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[Luckywallace]

I like my Alistair killing the Archdemon and dying so that my Warden can survive into Awakening to avoid any plotholes.

Sorry Al.

[Maria13]

errant_knight wrote...

As king, he wouldn't only be involved in diplomacy, and when it wasn't secret and urgent, he could send diplomats. He tells you (as king) that Ferelden hasn't exactly been at peace, so it's a good bet that he still engages in his share of fighting. He is one of the most formidable warriors in the kingdom, after all. I don't think he lacks for opportunities to kick butt and take names.

But he probably has a hankering to do some of the work himself, like sizing up the champion of Kirkwall, but as for kicking butt I'm with you... and if he wants some back to basics wardening, well there's always Orzammar and Amaranthine...

Modifié par Maria13, 05 avril 2011 - 09:20 .

[errant_knight]

Maria13 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

As king, he wouldn't only be involved in diplomacy, and when it wasn't secret and urgent, he could send diplomats. He tells you (as king) that Ferelden hasn't exactly been at peace, so it's a good bet that he still engages in his share of fighting. He is one of the most formidable warriors in the kingdom, after all. I don't think he lacks for opportunities to kick butt and take names.

But he probably has a hankering to do some of the work himself, like sizing up the champion of Kirkwall, but as for kicking butt I'm with you... and if he wants some back to basics wardening, well there's always Orzammar and Amaranthine...

Yeah, I don't actually see him disliking all aspects of diplomacy. He'd want to draw his own conclusions about someone who was gaining so much power on Ferelden's border (sort of.) And he's a social and likable guy--goodlooking when not in DA2.  I think that in certain situations, he'd have a great deal of success, perhaps more so than someone more formal and predicable. He wouldn't do well in tricky negotiations with people he actively disapproves of, though. Better to send Eamon, Teagan or Fergus in those cases.

Modifié par errant_knight, 05 avril 2011 - 09:53 .

[kedcoleman]

The Angry One wrote...

Gone over this in another topic, suffice to say you're saying it's better to lose potential allies in Kirkwall rather than the Qunari.. who, being Qunari are likely to say "No." anyway?

Consider:  with or without Grey Warden involvement, one side will win, one side will lose.  Without Warden intervention, no matter which wins they are a potential ally (to vary degrees of likelihood).  With Warden involvement there is one potential ally, one potential enemy.   From the perspective of the Wardens greater purpose, the choice is clear.  

Alistair at least seems to be acting under orders and uncomfortable with it. Stroud on the other hand shows no reservations whatsoever.

That just goes to show that Stroud is a more commited leader of the Grey Wardens.  He understands that the Wardens' purpose supercedes any and all other problems.

30 year death sentence vs. imminent death or becoming a ghoul?
This is even debatable how?

Thirty years at most of a life of conflict and danger, dreams full of nightmares and the knowledge that the taint is sitting inside your veins, just waiting to overtake you isn't much of a life.  Not everyone is capable of dealing with that certainty.

Modifié par kedcoleman, 05 avril 2011 - 11:22 .

[UrsulaCousland]

Merilsell wrote...

Patriciachr34 wrote...

As for Alistair, I've always felt that leaving him a warden was the best choice. As king, he will be as trapped by duty as much as he was as a templar novice. As a warden, he can make his own way, become his own man. He has a an honorable profession, albeit quite grim, and he has choices. It seems to "fit" better as was stated previously.

This.

I have the impression he is simply happier this way. I mean he even thanks you for not making him king when "hardened". Also I love to give Eamon the finger way too much to let slip this opportunity. So Warden Alistair is my favorite ending in DA:O and how I see his future and role in the DA-world. I found his (brief) Warden cameo quite badass as well.

100% agree here. The reason I didn't have a King Alistair save is I just can't bring myself to put him on the throne. I'm going to do it, though, while I wait for the patch...

[Augustei]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Which do you prefer?  I have save games of DAO with both.  I thought King Alistair would be the best for Fereldan.  I thought he would be better than Anora.  But when I met both King Alistair and Warden Alistair...I don't know...I just thought Warden Alistair was more "right".  It seemed like Warden Alistair leading the battle suited him better than diplomatic appearances.

What are your thoughts?

He seems kinda badass as a Warden and is potrayed as such. His Warden Cameo was much cooler than his King Cameo imo.. But I'm still having him remain as king.. I mean the people of ferelden rebelled and sacrificed their lives to have a Therin on the throne.. I will not make their sacrifice for nothing =D.
Plus he is the rightful king and the people think his a hero and according to Aveline Everybody loves the guy.. Probably save for some nobles who Zevran will eventually take care of for him =)

[Ryenke]

My Alistair is always a warden in my mind. It may have been better for Ferelden to have a King Alistair, but I loved him too much (even as a friend to my male Wardens) to do that to him. Plus it's a big }%]* you to that complete jerk Eamon.

I'm glad, because the warden Alistair cameo was really good.

[Peer of the Empire]

drunk Alistair

[Kaiser Shepard]

King Alistair, as it beats the alternatives by a mile. Letting him to sacrifice himself isn't an option, neither are allowing Anora to rule or getting saddled up with her myself. Now, if I was able to take the throne for myself, as I should have been as a Cousland with a huge army and several political giants backing me, I would have 'spared' Alistair from this fate. But alas, it was not meant to be...

[Sjofn]

I think it's better for Fereldan to make him king, but better for him to stay a warden. Thus my city elf wardens always made him king (even when it broke their hearts <noble tear>). My dwarves kept him as a warden. My humans and Dalish elves split it even.

[Jobrill]

Personally, I find that Anora is a canny political operative with the gumption and will to stick it out and build a new kingdom. She knows how to play the game and she wants the throne. She'll be head and shoulders above Alistair as a queen, especially if he's non-hardened. Alistair's a warden for me. And yes, that does mean I generally do the Morrigan ritual. Morrigan's a friend and I don't want to die, so why not?

[AtreiyaN7]

I prefer King Alistair, but I'm totally biased by being his queen - heh.

[sonsonthebia07]

Executed Alistair.

[siriusstardodger]

Alistair was one of my favorite characters, hell I loved all of them, and it was great to see him again! But why does he look sooooo horrible?! Both him and Teagan are so ugly! WHYYY?!?!

[Melca36]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Which do you prefer?  I have save games of DAO with both.  I thought King Alistair would be the best for Fereldan.  I thought he would be better than Anora.  But when I met both King Alistair and Warden Alistair...I don't know...I just thought Warden Alistair was more "right".  It seemed like Warden Alistair leading the battle suited him better than diplomatic appearances.

What are your thoughts?

Though I like King Alistair, my preference is Warden Alistair.


Ive made him king but I see no point in it since David Gaider has said he will NEVER have any children with anybody (with the exception of the OGB)

[Dabrikishaw]

King Alistair by himself on the throne.

[Face of Evil]

Melca36 wrote...

Ive made him king but I see no point in it since David Gaider has said he will NEVER have any children with anybody (with the exception of the OGB)

Where did he say that? Links or it didn't happen.

[DeathScepter]

alistar is a better warden than king. it would be interesting to have loghian and Alistar as warden but sadly no.

[babymoon]

I personally like Alistair fancy-free as a Warden. But I always choose for him to be King - and me his queen.

[Aluvious]

Sparing Loghain and marrying hardened Alistair to Anora seems to be the option for Ferelden. The king and queen are beloved by the people and Loghain can work to redeem himself as a fellow Grey Warden.

[Urzon]

Aluvious wrote...

Sparing Loghain and marrying hardened Alistair to Anora seems to be the option for Ferelden. The king and queen are beloved by the people and Loghain can work to redeem himself as a fellow Grey Warden.

That's the ultimate ending for me at least. Not to mention, it's the best punishment for Loghain (no matter how much i love him). He gets turned into a Grey Warden, a group that he distrusts/hates, and he gets sent to Orlais. He has to deal with the very country he hates beyond all else, but i'm sure he is causing all sorts of "accidents" there.

Random Warden: I heard a group of chevaliers got killed in the allys yesterday. Who could do such a thing?
Loghain:

[Jonathan Seagull]

I prefer Warden Alistair. Even though I think his protests about being king are probably largely due to insecurity about whether he would be up to the task, I think being a warden just seems to fit better. I like the idea of Alistair staying right in the fray. While I'm sure he can still do that every now and then as king, it seems to me that he would also have to spend lots of time talking and negotiating and making nice with people he doesn't like. This is pretty much why I think the Warden Alistair cameo is by far the best version, and in fact I think it's the best of any of the DA2 cameos (with possible competition from Nathaniel).

My preference for a Warden Alistair may also be somewhat due to the fact that probably my biggest DA fantasy is to have a point in one of the games where everyone who's a Warden in your games gets together in one place. Imagine a scene with, say, Alistair, Oghren, Bethany, Sigrun, Nathaniel, and Stroud. Or for that matter Loghain, Oghren, Carver, Velanna, and Stroud. It's just epic, and I want it.

[LolaLei]

Warden Alistair. He mentions his love for the Warden in a more "in character" way than he does as King Alistair. Plus, I prefer the idea of him and my Warden going off to do wardeny-things together rather than having one or both of them sitting on the throne dealing with politics.

[thats1evildude]

I stick with King Alistair. Sure, he has some initial hesitation, but he warms to the idea and I think he makes a good king. If you dispute that, then I dare you to present some evidence that he's a bad ruler — edicts that were disastrous for Ferelden, or wars that he's begun. I do know that he's supportive of mages and, if the epilogue screens are to be believed, a lot better for the elves than Anora.

Plus, by making him King, I don't have to listen to Anora's godawful battle speech. (God, it's like nails on a chalkboard.)

Urzon wrote...
That's the ultimate ending for me at least. Not to mention, it's the best punishment for Loghain (no matter how much i love him). He gets turned into a Grey Warden, a group that he distrusts/hates, and he gets sent to Orlais.

I don't know. Him getting executed at the Landsmeet and the tarnishing of his legend seems pretty appropriate to me.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 04 juin 2012 - 10:06 .