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[sth128]

Where's Deekins when you need him?

[AkiKishi]

What you have to ask yourself SlimfanSP is this: If the game got over 1 million downloads, why were there only around 400,000 pre-orders.

[Dragoonlordz]

Change can be just as big a downfall to a developer as sticking to what worked in the past. Not all change is evolution and not all change is positive. There is an element of by taking the route of trying to appeal to new members you force out the old and while not everyone will be forced out, just look at the state of these forums as a small sample size.

Most of the people on here have bought and invested in Bioware's titles for a long time and some have only bought one title but they all invested money into Bioware and would like to see the next title appeal to them so they can invest more. Neither the ones who like the game or the ones who didn't like it are wrong so if DA3 goes back more in line with DAO model or whether sticks to DA2 model one side will be happy other side not.

Only question remaining is does the amount of new fans outweigh the ones who leave and that we don't know yet for at least a few months, first week sales is irrelevant because most of it will come from pre-orders and relying on the success of DAO. The people who complain about the game are also the ones who in part bumped up that first week sales hoping for a great sequel to DAO but are disappointed in what reality they got after investing and hoping for the best.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 27 mars 2011 - 06:44 .

[NvVanity]

mrsph wrote...

Is there such a thing as a happy fanbase?

"No." -The Arishok.

[Wintermist]

Of course there's a happy fanbase. The word itself explains it. If you're fan you're happy. Else you're just a player.

[Dragoonlordz]

Yesterdays fans become tomorrows critics, and vice versa.

[Khayness]

Cody211282 wrote...

The only thing SC2 changed was the graphics and how much of the story they gave you (1/3rd).

Stil, it's not a carbon copy.

Fully voice acted and 3D remake BG saga would be awesome, but that would be too expensive to develop.

[NvVanity]

Khayness wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

The only thing SC2 changed was the graphics and how much of the story they gave you (1/3rd).

Stil, it's not a carbon copy.

Fully voice acted and 3D remake BG saga would be awesome, but that would be too expensive to develop.

I think someone was working on a BG remake using the DA:O toolset. Not sure how thats coming along.

[Merced652]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

simfamSP

The problem is not about what group these individuals fall into. We, because we all bought the game(s) ,are in a sense fanbois.

The problem is the direction certain individuals ( not groups ) took to get their point of view across. They did or did not agree with the direction of DA 2. Because they paid real life cash, they feel that their opinion of what they believed the "hype" of the game, (that never came from Bioware / EA but was actually started on 3rd party sites), eluded to what was going to be the released version.

Some members gave honest feed back and had open discussions based on that. ( myself included )

Other members openly attacked other members based on difference of opinion.

then based on (non- answers) of a high ranking member in an interview, one member ( key word there ) came up with an elusive plan to create a crapstorm within the community.Which in fact brought a serious division into the community itself. Some of us ( myself included) stood against this process. Others willfully and gleefully jumped on that bandwagon.

My theory is this about that individual who in fact began this line of thinking.. 

they may have been part of a rival company that saw a way to cause absolute anarchy within the community itself. Most people bought the bs story they presented hook line and sinker. Also that individaul has not posted any further thoughts in that post in the past 2 days. Also as this fan / member has claimed to be a follower of bioware and such, they have only DA 2 registered and their profile is shut down to the public. No they were not booted they themselves set it that way. Kinda makes you wonder there dosent it .

OP you need to add the Tin-foil hatters in to your post.

[Khayness]

NvVanity wrote...

I think someone was working on a BG remake using the DA:O toolset. Not sure how thats coming along.

Still, the DA:O rule system isn't as detailed as say, the D&D 3.5 NWN 2 was running on.

[NvVanity]

Khayness wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

I think someone was working on a BG remake using the DA:O toolset. Not sure how thats coming along.

Still, the DA:O rule system isn't as detailed as say, the D&D 3.5 NWN 2 was running on.

Eh a remake's a remake. You should check out Morroblivion. They finally got it working.

[Shadow Raziel]

simfamSP wrote...
In my opinion this is the vast majority of the Bioware fans. And it's saddening. How can Bioware possibly appeal to everyone?

They cannot appeal to everyone so there is no point in trying to do so. all the developers can do is forge ahead with some conviction about their art. You made mention of the COD fans. I own two of the COD games, and they are essentially the same. with maybe one or two added features. IMHO Activision understands they are sitting on gold mine, so they never "take chances" in their development. 8 hours game play.  With a multiplayer. add dlc maps for future considerations and it's wrapped up tight in a bow. and people flock to buy it. *shrugs*

I have played Bioware games for sometime. It's no badge of honor and it does not make my opinion any more credible than anyone elses here. It's just my Subjective opinion, in a forum full of subjective opinions. XD

But honestly I I fail to see what all this doom and gloom stuff is about anyway.   I mean many elitist snub their nose at the redundancy of games like COD, and then whine at the first changes in the games they cherish. Hell I remember people complaining back when Zelda went 3d, or when castlevania went 3d.   games morph and progress, like everything else.  Bioware have very talented and creative game designers I believe they have direction about what their doing. and in some ways they are trying to expand the way rpg games are played. Hell for years it has been mostly the turntable style. I just see what is going on as an evolutionary step. maybe they didn't get it exactly right this time. But I personally believe they will be more on the mark next time.  They have a history of putting out quality RPG's. But you are correct they cannot please everyone. I just hope the fans and The money people will allow them to be creative. otherwise they might as well work for Activision.

[sonsonthebia07]

*insert chickenlittleskyisfalling.jpg*

[Cody211282]

NvVanity wrote...

Khayness wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

I think someone was working on a BG remake using the DA:O toolset. Not sure how thats coming along.

Still, the DA:O rule system isn't as detailed as say, the D&D 3.5 NWN 2 was running on.

Eh a remake's a remake. You should check out Morroblivion. They finally got it working.

WHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT!

Umm sorry but I think I need to go get Oblivion reinstalled now.

[NvVanity]

Cody211282 wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

Khayness wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

I think someone was working on a BG remake using the DA:O toolset. Not sure how thats coming along.

Still, the DA:O rule system isn't as detailed as say, the D&D 3.5 NWN 2 was running on.

Eh a remake's a remake. You should check out Morroblivion. They finally got it working.

WHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT!

Umm sorry but I think I need to go get Oblivion reinstalled now.

Yep. After 4 years Morroblivion is 100% functional. Joy to the world!

[expanding panic]

I think you fall into the troll area.

[Persephone]

NvVanity wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

Khayness wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

I think someone was working on a BG remake using the DA:O toolset. Not sure how thats coming along.

Still, the DA:O rule system isn't as detailed as say, the D&D 3.5 NWN 2 was running on.

Eh a remake's a remake. You should check out Morroblivion. They finally got it working.

WHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT!

Umm sorry but I think I need to go get Oblivion reinstalled now.

Yep. After 4 years Morroblivion is 100% functional. Joy to the world!

Now that's what I call good news. I need to try this out ASAP!

[Pyrate_d]

What about the MANY people who loved DAO and are disappointed with DA2? They're a lot more common than the people who demand Baldur's Gate 3.

Hell, I didn't even play the Baldur's Gate games and I can't stand DA2.

[Dermain]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

So it seems Bioware is cornered in the middle. The 5th type ofcourse is the adaptable fan, who can enjoy a game but still see it's flaws, sadly these are in the minority. 

Are they in the minority or just quieter because they're busy playing the games?

Well damn...I've been figured out...well time to play the game some more...

[NvVanity]

Myrkale wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

So it seems Bioware is cornered in the middle. The 5th type ofcourse is the adaptable fan, who can enjoy a game but still see it's flaws, sadly these are in the minority. 

Are they in the minority or just quieter because they're busy playing the games?

Well damn...I've been figured out...well time to play the game some more...

I've logged over 60 hours across two playthroughs so far on DA2. I think everyone else is still playing as well.

[Lord Gremlin]

I honestly don''t see a problem here. You can never appease everyone. However, if you create a good game and have a big publisher backing you up (EA) it will find it's player.
You could call me a dog, but in fact I'm just addicted to Gaider's writing. A game, that contains said writing is not as important.

[thomas0611]

simfamSP
wrote...

Not because of DA2...but because of it's fans. In one
side we have an army of old gamers: Baldur's gate, and Baldur's gate
II players ranting on and on about how RPGs are dying and why doesn't
Bioware go to the good old days; blah blah blah... The end result,
not accepting any change from Bioware, always wanting the same thing
over and over. No chance for evolution. 

On the other
side we have the unreasonable haters and trolls. They attack any
Bioware game to date. From how BGI wasn't like BGII, or how BGII
wasn't like BGI, never finding that end. In my opinion, the only
people I wish to see murdered in the forums. They always claim to
have played 'every Bioware game to date' but we all know it's all
BS.

In a other side, we have the dogs. They will eat
everything Bioware gives them. These people are usually noted by the
ones above and vice versa.

Last we have the "oh that was
cool...let's play CoD/Halo now!" fans. No loyalty what so ever.
A financial end to Bioware. Why they want to appeal to this audience
is out of my comprehension, but. what can we do?

In my opinion
this is the vast majority of the Bioware fans. And it's saddening.
How can Bioware possibly appeal to everyone? 

I
have to say, you paint a very depressing picture of the (Bioware)
gaming community, and imho I do not think it is all that fair.

These
forums are, by their defined function, often very one sided and
predominantly negative. Wait, don't kill me yet please. What I mean
to say is that one has less motivation to post an array of
compliments on any studio's forum, after having compimented said
studio by forking out xx bucks for the game. So rather than
taking the predominantly negative overtone as an average of gamers,
we ought not to forget that these fora are places where our
grievances can be heard. Ok granted, as a particular nostalgic person
myself, I have dabbled in the lesser arts of posting over-emphatic
rants on game/community fora. However, this is to be expected of
almost any individual who's given a voice and the power that is
anonymity. My suggestion, take it with a pitch of salt.

Following
that logic, one looses the first two categories as the OP has
presented. The first category due to the fact that, even though a
game might be enjoyable, few people can claim to have encountered the
'perfect' game, to criticize constructively is the least you can do
in order to help out the developer's. 

Then, category two
vanishes under the fact that... Well... ducks quack, trees grow and
flamers flame. It really shouldn't be complicated, giving these
individuals such high expectations or openly fearing their power is
what got the idea in their heads in the first place.

The dogs,
or fan-boys (as I'm suspecting you're referring to?) are a rather
interesting group of people. What ever I would say about them has
been done a thousand times more, and better, by Jamie Madigan,
author of "the psychology of
gaming" http://www.psycholog...es.com/2009/12/.
A truly fascinating blog for those looking for a consistent academic
approach to gaming culture and behavior, check it out.

However,
I could not agree more with you on the last category. I can imagine
that it is a touch challenge to resist targeting this group or
"organic cash-crop" as I like to refer to them. It is hard
to imagine that these million-, sometimes even billion-dollar
companies have a hard time breaking even or making profit. But with
piracy, and especially rentals, it can get touch. But if Bioware can
be likened to an Academy Award winning feature (and for the sake of
the upcoming metaphor, lets say that it can),  then CoD-like
games are like porn; sure we all like it at times, but all signs of
satisfaction end up in the bin. sadly enough, porn rakes in a HELL of
a lot more money than any AA film ever will. 

So,
Bioware... Do you want to make big bucks and live pretty and die a
lonely, unloved death and be forgotten before breakfast? Or would you
like to leave plaque in your wake that reads: "Here, we stood
tall, surrounded by mediocrity." It really comes down to
that... whether or not Bioware is doomed or not that is.

Edit*****

Why do all my post come out looking like I'm composing poetry? weird... anyone else had this problem? I'm using OO. Looks like I'm trying to be original, the way a 12 year old girl does with her first history paper..... *facepalm*

Modifié par thomas0611, 27 mars 2011 - 08:53 .

[Legbiter]

But some of those oldsters, their Cheetos-stained jowls quivering IN RAGE at DA II are a delight to behold in their martyred nerd rage splendor.

[Nattfare]

sth128 wrote...

Where's Deekins when you need him?

"You wants Deekin?"



"Dooooomdooomdooooooooooom!"