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[FellowerOfOdin]

What about the old school RPG players who loved Origins and saw it as an appropriate modern successor to the Baldur's Gate series and were now severely disappointed by that abomination of a game, the successor to Dragon Age: Origins?

[Cody211282]

You just described the fan base to everything.

[Wintermist]

I don't think BioWare is doomed at all.

[planed scaped]

*deep Breath*


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[Merced652]

And people call the haters melodramatic? LOL

[TJPags]

Guess I'm #4. I'm not and never have been a Bioware fan. Nor am a fan of Bethesda, or ROck Star, or any other game company.

I buy games I think will be interesting. Don't really care who makes them.

[AkiKishi]

simfamSP wrote...

Not because of DA2...but because of it's fans. In one side we have an army of old gamers: Baldur's gate, and Baldur's gate II players ranting on and on about how RPGs are dying and why doesn't Bioware go to the good old days; blah blah blah... The end result, not accepting any change from Bioware, always wanting the same thing over and over. No chance for evolution. 

The only solution is to do what Blizzard did. Make something so absolutely amazing that you redefine a genre.
DA2... umm failed at this.

It's also worth remembering that outside of the mechanics, Bioware have made the same game since BG anyway. DA2 is no exception to this.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 27 mars 2011 - 06:06 .

[cinderburster]

You're funny.

Bioware is not doomed.  The people that spend their time on the forums (and I am one) are not the majority of the people buying their games.  For instance, until DA:O, I never touched the Bioware forums at all, and I've played the Baldur's Gate series, Neverwinter Nights 1&2, and both Mass Effect games as well as DA:O, Awakenings, and DA2.

They're doing fine.  Haters gonna hate and all that jazz.  Just because a group is vocal doesn't mean they're the majority--or that they're going to get what they want.

[planed scaped]

simfamSP wrote...

In a other side, we have the dogs. They will eat everything Bioware
gives them. These people are usually noted by the ones above and vice
versa.

Those people ****** me off more then even the unreasonable bashers. The Unreasonable bashers can at least be chalked up to trolling. The Biofluffers are just delusional.

[MarkItZero]

In one side we have an army of old gamers [snip]

... The end result, not accepting any change from Bioware, always wanting the same thing over and over. No chance for evolution.

This really isn't true. I think it's safe to say that "old school" RPG players have a generally pleasant view of DA:O, which was a significant evolutionary step from the Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale squad-based CRPG. DA2 isn't further evolution - it is a different animal altogether, engineered for a significantly different target audience. I do like DA2, and find it fun. But it is apples to oranges to BG (whereas DA:O was apples to carmeled apples. Yum!)

Modifié par MarkItZero, 27 mars 2011 - 06:13 .

[MajorJoeKickass]

TJPags wrote...

Guess I'm #4. I'm not and never have been a Bioware fan. Nor am a fan of Bethesda, or ROck Star, or any other game company.

I buy games I think will be interesting. Don't really care who makes them.

Yea me too, if i find a game i think look interesting, i buy it not because it has the Bioware/Bethesda/Rock Star or whatever stamp on it, and i really dont listen to what other people think of the game except maybe for some of my friends if i dont like it i just return it, but in the end it is my opinion that matters.

[steelfire_dragon]

people will go anf find any reason to gripe..

the most vocal of people tend to be the ones that screw it up for everyone.

I for instance hate coming here and reading 18 topics of how Joe BLow hates this game.

[scq]

The problem with 'fans' is that there is no way to please all of them. Bioware would definitely be doomed if their every decision hinged on what is said in these forums. Everybody wants a game to be perfectly tailored for them, and that's just not possible. All Bioware has to do is stick with producing something that is likeable on average (and I don't mean the polarized opinions on these boards) and do what they want to do, and it should turn out fine. There will be a few blunders, but in general, I'd like to think that Bioware is generally going in the right direction.

It seems to me that a lot of 'fans' who are trolling and over-harshly criticizing DA2 just want to keep DA exclusive to their own little 'intellectual' niche which is definitely not sustainable and doomed to failure financially.

[Chaos_1001]

simfamSP

The problem is not about what group these individuals fall into. We, because we all bought the game(s) ,are in a sense fanbois.

The problem is the direction certain individuals ( not groups ) took to get their point of view across. They did or did not agree with the direction of DA 2. Because they paid real life cash, they feel that their opinion of what they believed the "hype" of the game, (that never came from Bioware / EA but was actually started on 3rd party sites), eluded to what was going to be the released version.

Some members gave honest feed back and had open discussions based on that. ( myself included )

Other members openly attacked other members based on difference of opinion.

then based on (non- answers) of a high ranking member in an interview, one member ( key word there ) came up with an elusive plan to create a crapstorm within the community.Which in fact brought a serious division into the community itself. Some of us ( myself included) stood against this process. Others willfully and gleefully jumped on that bandwagon.

My theory is this about that individual who in fact began this line of thinking.. 

they may have been part of a rival company that saw a way to cause absolute anarchy within the community itself. Most people bought the bs story they presented hook line and sinker. Also that individaul has not posted any further thoughts in that post in the past 2 days. Also as this fan / member has claimed to be a follower of bioware and such, they have only DA 2 registered and their profile is shut down to the public. No they were not booted they themselves set it that way. Kinda makes you wonder there dosent it .

Modifié par Chaos_1001, 27 mars 2011 - 06:29 .

[Khayness]

You guys should really ditch this old gamers want carbon copies of BG bull****, to have some credibility.

You can make improvements without sacrificing the soul of the game; like StarCraft 2 did.

[sgriffin0810]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

What about the old school RPG players who loved Origins and saw it as an appropriate modern successor to the Baldur's Gate series and were now severely disappointed by that abomination of a game, the successor to Dragon Age: Origins?

This, basically.

[sonofalich]

evolution need not involve stripping a genre of all the factors that made it great. i'd like to understand why you view "old timers" as some sort backward, knuckle-dragging troll afraid of change?

Modifié par sonofalich, 27 mars 2011 - 06:31 .

[Cody211282]

Khayness wrote...

You guys should really ditch this old gamers want carbon copies of BG bull****, to have some credibility.

You can make improvements without sacrificing the soul of the game; like StarCraft 2 did.

The only thing SC2 changed was the graphics and how much of the story they gave you (1/3rd).

[AedenHawke]

 They are not doomed in my opinion. I enjoyed all their games, and can't wait till the next. I am loyal too (suprised?)

[Cutlass Jack]

simfamSP wrote...

So it seems Bioware is cornered in the middle. The 5th type ofcourse is the adaptable fan, who can enjoy a game but still see it's flaws, sadly these are in the minority. 

Are they in the minority or just quieter because they're busy playing the games?

[NvVanity]

Video game forums in general are just full of the worst fans have to offer. We have the "Monomaniac" fanboys defending the game to their deaths, the "Purists" demanding DA become Baldurs Gate, the "Highbrows" thinking themselves the smarter ones of everyone, my personal favorite the "Tinfoiler' the ones with all the crazy conspiracy theories for reasons why the game sucks to them. But there is one fan that all companies must deal with.

The "Unpleasables" who no matter what you do they will always complain. They will come to your forum and they will make topics and never, ever, shut up. They are on Bungie.net for whining about Halo. They are on Infinityward and Treyarch to whine about CoD. They are on Bethesda to whine about Oblivion and Morrowind, along with a lot of highbrows. They are on Lionhead to whine about Fable. They are on Nintendo to complain about Mario. They are here. The best response is to just ignore them.

[flexxdk]

Problem?

No seriously, I do fit in with No. 4.

I play games I find interesting. If I like it, I buy it. Simple as it can get. How does that make me disloyal? Explain that to me.

In fact, does the "loyal" gamer even exist? When I hear "loyal gamer", I think about a person who only buys and plays the game made by the corresponding developer.
Could be me, though...

Modifié par Whacka, 27 mars 2011 - 06:41 .

[randName]

The OP managed a post that got it pretty much wrong about everything; or as pointed out before this is the norm for almost any product with passionate fans; until they start killing other people, as sometimes happens in sports like football, you need not to worry unless BW manages to whittle away the fans they got.