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[DPSSOC]

Gabey5 wrote...

the whole game centeres around prothean artifacts.. she is a prothean specialist

elektrego wrote...
though it may be practical for the gamer to fly from system to system via mass relay with one mouse click, if you are looking at it in-game, this flying around would actually take up a lot of time and resources. so bringing along the one expert on the main interest of the game - the protheans - is really enough in-game-explanation...

Again, yes her knowledge of the Protheans is valuable but she doesn't have to be on the ship to make use of it.

Shepard finds Prothean widget
Shepard: Joker contact Liara on the Citadel and link into my hardsuit's on-board camera
Joker: Aye, aye
Liara: Yes Shepard
Shepard: Liara, I've found this widget what do you make of it

Liara then proceeds to examine the artifact through Shepard's eyes directing him/her as necessary almost as if she were actually there without the need to support her presence on the Normandy.  As for the melding the Citadel is one of two locations available for resupply (Noveria is the other) so you'd probably be back there fairly often, just make an extra stop at Liara's.  Heck you could even still romance her (Shepard has regular discussions with Liara about her findings on the Conduit and what not, relationship develops, when you're grounded she mentions she wants to come with you to Ilos, sexy time ensues).

elektrego wrote...
also: I'll flail you alive...with my mind!!! (But this is a quote from ME2)

Is it sad that my first reaction to seeing her in ME2 was, "Oh crap she cracked.  After getting through all that BS with Saren my death broke her."  Thankfully this turned out not to be the case as she was just regular revenge crazy not dangerous straw that broke the camel's back crazy.

AshiraShepard wrote...
This is a moment of "the devs think of everything" - you're supposed to go after her first because hey! she's a prothean expert and can help figure out just WTF is going on with the vision that got crammed into Shepard's head.

Or I can ignore my personal discomfort (incomprehensible, flashy image thing) and go hunting a dangerous fugitive (kinda why the Council sent me out here in the first place).  If I manage to find and kill Saren what the vision means doesn't matter (Not arguing this as the right choice just outlining my thought process).

AshiraShepard wrote...
You took too long getting to her, and she's spent a decent ammount of time just floating there. Doing nothing but float. It probably crossed her mind after the first few days that she would die there without anyone ever finding her. So by the time you finally get over there, she's more than a little disbelieving that someone is actually there to save her.

And I didn't mean it as a "Ha ha she's weak and her mind broke." I was simply pointing out my Shepards do not get the best first impression.

AshiraShepard wrote...
How would you be after a week or so of just floating in silence in the same position, without food, water or anything else?

Well after a week without water I'd be dead.  I do see your point and again I didn't bring it up as a criticism of the character.

AshiraShepard wrote...
Bonus Points: And moments after you let her out, you get attacked by Geth and a Krogan. And she immediately lifts that krogan with her brain. That's the very first thing she did whenever I got to that bit.

 
And whenever I get to that bit (as I've pointed out) she drops to one knee and does diddly.  Maybe my versions broke but that's what happens every time.

AshiraShepard wrote...
Once More: In terms of squadmates who don't contribute to the day-to-day running of the ship? You might as well drop most of the 12 man squad in ME2 if you're going to go with that.

Believe me they bother me too.  It's kind of like Gardiner says, "You gotta pull your weight."  Liara doesn't.  Regardless of what the game allows me to do she is not a member of the ground team; it'd be ridiculously irresponsible to bring her or Tali into a warzone (they're not soldiers).  So Tali and Liara both stay on the ship; Tali makes herself useful in Engineering and Liara does what?

That's what I was looking for: Liara (as a character) is not suited to combat operations (however the mechanics work out).  So she's not like Tali who's not suited for combat but contributes to day-to-day operations, and she's not like Wrex who doesn't contribute to day-to-day but is perfect for combat, why keep her on board?  It'd be a minor inconvenience to drop her somewhere and call when you require her expertise or visit the (at most) two times you meld with her.

Now if you'll look back to the first page (near the bottom might be the last) I conclude that she could contribute by assisting Chakwas satisfying.my need for her to be doing something to contribute to the mission outside of the two instances that require her expertise.

[Xilizhra]

There's no compelling reason to not have her on board, really. It's true that many of her functions could be done off the ship, but it's vastly more convenient for us to have her stick around.

[Ashira Shepard]

Well, we needed to know Saren's location yesterday during the game. And by the time you get back to the citadel to where Liara is doing all her research in a "proper facility" Saren will have used the secret relay, unleashed the Reapers and everyone would be husks or dead as hell.

So it was a much smarter choice to have her on the ship.

[Torhagen]

DPSSOC wrote...

Nyoka wrote...
Right... are we talking about the same Liara who effortlessly lifts the Krogan with her mind and shoots him to death?

Clearly not.  Every time I play that part the cutscene ends, Liara drops to one knee in the middle of the room, and the task of killing Geth and Krogan falls on me and my squad.

In fact I can't think of any point, in game, where Liara hasn't died in the first 10-15 seconds of combat, but that might be because I direct my squadmates onto open ground to draw fire while I slip around to pick off their attackers.  Not an ideal stratagem I know but it works.

And you never thought that maybe you are doing/did something wrong ?

Time is of the Essence apart from the fact that the Normandy is the safest place for.

I cant aware the feeling that you are just bored and are trying to stirr something up here

[graciegrace]

Almostfaceman wrote...

When I pick her up I'm picking her up for two reasons:
1. She's a Prothean expert 
2. She's wanted by Saren which means she has intel I need whether she knows it or not

I don't have the option of dumping her off and picking her up later - I have no idea if where I'm dropping her off can keep her safe from Saren.  I don't know if I can get back to her location when I need Prothen information or other insight.  I want her immediately available for Prothen intel when and if necessary.  She's worth her weight in gold and in the end she proves that by helping me decipher my Prothean visions and keying on Ilos.  

I'm quoting this because it's the most logical arguement posted in this entire thread. 

[Almostfaceman]

graciegrace wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

When I pick her up I'm picking her up for two reasons:
1. She's a Prothean expert 
2. She's wanted by Saren which means she has intel I need whether she knows it or not

I don't have the option of dumping her off and picking her up later - I have no idea if where I'm dropping her off can keep her safe from Saren.  I don't know if I can get back to her location when I need Prothen information or other insight.  I want her immediately available for Prothen intel when and if necessary.  She's worth her weight in gold and in the end she proves that by helping me decipher my Prothean visions and keying on Ilos.  

I'm quoting this because it's the most logical arguement posted in this entire thread. 

Thanks!

[Warlocomotf]

You say the food and water is important, fuel is atleast equally important. I'd wager that it will cost a starship more resources to jump a couple thousand lightyears through the galaxy to talk/meld/whatever with Liara, than to house a single crew member for a life time (Even an Asari lifetime).

* 1 lightyear = 94605284000000000 meters, the universe spans roughly 13 billion lightyears in size, probably more by 2150 since the universe is expanding at an increasing speed

PS. When you find Ashley she's just let her entire team die on her, why carry her around? Just to clean the guns? That's a pretty terrible reason.

Modifié par Warlocomotf, 02 avril 2011 - 10:24 .

[mcsupersport]

1) Liara is safer on the Normandy than any other place in the Galaxy, well at least from Saren.
1a) Vid call by Shepard to Liara---"Hey Liara, I found a really important artifact pick up the line would you......" Strange Salarian comes onto the screen, "Greetings Commander Shepard, I am Officer Dian, we are currently investigating a disturbance at this address, do you know who was staying here? There a signs of a struggle and a couple of dead mercs here, but no signs of the occupant who is listed a Mrs. Doe." Shepard, "Oh, SH@T, JUST WHEN I NEED HER!!!"

2) Who says she isn't doing research on the Normandy, which by the way is hooked into the Relays and thus allows complete access to all information on the Extranet. This basically allows her to work anywhere in the Galaxy on any item Shepard finds, while allowing her to have hands on an item. She may also be helping Chakwas with alien bugs found on Prothean sites that could hurt the Normandy crew.

3) The only Soldiers on the Normandy are the redshirts, Ashley, and Kaiden. Wrex is a mercenary/bodyguard/hitman, not a trained soldier used to working in a team environment making him extremely dangerous to take along on a military op(don't believe me go find a Marine with combat experience and ask him his opinion). Garrus is a police man with some experience in the Military, Turian with a whole different attitude and training, which could cause major issues during a mission, but now he is a policeman on leave. Tali has training in Quarian spec ops teams, Liara is a trained biotic possibly even commando trained by her mother.

4) After being trapped for a long time in the restraining field there is no telling the physical condition Liara is in when she faces the Battlemaster. There is a trained squad there, whose first words as the fight started would be, "Get down and stay out of our way!!"(Go ask that Marine or Specfor operative if you don't believe me)

So there is ample reason to keep her on the ship, and other than your personal bias no reason not to use her. The great thing about single player rpg and ME in general, is it allows you to make those decisions per your personal bias and still lets you complete the game.(Even have fun doing so)

[LeDemy]

I don't even see the point of the Argument, Liara is put there to equalize eventual short commings in your Squad , she's pretty good with a gun and a sufficient Armor and damn usefull against other Biotics... Whats she doing on the ship? Great Question Most likely analysing Data etc. What does it matter anyway, she's the Mission Specialist for Prothean Technology , the insight into Asari Culture, as are Wrex and Garrus for Krogan and Turian, granted at the Beginning she is not of much use but if you chose to leave her behind you might as well say yourself good bye cause she's the only reason you're not talking about beeing the Harbinger of Humanitys Destruction as everyone who completed the lair of the shadowbroker might know.

[Paul Tibbets]

My team consists of Tali and Liara 95% of the time, with my play stile it works out well and leaves me with equal skills in each category.
+ its easier on the eyes to watch her ass in the lift's than kaidan's ;-)

[bbroshuis]

I know that this is off topic but i was getting ready to start a new playthrough for mass effect, and wanted to know if someone could reply with the order that i should do the sidequest and main missions in, so that I will be able to complete everything. Thanks

[Sinapus]

Aside from what happens when you max out her Singularity talent, you mean?

[Dragonlord2090]

I take her to the mission where she talks to her mother and there is a point where she ask shepard about talking her about her mother and one of the responds is no i don't you are part of my crew