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[Trophonius]

I always thought King Alistair felt more 'right' than other alternatives. Anora was self-absorbed and power hungry. Who's to say she won't abuse her authority if she needed to? At least with Alistair, you get the sense that he genuinely cares for the well-being of Ferelden and its people. Granting the Denerim Alienage elves a form of independence attests to this. He strikes me as a fair minded and empathetic ruler who spends his days getting up close and personal with the impoverished, destitute population as well as having the ability to see both sides of the coin. Now, with escalating tensions between Ferelden and Orlais, he can at least consolidate his position by demonstrating his capabilities to lead his country well.

[Vhalkyrie]

Randy1083 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Sparing Loghain will always lead to drunk Alistair or execution. Alistair will not stay with the Warden if Loghain is spared, whether hardened or not.

That's not true. I hardened Alistair and spared Loghain, and still convinced Alistair to take the throne and marry Anora. He left my party, yes, but he stayed in Ferelden and still became king.

Ahhh ok.  That's it.  You have to convince him to marry Anora.

[BoneNinja]

I liked Stroud. I think he is a good imbodiement of the Grey Wardens. It is a death sentence. They walk away from everything in their life to become a Grey Warden. That's why they usually only take older individuals. Those already proven and done with family and life. They basically become ghosts. They can't just recruit out of pity. They'd get too many people that didn't deserve to be there. Yes, he comes off as being somewhat of an ass, he's supposed to. They can't and don't involve themselves in cities or politics. The last time they did they got thrown out of Fereldan all together. This is clearly scene in the City Elf Origin story when Duncan won't come after you and help you, even though clearly the noble is in the wrong and there are several of you about to die. He comes off as not caring, because he's not allowed to. I saw Stroud as no different really. He/They are misunderstood by those that aren't Grey Wardens. As they should be.

[Rivie]

Plus, you know, there is no guarantee the joining would work. He didn't know your sib, and had no way of evaluating if the risk would be worth it or not like Duncan did with your warden.

[Patriciachr34]

Well Stroud is an ass. Just from the interaction between him and Anders I get the feeling that Stroud had something to do with either having Anders give up Ser-Pounce-A-Lot and/or bringing the templar into the wardens. He does say upon taking Bethany/Carver, "We're even now."

As for Alistair, I've always felt that leaving him a warden was the best choice. As king, he will be as trapped by duty as much as he was as a templar novice. As a warden, he can make his own way, become his own man. He has a an honorable profession, albeit quite grim, and he has choices. It seems to "fit" better as was stated previously.

Also, even though Alistair needs to see to his warden duty, he is infinitely more sympathetic to Hawkes plight. You can tell that he would have stayed if his mission were not pressing despite the whole "not get involved" edict. Besides, the wardens tend to only use that when getting involved does not further their cause. B*st*rds!

[Addai]

Alistair can do good in either role. I thought it was sweet that King Alistair was trying to do something about the refugee problem- a little late, but then I guess the mother country had its own problems for the first few years of his reign.

[Merilsell]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

As for Alistair, I've always felt that leaving him a warden was the best choice. As king, he will be as trapped by duty as much as he was as a templar novice. As a warden, he can make his own way, become his own man. He has a an honorable profession, albeit quite grim, and he has choices. It seems to "fit" better as was stated previously.

This.

I have the impression he is simply happier this way. I mean he even thanks you for not making him king when "hardened". Also I love to give Eamon the finger way too much to let slip this opportunity. So Warden Alistair is my favorite ending in DA:O and how I see his future and role in the DA-world. I found his (brief) Warden cameo quite badass as well.

[LobselVith8]

I prefer a personality hardened King Alistair (married to Queen Anora with Loghain stationed in Orlais). He's learning governance, he's surprised even Anora, he gives the elves a seat at the royal court, he's helping the mages, and everyone seems to be talking positively about him (except for Meredith, of course).

[AngryFrozenWater]

I think Alistair as a drunk is the best option. A nagging king or warden doesn't help anyone much.

[sylvanaerie]

I'm doing a GW Alistair run but have only just started Act 2 so far so its quite a bit away. My other runs were with my Queen Cousland import. I borrowed this one from a friend since I had no other imports with Awakenings ready.
I'm anticipating GW Alistair to be a let down. For one, he has a lot of humor still as King in his appearance. It's with Teagan which is always a plus for me. And Queen Cousland was mentioned.
If he just has the same lines as Stroud I'm gonna cry because that guy is a dick.

[sylvanaerie]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I prefer a personality hardened King Alistair (married to Queen Anora with Loghain stationed in Orlais). He's learning governance, he's surprised even Anora, he gives the elves a seat at the royal court, he's helping the mages, and everyone seems to be talking positively about him (except for Meredith, of course).

His "Ball and Chain" comment about the queen takes on new meaning with this scenario.

[Gilsa]

Character-wise I think Alistair probably thrives best as a warden. Story-wise I think drunk Alistair is the most interesting. There's closure in warden and King Alistair, but not with drunk Alistair. What is he doing now that he's not a drunk anymore? Did he go off to rejoin the wardens? Has he changed his mind about reclaiming the throne? Or did he finally find the love of a good woman and get the family he's longed for? Either way, I'm glad he didn't stay a drunk forever -- small price to pay for not having to sleep with Morrigan or Anora.

[sylvanaerie]

Gilsa wrote...

Character-wise I think Alistair probably thrives best as a warden. Story-wise I think drunk Alistair is the most interesting. There's closure in warden and King Alistair, but not with drunk Alistair. What is he doing now that he's not a drunk anymore? Did he go off to rejoin the wardens? Has he changed his mind about reclaiming the throne? Or did he finally find the love of a good woman and get the family he's longed for? Either way, I'm glad he didn't stay a drunk forever -- small price to pay for not having to sleep with Morrigan or Anora.

hehe Lady D and I wrote this very scenario!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Assuming Eamon would be kind enough not to use him.

[fusilero1]

For unhardened Alistair I always felt he was better as a Warden. For a hardened Alistair, Kingship does seem something he might actually aim for (if only to stop Anora). Anora - Alistair does not help Alistair much.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

seeing what happened in the deep roads if you take one of your siblings along strengthens my belief that the wardens are mostly an organization of complete jackasses.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 05 avril 2011 - 07:23 .

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Gilsa wrote...

Character-wise I think Alistair probably thrives best as a warden. Story-wise I think drunk Alistair is the most interesting. There's closure in warden and King Alistair, but not with drunk Alistair. What is he doing now that he's not a drunk anymore? Did he go off to rejoin the wardens? Has he changed his mind about reclaiming the throne? Or did he finally find the love of a good woman and get the family he's longed for? Either way, I'm glad he didn't stay a drunk forever -- small price to pay for not having to sleep with Morrigan or Anora.

Is it possible to simply 'go and reclaim your throne'. Like "oh, sorry for the delay. Guess what: you're in luck, I've finally decided to take up the throne." Uh... I hope not. If Alistair doesn't take the throne, Anora does. Cold wench wants to execute poor Alistair so she doesn't risk losing the throne and the stability of Ferelden to a potential rebelion on Alistair's part. So unless Alistair wants to try and start a rebellion just to become king ( which I doubt he would )... he's just a jobless Grey Warden, or that's MY guess at least for now.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 05 avril 2011 - 07:29 .

[Patriciachr34]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Assuming Eamon would be kind enough not to use him.

I think "Kind Eamon" is an oxymoron.

[LadyJaneGrey]

The "swooping is bad" comment in King Alistair's dialogue is pretty cringe-worthy. I guess that makes Grey Warden Alistair the default winner?

[errant_knight]

I always make him king--well, except for the first time when I hadn't figured out how to harden him. That would just be cruel. I think hardened is always better for Alistair as then he can stand up for himself whithout everyone taking advantage of him, without being dependent on the warden. And personally, I think king is better than warden for him. And not married to Anora. I think that's a really nasty thing to do to a guy who wants to be loved for who he is more than anything else.

Eventually, I think Alistair would become very disillusioned with the wardens. He's not a guy who sees things in shades of grey.

As king, he wouldn't only be involved in diplomacy, and when it wasn't secret and urgent, he could send diplomats. He tells you (as king) that Ferelden hasn't exactly been at peace, so it's a good bet that he still engages in his share of fighting. He is one of the most formidable warriors in the kingdom, after all. I don't think he lacks for opportunities to kick butt and take names.

[Harorrd]

I would say King Alistair, only if you thighten him up durning DAO, if you keep him as a **** he should be warden

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...
Eventually, I think Alistair would become very disillusioned with the wardens. He's not a guy who sees things in shades of grey.

He's going to have to do that regardless of whether you make him king or leave him as a Warden, supposing he wants to stay king or be effective in the role at all.  The DA world is a grey one.  And he starts out disillusioned with his role as king, so it evens out.

It appears that he's going to disappear in a lot of epilogues, presumably on Warden business, so in that respect it might be better that he stay a Warden to begin with.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[Herr Uhl]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

The "swooping is bad" comment in King Alistair's dialogue is pretty cringe-worthy. I guess that makes Grey Warden Alistair the default winner?

Yeah, it had the subtelty and grace of a mudslide.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yea politics has its fair share of grey, at least as much as Wardens. For successful politicians anyways, not fairytale like monarchs.

[Aeowyn]

Out of the two the Warden ending has always been my favourite. I believe I only have one ending where I made him King. I believe he's simply happier staying with the Wardens.
That said however, I sincerely hope he's learnt a bit about how Grey Wardens really act after DAO. I mean, Duncan was pretty much the epitome of what a Grey Warden should be like. Blight and the darkspawn first, stay neutral in politics, everything else doesn't matter. That may sound harsh, but alas that is the DA - universe. Alistair was too emotional for a Grey Warden, and while he still had his charm and his humour, I hope that he matured a bit post-Blight.
His Warden cameo was nice, and it was actually kind of good to see that he stuck by the "neutrality" rule (even though that was more because it was only a cameo.).