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I'm not asking why Liara was in the game. She, like Tali, is crucial to completing your mission against Saren. Unlike Tali however she serves no function on the ship. Her knowledge is useful but that could be accessed through occasional trips to the Citadel where she's roomed up in a posh hotel. There's no reason to have her on the ship, even less reason to be on the ground team.
Tali, Garrus, Wrex all have some level of combat training (Tali has the least but she's demonstrated she can handle herself in a fight); Liara has none. She is an archaeologist, a scientist, a nerd. Why are we throwing her into combat? It makes no sense.
Aside from that she has no knowledge or skills that can be applied on the Normandy. Everyone else, even Wrex, has skills that can be transferred to jobs on the Normandy (I say can though Wrex doesn't appear to). Garrus tinkers with Mako, Tali works in Engineerig, Wrex could probably assist Williams with weapons. Liara meanwhile does nothing she sits in the back of med-bay and drains resources. She's a leech, why is she on the ship?
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Why is Liara On-Board?
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 03:00
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I think it's stated that she's there for protection. Saren sent his troops on Therum because of her, remember? Plus the Normandy is almost undetectable.
If you have Wrex on the team, after recruiting her he will say that her biotics "will come in hand." Being a nerd doesn't mean she never trained her skills. Her abilities in combat also prove that point.
If you have Wrex on the team, after recruiting her he will say that her biotics "will come in hand." Being a nerd doesn't mean she never trained her skills. Her abilities in combat also prove that point.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 03:00
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Well, the simple answer would be her biotics. She said that she's encountered plenty of trouble from local wildlife and raiding mercenaries but nothing she couldn't handle with her biotics. So we can assume she's no stanger to combat, and single combat no less. If I were to guess, I'd say Benezia had her daughter at least take the perliminaries in commando training.
And as for pulling their weight, if you read the blurbs you get from scanning, I'm fairly certain in mentions Liara helping identify some of the stuff you haul in. More than that; another answer would simply be her knowledge of the Protheans was useful.
And as for pulling their weight, if you read the blurbs you get from scanning, I'm fairly certain in mentions Liara helping identify some of the stuff you haul in. More than that; another answer would simply be her knowledge of the Protheans was useful.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 03:22
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PetrySilva wrote...
I think it's stated that she's there for protection. Saren sent his troops on Therum because of her, remember? Plus the Normandy is almost undetectable.
And you couldn't just say, "Hey Anderson this person's important, keep them safe." C-Sec isn't capable of protecting her (ok they're probably not but still)?
PetrySilva wrote...
If you have Wrex on the team, after recruiting her he will say that her biotics "will come in hand." Being a nerd doesn't mean she never trained her skills. Her abilities in combat also prove that point.
I don't doubt her ability just her fortitude. Being a nerd might not mean she has no skills but it does suggest she'll hold up under pressure as well as a pop can.
IndigoWolfe wrote...
Well, the simple answer would be her biotics. She said that she's encountered plenty of trouble from local wildlife and raiding mercenaries but nothing she couldn't handle with her biotics. So we can assume she's no stanger to combat, and single combat no less. If I were to guess, I'd say Benezia had her daughter at least take the perliminaries in commando training.
Even if that were the case she's handled wild beasts and the occassional merc group that's small scale. Shepard is walking into war-zones. Case-in point when Saren's forces showed up on Therum did she think, "Alright I can handle this." or did she think "Oh **** I'm in over my head I better get to safety." And we fight what 10, 15 Geth inside the actual dig sight. If a couple dozen enemies was enough to run and hide I don't like her chances on Virmire, Feros, Noveria, or Ilos.
IndigoWolfe wrote...
And as for pulling their weight, if you read the blurbs you get from scanning, I'm fairly certain in mentions Liara helping identify some of the stuff you haul in.
Well I suppose I'd have to do the scanning to get that first. However that's something she could do off-ship, probably better. You find junk, you ship junk to Citadel, Liara identifies junk in the comforts of a properly outfitted facility.
Again I have nothing against the character (well ok I have a fair bit against the character) she just seems out of place on a military ship looking for a fight.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 03:27
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It's a mission to find a Prothean artifact. She's a mission specialist.
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Wrex is right. Her biotics are handy.
When she's not fighting, you can make up a number of excuses. She's trying to figure out where's the Mu relay, she's analyzing your visions, she's doing this and that. I don't know what's Kaidan doing either, I just assume he's doing something tech-related.
With these two reasons in mind, having them on board is a better option than the alternative. And, as you can see in the game, she certainly can hold up the pressure in a gunfight.
When she's not fighting, you can make up a number of excuses. She's trying to figure out where's the Mu relay, she's analyzing your visions, she's doing this and that. I don't know what's Kaidan doing either, I just assume he's doing something tech-related.
With these two reasons in mind, having them on board is a better option than the alternative. And, as you can see in the game, she certainly can hold up the pressure in a gunfight.
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She's an LI, she has to hang around. Besides look at each mission as a moment of personal growth for her, that way she matures into the Liara the Shadow Broker. I wouldn't call her a leech, that's for sure.
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Her Powerful Biotics (as most Asari are naturals) are a very useful asset in combat.
Her melding ability helps Shepard understand his/her vision.
Her relation to Benezia meant she is vital to the mission (needs protection/could be used to influnce Benezia).
Her knowladge about Protheans and ancient races could come in handy with decyphering recovered artifacts.
Her being the love interest (in some cases) means Shepard will want to keep her close.
Hello .. many of the other crew memebers had any zero war experiance and never handled anything more than mercs themselves .. Garrus was C-Sec officer (they mostly deal with mercs) .. Wrex was a merc himself (again mostly deal with other mercs) ... Tali is a vagrant engineer (on pilgrimage so as not to ****** off Tali fans XD) with very little combat experiance ... Liara is no different from them.
Yeah .. becasue Saren will wait ..come on .. it is way better to be able to do stuff on the fly and have as many facilities and specialized crew on board the Normandy to handle anything that comes at them .. specially when you are chasing a lunatic across the galaxy .. there is no time to ship stuff back and forth.
No no no .. you are prejudiced aganist Liara .. i know it
Her melding ability helps Shepard understand his/her vision.
Her relation to Benezia meant she is vital to the mission (needs protection/could be used to influnce Benezia).
Her knowladge about Protheans and ancient races could come in handy with decyphering recovered artifacts.
Her being the love interest (in some cases) means Shepard will want to keep her close.
DPSSOC wrote...
Even if that were the case she's handled wild beasts and the occassional merc group that's small scale. Shepard is walking into war-zones. Case-in point when Saren's forces showed up on Therum did she think, "Alright I can handle this." or did she think "Oh **** I'm in over my head I better get to safety." And we fight what 10, 15 Geth inside the actual dig sight. If a couple dozen enemies was enough to run and hide I don't like her chances on Virmire, Feros, Noveria, or Ilos.
Hello .. many of the other crew memebers had any zero war experiance and never handled anything more than mercs themselves .. Garrus was C-Sec officer (they mostly deal with mercs) .. Wrex was a merc himself (again mostly deal with other mercs) ... Tali is a vagrant engineer (on pilgrimage so as not to ****** off Tali fans XD) with very little combat experiance ... Liara is no different from them.
DPSSOC wrote...
Well I suppose I'd have to do the scanning to get that first. However that's something she could do off-ship, probably better. You find junk, you ship junk to Citadel, Liara identifies junk in the comforts of a properly outfitted facility.
Yeah .. becasue Saren will wait ..come on .. it is way better to be able to do stuff on the fly and have as many facilities and specialized crew on board the Normandy to handle anything that comes at them .. specially when you are chasing a lunatic across the galaxy .. there is no time to ship stuff back and forth.
DPSSOC wrote...
Again I have nothing against the character (well ok I have a fair bit against the character) she just seems out of place on a military ship looking for a fight.
No no no .. you are prejudiced aganist Liara .. i know it
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:04
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And you couldn't just say, "Hey Anderson this person's important, keep them safe." C-Sec isn't capable of protecting her (ok they're probably not but still)?
Since the beggining the Counil said it's possible Saren had agents in the Citadel. If that's true, what are the chances of some them being in C-sec or having C-sec friends?
Anyway, as a stealth ship, and considering Saren's power, influence and connections, the Normandy was the safest place for her.
I don't doubt her ability just her fortitude. Being a nerd might not mean she has no skills but it does suggest she'll hold up under pressure as well as a pop can.
We don't know exactly how was her trainning in biotics, but I would suggest that that part of her life gave her some skills in "being sane" under battle's pressure.
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Posté 27 mars 2011 - 05:14
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"I don't doubt her ability just her fortitude. Being a nerd might not mean she has no skills but it does suggest she'll hold up under pressure as well as a pop can."
Hmmmm well after playing ME1 and 2 its clear she doesn't have this problem so yeah.....
Hmmmm well after playing ME1 and 2 its clear she doesn't have this problem so yeah.....
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[quote]CaptainZaysh wrote...
It's a mission to find a Prothean artifact. She's a mission specialist.[/quote]
We're on a mission to track and kill a dangerous fugitive; our best bet is simply to find the artifact, but we don't really need Liara with us to do that (we could stop in for melding to get the Ilos revelation all other clues do not come from Liara).
[quote]Nyoka wrote...
When she's not fighting, you can make up a number of excuses. She's trying to figure out where's the Mu relay, she's analyzing your visions, she's doing this and that. I don't know what's Kaidan doing either, I just assume he's doing something tech-related.[/quote]
Yes but none of the things she could do on the Normandy, need to be done on the Normandy. It's not like Tali where you can only take advantage of her expertise by having her in Engineering, Liara doesn't need the Normandy to work those things out, in fact she'd probably do better in a proper facility.
[quote]Nyoka wrote...
With these two reasons in mind, having them on board is a better option than the alternative. And, as you can see in the game, she certainly can hold up the pressure in a gunfight.[/quote]
When the decision is made the only thing I've seen her do combat wise is cower on the floor when the Krogan attacks (also not a good runner). Not exactly a great impression.
[quote]Fiddles_stix wrote...
She's an LI, she has to hang around. Besides look at each mission as a moment of personal growth for her, that way she matures into the Liara the Shadow Broker. I wouldn't call her a leech, that's for sure.[/quote]
Does she contribute to the day-to-day runnings of the ship? No? She's a leech, a valuable leech perhaps but a leech. And I don't know about being an LI, she and Shepard could do the long distance thing.
[quote]Hunter-Wolf wrote...
Her Powerful Biotics (as most Asari are naturals) are a very useful asset in combat.
Her melding ability helps Shepard understand his/her vision.
Her relation to Benezia meant she is vital to the mission (needs protection/could be used to influnce Benezia).
Her knowladge about Protheans and ancient races could come in handy with decyphering recovered artifacts.
Her being the love interest (in some cases) means Shepard will want to keep her close.[/quote]
In bold the things she doesn't need to be on the ship to do, in italics the stuff we can't know when the decision is made or could be completely irrellevant (by the time I get to Therum Benezia's dead for example).
[quote]Hunter-Wolf wrote...
Hello .. many of the other crew memebers had any zero war experiance and never handled anything more than mercs themselves .. Garrus was C-Sec officer (they mostly deal with mercs) .. Wrex was a merc himself (again mostly deal with other mercs) ... Tali is a vagrant engineer (on pilgrimage so as not to ****** off Tali fans XD) with very little combat experiance ... Liara is no different from them.[/quote]
Garrus, like every Turian, served in the Turian Military (in the codex it mentions all Turians serve at least a little if memory serves), Wrex has centuries of combat experience, and Tali possesses skills that can only be used on the Normandy that don't involve combat. Liara has nothing. We see her react to danger by hiding and when I get to her she believes she's hallucinating. So no displayed combat ability plus displayed mental instability equals somebody I don't want to bring into a fight (and I don't).
[quote]Hunter-Wolf wrote...
Yeah .. becasue Saren will wait ..come on .. it is way better to be able to do stuff on the fly and have as many facilities and specialized crew on board the Normandy to handle anything that comes at them .. specially when you are chasing a lunatic across the galaxy .. there is no time to ship stuff back and forth.[/quote]
Using that reasoning you don't have time for the scanning at all so you still don't need her. Besides I'm not saying fly the Normandy back to the Citadel every pick-up. You gather the stuff up and at the next available opportunity have it sent back, or drop it off the next time you're at the Citadel. Unless I'm missing out on something huge none of the scanning stuff you get is important to your current mission; it can wait.
[quote]PetrySilva wrote...
[quote]And you couldn't just say, "Hey Anderson this person's important, keep them safe." C-Sec isn't capable of protecting her (ok they're probably not but still)?[/quote]
Since the beggining the Counil said it's possible Saren had agents in the Citadel. If that's true, what are the chances of some them being in C-sec or having C-sec friends?
Anyway, as a stealth ship, and considering Saren's power, influence and connections, the Normandy was the safest place for her.[/quote]
Yes the Normandy would be safest but is it the only safe place? Is there not somewhere with more disposable resources (like a submarine food, water, etc are really valuable and hard to come by in a pinch) she would be safe?
[quote]PetrySilva wrote...
[quote]I don't doubt her ability just her fortitude. Being a nerd might not mean she has no skills but it does suggest she'll hold up under pressure as well as a pop can.[/quote]We don't know exactly how was her trainning in biotics, but I would suggest that that part of her life gave her some skills in "being sane" under battle's pressure.[/quote]
Why would it? She was the daughter of a powerful matriarch and a scientist, exactly what about that upbrining screams a need for combat training beyond basic self-defense?
[quote]atheelogos wrote...
"I don't doubt her ability just her fortitude. Being a nerd might not mean she has no skills but it does suggest she'll hold up under pressure as well as a pop can."
Hmmmm well after playing ME1 and 2 its clear she doesn't have this problem so yeah.....[/quote]
Yes hindsight is 20/20 but we don't have that to draw on when Shepard makes the decision to keep her on board. All my Sheps know is that when faced with danger she ran (so she's not stupid), managed to get herself stuck in a bubble, and thought I was a hallucination. None of that suggests she'd be solid under fire, in fact we get a strong indication she wouldn't considering when you face the Krogan she just cowers on the floor.
It's a mission to find a Prothean artifact. She's a mission specialist.[/quote]
We're on a mission to track and kill a dangerous fugitive; our best bet is simply to find the artifact, but we don't really need Liara with us to do that (we could stop in for melding to get the Ilos revelation all other clues do not come from Liara).
[quote]Nyoka wrote...
When she's not fighting, you can make up a number of excuses. She's trying to figure out where's the Mu relay, she's analyzing your visions, she's doing this and that. I don't know what's Kaidan doing either, I just assume he's doing something tech-related.[/quote]
Yes but none of the things she could do on the Normandy, need to be done on the Normandy. It's not like Tali where you can only take advantage of her expertise by having her in Engineering, Liara doesn't need the Normandy to work those things out, in fact she'd probably do better in a proper facility.
[quote]Nyoka wrote...
With these two reasons in mind, having them on board is a better option than the alternative. And, as you can see in the game, she certainly can hold up the pressure in a gunfight.[/quote]
When the decision is made the only thing I've seen her do combat wise is cower on the floor when the Krogan attacks (also not a good runner). Not exactly a great impression.
[quote]Fiddles_stix wrote...
She's an LI, she has to hang around. Besides look at each mission as a moment of personal growth for her, that way she matures into the Liara the Shadow Broker. I wouldn't call her a leech, that's for sure.[/quote]
Does she contribute to the day-to-day runnings of the ship? No? She's a leech, a valuable leech perhaps but a leech. And I don't know about being an LI, she and Shepard could do the long distance thing.
[quote]Hunter-Wolf wrote...
Her Powerful Biotics (as most Asari are naturals) are a very useful asset in combat.
Her melding ability helps Shepard understand his/her vision.
Her relation to Benezia meant she is vital to the mission (needs protection/could be used to influnce Benezia).
Her knowladge about Protheans and ancient races could come in handy with decyphering recovered artifacts.
Her being the love interest (in some cases) means Shepard will want to keep her close.[/quote]
In bold the things she doesn't need to be on the ship to do, in italics the stuff we can't know when the decision is made or could be completely irrellevant (by the time I get to Therum Benezia's dead for example).
[quote]Hunter-Wolf wrote...
Hello .. many of the other crew memebers had any zero war experiance and never handled anything more than mercs themselves .. Garrus was C-Sec officer (they mostly deal with mercs) .. Wrex was a merc himself (again mostly deal with other mercs) ... Tali is a vagrant engineer (on pilgrimage so as not to ****** off Tali fans XD) with very little combat experiance ... Liara is no different from them.[/quote]
Garrus, like every Turian, served in the Turian Military (in the codex it mentions all Turians serve at least a little if memory serves), Wrex has centuries of combat experience, and Tali possesses skills that can only be used on the Normandy that don't involve combat. Liara has nothing. We see her react to danger by hiding and when I get to her she believes she's hallucinating. So no displayed combat ability plus displayed mental instability equals somebody I don't want to bring into a fight (and I don't).
[quote]Hunter-Wolf wrote...
Yeah .. becasue Saren will wait ..come on .. it is way better to be able to do stuff on the fly and have as many facilities and specialized crew on board the Normandy to handle anything that comes at them .. specially when you are chasing a lunatic across the galaxy .. there is no time to ship stuff back and forth.[/quote]
Using that reasoning you don't have time for the scanning at all so you still don't need her. Besides I'm not saying fly the Normandy back to the Citadel every pick-up. You gather the stuff up and at the next available opportunity have it sent back, or drop it off the next time you're at the Citadel. Unless I'm missing out on something huge none of the scanning stuff you get is important to your current mission; it can wait.
[quote]PetrySilva wrote...
[quote]And you couldn't just say, "Hey Anderson this person's important, keep them safe." C-Sec isn't capable of protecting her (ok they're probably not but still)?[/quote]
Since the beggining the Counil said it's possible Saren had agents in the Citadel. If that's true, what are the chances of some them being in C-sec or having C-sec friends?
Anyway, as a stealth ship, and considering Saren's power, influence and connections, the Normandy was the safest place for her.[/quote]
Yes the Normandy would be safest but is it the only safe place? Is there not somewhere with more disposable resources (like a submarine food, water, etc are really valuable and hard to come by in a pinch) she would be safe?
[quote]PetrySilva wrote...
[quote]I don't doubt her ability just her fortitude. Being a nerd might not mean she has no skills but it does suggest she'll hold up under pressure as well as a pop can.[/quote]We don't know exactly how was her trainning in biotics, but I would suggest that that part of her life gave her some skills in "being sane" under battle's pressure.[/quote]
Why would it? She was the daughter of a powerful matriarch and a scientist, exactly what about that upbrining screams a need for combat training beyond basic self-defense?
[quote]atheelogos wrote...
"I don't doubt her ability just her fortitude. Being a nerd might not mean she has no skills but it does suggest she'll hold up under pressure as well as a pop can."
Hmmmm well after playing ME1 and 2 its clear she doesn't have this problem so yeah.....[/quote]
Yes hindsight is 20/20 but we don't have that to draw on when Shepard makes the decision to keep her on board. All my Sheps know is that when faced with danger she ran (so she's not stupid), managed to get herself stuck in a bubble, and thought I was a hallucination. None of that suggests she'd be solid under fire, in fact we get a strong indication she wouldn't considering when you face the Krogan she just cowers on the floor.
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Right... are we talking about the same Liara who effortlessly lifts the Krogan with her mind and shoots him to death?DPSSOC wrote...
When the decision is made the only thing I've seen her do combat wise is cower on the floor when the Krogan attacks (also not a good runner). Not exactly a great impression.
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Nyoka wrote...
Right... are we talking about the same Liara who effortlessly lifts the Krogan with her mind and shoots him to death?
Clearly not. Every time I play that part the cutscene ends, Liara drops to one knee in the middle of the room, and the task of killing Geth and Krogan falls on me and my squad.
In fact I can't think of any point, in game, where Liara hasn't died in the first 10-15 seconds of combat, but that might be because I direct my squadmates onto open ground to draw fire while I slip around to pick off their attackers. Not an ideal stratagem I know but it works.
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Who cares except the obvious troll who post that ? If you think Liara doesn't belong on the Normandy then i am sorry for you... Or not.
Oh also for the guy who can't made Liara survive 10 seconds of fight... Well guess what ? Stop playing like a retarded commander and maybe you will be able to do something with her. Anyone with common sense know Liara is the best biotics out there
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Oh also for the guy who can't made Liara survive 10 seconds of fight... Well guess what ? Stop playing like a retarded commander and maybe you will be able to do something with her. Anyone with common sense know Liara is the best biotics out there
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Nyoka wrote...
Right... are we talking about the same Liara who effortlessly lifts the Krogan with her mind and shoots him to death?DPSSOC wrote...
When the decision is made the only thing I've seen her do combat wise is cower on the floor when the Krogan attacks (also not a good runner). Not exactly a great impression.
Actually I think we're talking about the Liara who effortlessly lifts a Geth Armature with her mind.
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emmanuelsieyes wrote...
Nyoka wrote...
Right... are we talking about the same Liara who effortlessly lifts the Krogan with her mind and shoots him to death?DPSSOC wrote...
When the decision is made the only thing I've seen her do combat wise is cower on the floor when the Krogan attacks (also not a good runner). Not exactly a great impression.
Actually I think we're talking about the Liara who effortlessly lifts a Geth Armature with her mind.
No, we are in fact talking about the Liara who effortlessly lifts a Geth Collossus with her mind.
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Posté 28 mars 2011 - 03:09
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I know I shouldn't bother but what the hell I'm bored.
Care to explain why she does? Provide just one practical purpose for having her on the Normandy that she can only fill on-board. She's not like Tali or Garrus who contribute to the day-to-day operations of the ship, or even like Wrex who at least could if the mood struck him. She has no applicable skills. However she is useful as a Prothean expert which certainly makes her valuable, but working in that capacity doesn't require her to be on the Normandy and she'd probably be more helpful working out of a proper lab. You only need to interact directly with Liara twice at most to get the intel you need. It might be more convenient to have her on-board but that doesn't seem to justify the extra drain on resources.
Now it was brought up that she needs protection but there are plenty of other places you could send her where she'd be safe. You could put her on the Citadel guarded by Alliance soldiers (who presumably would be beyond Saren's ability to influence) and placed under the watchful eye of Anderson himself. You could send her to Arcturus or Earth itself, there are numerous locations that would seem to be well beyond the Turian's reach.
Technically Shepard is the best biotics out there. Even so you say that like biotics are crucial to have in a fight. Soldier, Ash, and Garrus; two Immunities, Sabotage, Overload, and Dampening and I clear a room of hostiles before Liara can get her Barrier up. I have no doubt Liara's a useful biotic but I don't find biotics all that useful (personal preference).
Yes and Kaidan can do that too what's your point? Heck Ash, Wrex, or Soldier Shep can stand in front of the thing and effortlessly wear it down with a pistol. I'm not denying what she's capable of I'm pointing out that at the time Shep makes the decision to keep her on board and send her into combat she's demonstrated no combat skills and mental instability (in my case).
Again I'm not hating on the character, I recognize she's crucial to the success of the mission, but her contributions do not require her to remain on board consuming valuable resources (like food, water, and oxygen).
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Who cares except the obvious troll who post that ? If you think Liara doesn't belong on the Normandy then i am sorry for you... Or not.
Care to explain why she does? Provide just one practical purpose for having her on the Normandy that she can only fill on-board. She's not like Tali or Garrus who contribute to the day-to-day operations of the ship, or even like Wrex who at least could if the mood struck him. She has no applicable skills. However she is useful as a Prothean expert which certainly makes her valuable, but working in that capacity doesn't require her to be on the Normandy and she'd probably be more helpful working out of a proper lab. You only need to interact directly with Liara twice at most to get the intel you need. It might be more convenient to have her on-board but that doesn't seem to justify the extra drain on resources.
Now it was brought up that she needs protection but there are plenty of other places you could send her where she'd be safe. You could put her on the Citadel guarded by Alliance soldiers (who presumably would be beyond Saren's ability to influence) and placed under the watchful eye of Anderson himself. You could send her to Arcturus or Earth itself, there are numerous locations that would seem to be well beyond the Turian's reach.
Imperium Alpha wrote...
Oh also for the guy who can't made Liara survive 10 seconds of fight... Well guess what ? Stop playing like a retarded commander and maybe you will be able to do something with her. Anyone with common sense know Liara is the best biotics out there.
Technically Shepard is the best biotics out there. Even so you say that like biotics are crucial to have in a fight. Soldier, Ash, and Garrus; two Immunities, Sabotage, Overload, and Dampening and I clear a room of hostiles before Liara can get her Barrier up. I have no doubt Liara's a useful biotic but I don't find biotics all that useful (personal preference).
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No, we are in fact talking about the Liara who effortlessly lifts a Geth Collossus with her mind.emmanuelsieyes wrote...
Actually I think we're talking about the Liara who effortlessly lifts a Geth Armature with her mind.
Yes and Kaidan can do that too what's your point? Heck Ash, Wrex, or Soldier Shep can stand in front of the thing and effortlessly wear it down with a pistol. I'm not denying what she's capable of I'm pointing out that at the time Shep makes the decision to keep her on board and send her into combat she's demonstrated no combat skills and mental instability (in my case).
Again I'm not hating on the character, I recognize she's crucial to the success of the mission, but her contributions do not require her to remain on board consuming valuable resources (like food, water, and oxygen).
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Posté 28 mars 2011 - 03:30
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Supposing you're right about her being dead weight. Supposing that's true, isn't it better that she's with you and NOT with Saren helping him find the conduit and the safest place is on the Normandy that way she's under constant supervision and when possible can flay you alive with her mind.
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Posté 28 mars 2011 - 03:33
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If you listen to her conversation, she does explain that she has been in some fights before. She mentions that she has never been in a situation that her biotics couldn't get her out of. That implies that she is a powerful biotic. Also having her on the ship means Saren can't just grab her, he has operatives on the Citadel.
So the Normandy is the safest place.
As for the whole nerd thing,
I knew a nerdy little guy, computer programmer, really good at his job, also one of the best pistol shots I ever knew. So don't judge too much by the cover.
So the Normandy is the safest place.
As for the whole nerd thing,
I knew a nerdy little guy, computer programmer, really good at his job, also one of the best pistol shots I ever knew. So don't judge too much by the cover.
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Posté 28 mars 2011 - 03:41
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You seem to think that Mass Effect is set in 1640, where the range of a sailing vessel was limited by how many crates of stale bread you could cram in there.
All they need to do in mass-effect 'verse is pressurize the hell out of some water, and slap some eezo on there to cut the mass down.
All they need to do in mass-effect 'verse is pressurize the hell out of some water, and slap some eezo on there to cut the mass down.
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Posté 28 mars 2011 - 03:52
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Ah, you meant that cutscene. I was talking about how Liara works in the game. Her singularity makes me feel bad about groups of mooks. Seeing them floating around, helpless.DPSSOC wrote...
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Right... are we talking about the same Liara who effortlessly lifts the Krogan with her mind and shoots him to death?
Clearly not. Every time I play that part the cutscene ends, Liara drops to one knee in the middle of the room, and the task of killing Geth and Krogan falls on me and my squad.
In fact I can't think of any point, in game, where Liara hasn't died in the first 10-15 seconds of combat, but that might be because I direct my squadmates onto open ground to draw fire while I slip around to pick off their attackers. Not an ideal stratagem I know but it works.
About the others points in game, if your tactic is offering her as cannon fodder, instead of telling her to singularity or lift bad guys for you, yeah I think that might increase the likelihood of her dying. Are you going to blame her for dying after telling her to expose herself to enemy fire while you stay safe and warm in cover, killing people while they are focused in her? Really?
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Posté 28 mars 2011 - 10:59
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In her elevator talk, she'll sometimes be asked about all Asari being biotic usually while her biotics are complemented (something like "Your biotic abilities are impressive. Is it true that all Asari are biotics?"), to which she'll respond something like "Yes, all Asari have biotic ability, but not all of them have the discipline and training to become so powerful." Or something like that.
Implying what we can plainly see when we use her in game: She is a powerful biotic, more powerful than any old Asari.
Having her on board and at hand is clearly more useful than having to send for her whenever you need her, despite her panicking and ducking out of that first battle (doesn't she apologize for that at some point in one of the games? I seem to recall hearing her say something about it but don't remember exactly when)
Implying what we can plainly see when we use her in game: She is a powerful biotic, more powerful than any old Asari.
Having her on board and at hand is clearly more useful than having to send for her whenever you need her, despite her panicking and ducking out of that first battle (doesn't she apologize for that at some point in one of the games? I seem to recall hearing her say something about it but don't remember exactly when)
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Posté 28 mars 2011 - 08:54
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In her elevator talk, she'll sometimes be asked about all Asari being biotic usually while her biotics are complemented (something like "Your biotic abilities are impressive. Is it true that all Asari are biotics?"), to which she'll respond something like "Yes, all Asari have biotic ability, but not all of them have the discipline and training to become so powerful." Or something like that.
Implying what we can plainly see when we use her in game: She is a powerful biotic, more powerful than any old Asari.
Having her on board and at hand is clearly more useful than having to send for her whenever you need her, despite her panicking and ducking out of that first battle (doesn't she apologize for that at some point in one of the games? I seem to recall hearing her say something about it but don't remember exactly when)
Lair of the Shadow Broker
She's talking about how Shepard is always helping her out--how 'she cowered in front of that battlemaster on Therum', and now Shepard is helping her out with the Shadow Broker.
Ultimately, Liara is on board because she is a potential squadmate. Some of us use her on the team. Therefore, I'm not going to drive to the goddamn Citadel every time I want to do a mission.
There's no reason why Ashley needs to be on the ship either. The weapons can be repaired with omni-gel (in fact, that's why you get omni-gel when you reclaim the weapon. The weapon itself is created on-demand out of omni-gel reserves). Therefore, there's really no need to have a dedicated person to maintain weaponry. The only squadmates who might be doing any actual work are Garrus and Tali. Lord knows that the Mako needs repairing, and Engineer Adams is grateful for Tali's help.
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Posté 28 mars 2011 - 11:21
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If you listen to her conversation, she does explain that she has been in some fights before. She mentions that she has never been in a situation that her biotics couldn't get her out of.
Except the one you had to haul her blue *** out of. Which if memory serves is the least combat we see all game (not the drive up just after going into the ruins).
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That implies that she is a powerful biotic.
Or she's never come across any serious trouble (I know that's not the case).
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Also having her on the ship means Saren can't just grab her, he has operatives on the Citadel.
So drop her on Arcturus.
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So the Normandy is the safest place.
The Normandy is actively trying to track Saren down, exactly how is it "safe".
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As for the whole nerd thing,
I knew a nerdy little guy, computer programmer, really good at his job, also one of the best pistol shots I ever knew. So don't judge too much by the cover.
I have a cousin who's much the same Heck I'm much the same; I'm very good at handling knives, but throw me in a knife fight and I'll ****** myself. The person you knew may be a good shot but that doesn't mean he'd do well in a firefight.
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You seem to think that Mass Effect is set in 1640, where the range of a sailing vessel was limited by how many crates of stale bread you could cram in there.
All they need to do in mass-effect 'verse is pressurize the hell out of some water, and slap some eezo on there to cut the mass down.
The limiting factor of storage has never been mass it's volume. The Normandy only has so much space and no matter how much you cut the mass you can only fit so many resources within that space. Food, water, and oxygen are finite and very valuable. A spaceship is essentially a submarine (completely sealed, exceptionally uninviting environment outside) you can't afford to have people draining your valuable, finite resources and contributing nothing.
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About the others points in game, if your tactic is offering her as cannon fodder, instead of telling her to singularity or lift bad guys for you, yeah I think that might increase the likelihood of her dying. Are you going to blame her for dying after telling her to expose herself to enemy fire while you stay safe and warm in cover, killing people while they are focused in her? Really?
No I don't blame her for that, that's why I stated my tactics, if I thought my tactics were highly survivable I would have simply pointed out she dies quickly. Garrus, Ash, and Wrex also die under my guidance but they last a lot longer.
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There's no reason why Ashley needs to be on the ship either. The weapons can be repaired with omni-gel
That's repair Ash does maintenance (slight difference). Taking your car in to get a new transmission because yours died or getting body work done is a repair; something has broken and needs to be fixed. Taking your car in for an oil change or tire rotation is maintenance; everything is in working order and you're simply keeping it that way. Repairs may be doable with omni-gel but taking the weapons apart, making sure all the components are clean and working properly requires hands.
However even if she isn't contributing anything overly important Ash is contributing. She's performing a task to justify her consumption of resources. Liara does not contribute (as far as day-to-day operations are concerned), unless she's working with Chakwas in the medbay.
Is she working with Chakwas in the medbay? She could be working with Chakwas in the medbay. Alright valid contribution found and my need for everyone and everything to have a practical purpose has been satisfied. Liara spends her days assisting Chakwas in the medbay. Well this has been fun.
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Posté 28 mars 2011 - 11:31
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I'm going to go with: because Bioware wanted her to be. That seems like a really solid reason for me. She's kind of a central character, and is one of the few that cannot die at any point during either of the first two games.
I'm surprised that anyone actually bothered to argue with you, after your first text wall response. You clearly are only doing this for the enjoyment of the argument, and nothing anyone says going to alter your position. It's obvious that everyone else is wrong, and you are clearly right.
I'm surprised that anyone actually bothered to argue with you, after your first text wall response. You clearly are only doing this for the enjoyment of the argument, and nothing anyone says going to alter your position. It's obvious that everyone else is wrong, and you are clearly right.
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