bastard, but yeah that would fit. Maybe something of his mother's if I'm in a kinder mood. Probably personal, not of great worldly value.

Perhaps his collection of Linkin Park CDs?

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 27 mars 2011 - 05:02 .

[Sarah1281]

What I want to know is why he was so obsessed with reclaiming Fenris in the first place. Was it just a matter of pride or something? How expensive could that lyrium possibly be that it would make all those years of hunting him financially worth it? Then again, I doubt the markings in the first place were fiscally responsible.

[Vhalkyrie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

What I want to know is why he was so obsessed with reclaiming Fenris in the first place. Was it just a matter of pride or something? How expensive could that lyrium possibly be that it would make all those years of hunting him financially worth it? Then again, I doubt the markings in the first place were fiscally responsible.

I think it was partially a matter of pride.  Warriors with lyrium markings were very expensive, and very rare.  Fenris was paraded around as a showing of Danarius' wealth, power and status in Tevinter.  Losing him was probably a source of great embarrassment among the magisters.  He was never going to stop looking for him.

Now that I think about it, being forced to go to Kirkwall himself may have been due to political embarrassment.  His inability to recover his expensive trophy slave was a sign of weakness for his rivals to exploit.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 27 mars 2011 - 05:28 .

[ejoslin]

Asdara wrote...

Knowing Fenris, probably his angst filled diary. Don't get me wrong... I do love the broody bastard, but yeah that would fit. Maybe something of his mother's if I'm in a kinder mood. Probably personal, not of great worldly value.

Fenris can't read, though...