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[phisen]

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I can't wrap my head around this: The village of Lothering succumbed to the Darkspawn horde after the demise of Ostagar, right? Why does Flemeth seem so surprised/saddened when she gets the news that Cailan is dead?

She asks Hawke and Bethany/Carver if their king won't miss them since they're aiming for Kirkwall, but in all honesty.... She saved the Warden and Alistair before meeting up with the Hawkes. In other words, shouldn't Flemeth be informed of this already? She seems a bit sad hearing of Cailan's death but it really doesn't add up.

Any thoughts?

[Teddie Sage]

She could be bluffing...

[Tonishi]

Well, she did talk about that she was a 'fragment' of herself.. So, we might have two Flemeths going on there. The stories did say that there were many Witches of the Wilds. They might have been her daughters, which bodies she stole. What if she didn't "transport" herself fully in the new body? Maybe she always left a fragment to the old body so she can escape and fool her pursuers? She did look different in DA2, though that might only be "because we changed lot of things in this game!"
Also, she was "in" that amulet so perhaps there was a fragment of herself too.

So, that Flemeth might have been a "different" Flemeth if you catch my point. Maybe she didn't know about Cailan.

Just a theory though, reminds me a bit of Harry Potter and Voldemort.

[Fidget6]

You never know with her, she's a sneaky sneaky witch..... Or it could just be a plot hole. xD

[phisen]

@Teddie Sage: I can't possibly see what she could gain by bluffing, though...

@Tonishi: Nice HP-connection there. But thinking of Voldemort, he was 'aware' anyway, you know? I think it seems really wierd that Flemeth should 'forget' info like that all of a sudden, fragmented or not.

@Fidget6: I'd bet on the latter to be honest

[PPR223]

Perhaps they just wanted to give some information to those who did not play origins? Flemeth doesn't really sound surprised, I think they put this question in just for that reason.

[Merced652]

Only explanation is sarcasm/snark, well that or the bad writing that is somewhat prevalent.

Modifié par Merced652, 27 mars 2011 - 06:01 .

[Suron]

nm, misread.

Modifié par Suron, 27 mars 2011 - 06:45 .

[sth128]

When was this? I don't recall a conversation where she mentions death of King Callen... Every time my Hawke talks to her it's all about dragons.

[StarcloudSWG]

"I'm sure he'll miss his life more."

*laughs* "Oh, you, I like!"

[aebriol]

phisen wrote...

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I can't wrap my head around this: The village of Lothering succumbed to the Darkspawn horde after the demise of Ostagar, right? Why does Flemeth seem so surprised/saddened when she gets the news that Cailan is dead?

She asks Hawke and Bethany/Carver if their king won't miss them since they're aiming for Kirkwall, but in all honesty.... She saved the Warden and Alistair before meeting up with the Hawkes. In other words, shouldn't Flemeth be informed of this already? She seems a bit sad hearing of Cailan's death but it really doesn't add up.

Any thoughts?

You caught a continuity error

[The Angry One]

I don't recall any surprise at this news at all in any of the dialog options, if it is even "news" to her (she doesn't even express concern over it).

[Sammyjb]

phisen wrote...

@Teddie Sage: I can't possibly see what she could gain by bluffing, though...

@Tonishi: Nice HP-connection there. But thinking of Voldemort, he was 'aware' anyway, you know? I think it seems really wierd that Flemeth should 'forget' info like that all of a sudden, fragmented or not.

@Fidget6: I'd bet on the latter to be honest

Tom Riddle in the Diary had no idea what happened in Godric's Hollow until Ginny told him. Once they split, they have no information sharing.

[TheEgoRaptor]

Tonishi wrote...

Well, she did talk about that she was a 'fragment' of herself.. So, we might have two Flemeths going on there. The stories did say that there were many Witches of the Wilds. They might have been her daughters, which bodies she stole. What if she didn't "transport" herself fully in the new body? Maybe she always left a fragment to the old body so she can escape and fool her pursuers? She did look different in DA2, though that might only be "because we changed lot of things in this game!"
Also, she was "in" that amulet so perhaps there was a fragment of herself too.

So, that Flemeth might have been a "different" Flemeth if you catch my point. Maybe she didn't know about Cailan.

Just a theory though, reminds me a bit of Harry Potter and Voldemort.

The reason why the legends say that there were many of her was because she continued to steal the bodies of her 'daughters' thus changing her appearance. 

[expanding panic]

Sammyjb wrote...

phisen wrote...

@Teddie Sage: I can't possibly see what she could gain by bluffing, though...

@Tonishi: Nice HP-connection there. But thinking of Voldemort, he was 'aware' anyway, you know? I think it seems really wierd that Flemeth should 'forget' info like that all of a sudden, fragmented or not.

@Fidget6: I'd bet on the latter to be honest

Tom Riddle in the Diary had no idea what happened in Godric's Hollow until Ginny told him. Once they split, they have no information sharing.

This is a good point. We don't know when she decided to split herself and put some of her into the amulet. So maybe it was before her saving the warden and but after he or she first came to pick up the warden's documents.  Flemeth did know that Hawke would make great change in the world maybe she seen something that told her that Morrigan will attempt to kill her. 

[expanding panic]

Alaric123 wrote...

Tonishi wrote...

Well, she did talk about that she was a 'fragment' of herself.. So, we might have two Flemeths going on there. The stories did say that there were many Witches of the Wilds. They might have been her daughters, which bodies she stole. What if she didn't "transport" herself fully in the new body? Maybe she always left a fragment to the old body so she can escape and fool her pursuers? She did look different in DA2, though that might only be "because we changed lot of things in this game!"
Also, she was "in" that amulet so perhaps there was a fragment of herself too.

So, that Flemeth might have been a "different" Flemeth if you catch my point. Maybe she didn't know about Cailan.

Just a theory though, reminds me a bit of Harry Potter and Voldemort.

The reason why the legends say that there were many of her was because she continued to steal the bodies of her 'daughters' thus changing her appearance. 

We are assuming this but we have no proof to confirm or deny anyone's ideas on why there are  many witch of the wilds. Maybe it's both reason.

[TheEgoRaptor]

expanding panic wrote...

Alaric123 wrote...

Tonishi wrote...

Well, she did talk about that she was a 'fragment' of herself.. So, we might have two Flemeths going on there. The stories did say that there were many Witches of the Wilds. They might have been her daughters, which bodies she stole. What if she didn't "transport" herself fully in the new body? Maybe she always left a fragment to the old body so she can escape and fool her pursuers? She did look different in DA2, though that might only be "because we changed lot of things in this game!"
Also, she was "in" that amulet so perhaps there was a fragment of herself too.

So, that Flemeth might have been a "different" Flemeth if you catch my point. Maybe she didn't know about Cailan.

Just a theory though, reminds me a bit of Harry Potter and Voldemort.

The reason why the legends say that there were many of her was because she continued to steal the bodies of her 'daughters' thus changing her appearance. 

We are assuming this but we have no proof to confirm or deny anyone's ideas on why there are  many witch of the wilds. Maybe it's both reason.

True, but to me it seems like the most logical explanation. Sure I won't complain when Bioware actually tells us what Felemth really is, a ver, very powerful abomination. But if they tell us she is an omnipotent god like Sandal then I might ask a few questions.

[Vanaer]

This is a good point. I've only used the sarcastic remark about King Cailan, but I always got the idea she knew from the start he would be betrayed by Loghain. Why else would Cailan INSIST on the Wardens lighting the flame? For some reason I think he knew via Flemeth, since Flemeth is one of the few seers that can actually predict and direct the future. Why did Flemeth knew where to pluck the HoF and Alistair from?

On the other hand, it might've been a game by Flemeth to play on the reaction of the champion. It might've also been sarcastic of her to respond that way.

[AngelicMachinery]

She laughed her ass off when I said the king wouldn't mind what I did, thanks to an uncurable case of ogre crushing.

[KnifeLife]

I Was wondering that aswell and assumed that the flemeth in dragon age 2 was a fragment on her, like the part of her you take to the dalish, i only thought that because i no dragon age 2 everyone had makeovers and were enhanced, but didnt think it looked like her much.

[Emperor Iaius I]

She's old. Senility comes with it. Leave her alone.

[KSuri]

Flemeth talks about being in two places at the same time when you talk to her after taking the amulet to the alter. She was cryptic about whether Morrigan would move against her or not. (Because not every Warden slays her).

My theory is she split herself before the rescue of the Warden. She had to know what was going on in the Wilds and Ostegar so started making plans. She can see the future (but maybe not all of it clearly) so ensured that no matter what happened to the Wilds, or with Morrigan and the Warden that she would survive. I think that when the split took place that part of her essence is no longer aware of what is going on outside of the amulet (or idol or whatever). The information sharing stops so that part of her doesn't know everything that went on between being confined to the amulet and being let out.

[Legbiter]

Flemeth took out a little Blight insurance and used Hawke as a courier. Sneaky witch.