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[FlintlockJazz]

KenKenpachi wrote...

I agree with Boba, thats why he was more of a badass, and also why he got the wimminz. Also agree with the below poster, they ruined Boba's voice.

I do like brining Zaeed along with me however.

As to you Captian Obvious *breathes* I find your lack of literacy disturbing.

Aye, the new-trilogy ruined Mr Fett by revealing too much about him that destroyed his mystique.  That and they showed him as some annoying kid.  I would if given the chance tell Mr Lucas that "You are a member of the Hollywood Sellouts and a traitor.  Taken him away!"

[Nerevar-as]

I never understood Fett´s popularity at all. Yeah, Vader didn´t choke him when he protested, but he was still well out of the main characters league. Better not to think about Traviss writing him as an antihero.

[KenKenpachi]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I never understood Fett´s popularity at all. Yeah, Vader didn´t choke him when he protested, but he was still well out of the main characters league. Better not to think about Traviss writing him as an antihero.

He was always that, she made him more like a day time soaps show. I reccomend reading tails of the bounty hunters, and a few other books pre-travis. Hell he only backed the Empire as he didn't trust Jedi and seen rebels as Criminals, and for a sorry 100 Credits killed an Imperial Slaver team.  Or even in Marvel Comics, he was like that pretty much. I know a site listed him as Lawful Evil, but if you dive into his stories, Pre Travis, he was a Chaotic Good, given he did fight the Empire when it suited him, he even crossed blades with Vader and survived. I don't much like the works of Travis myself, Turning the Mandalorians from a Neo Japanese like warrior people, into a Clan of Celtics. But I like what Denning did even less. All the stuff with his wife was already there, only thing Tarvis added was his grand daughter.

Anyways back on topic.


House. I can't stand him. I really don't see how he's so popular. I mean really if your doctor acted like that would you see him? Or not once have the idea to kill him? Then again I never got Sitcoms.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 28 mars 2011 - 03:58 .

[KenKenpachi]

Crap double post on mistake.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 28 mars 2011 - 03:57 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I never understood Fett´s popularity at all. Yeah, Vader didn´t choke him when he protested, but he was still well out of the main characters league. Better not to think about Traviss writing him as an antihero.

Well, going by just the Empire Strikes Back he is shown to be competent by tracking down the Millenium Falcon.  Sure, he never fights the main characters, but then that wasn't his job, he was just being paid to find them and haul Han Solo to Jabba (and since the Empire wanted to capture them why risk yourself when you can let them do the work for you?).  He is kinda the 'working man's' bad guy, a simple bounty hunter trying to make ends meet and make a fortune by disintegrating people for money.  His mask added a level of mystique to him as well, as you weren't sure exactly what he was and with his cold demeanour many thought he might actually be a robot.

Bobba Fett in Return of the Jedi was sold short, his death was played for laughs and really didn't make any sense as to why a bounty hunter would be sitting around there instead of out hunting for bounties.

[KenKenpachi]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

I never understood Fett´s popularity at all. Yeah, Vader didn´t choke him when he protested, but he was still well out of the main characters league. Better not to think about Traviss writing him as an antihero.

Bobba Fett in Return of the Jedi was sold short, his death was played for laughs and really didn't make any sense as to why a bounty hunter would be sitting around there instead of out hunting for bounties.

Actully that was commented on by Lucas. Offically years later in the remakes after his popularity Lucas was going to have him as it was in the books, climbing out at the end of the film, but felt it "Tonned down Jabba's death." Apperantly it was filmed, but left on the cutting room floor. It was mainly added in so they would show there can be a, 7,8,9. Which it seems Lucas comments on those change with his wealth. Just like the whole story was at first about Luke, then its Anakin. Next it will be the Story of the Hero of the Universe, Jar Jar Binks.

Another Remark at the time of the Film was Lucas was PISSED people liked Fett. And thus in typical Lucas Fasion wanted the last laugh. It should be noted that at first Lucas Wanted to sue the 501st, but was talked out of it. Even today he doesn't understand why people liked the Storm Troopers, and keeps them around only for the free advertisements sake.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 28 mars 2011 - 04:08 .

[Druss99]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

I never understood Fett´s popularity at all. Yeah, Vader didn´t choke him when he protested, but he was still well out of the main characters league. Better not to think about Traviss writing him as an antihero.

He was always that, she made him more like a day time soaps show. I reccomend reading tails of the bounty hunters, and a few other books pre-travis. Hell he only backed the Empire as he didn't trust Jedi and seen rebels as Criminals, and for a sorry 100 Credits killed an Imperial Slaver team.  Or even in Marvel Comics, he was like that pretty much. I know a site listed him as Lawful Evil, but if you dive into his stories, Pre Travis, he was a Chaotic Good, given he did fight the Empire when it suited him, he even crossed blades with Vader and survived. I don't much like the works of Travis myself, Turning the Mandalorians from a Neo Japanese like warrior people, into a Clan of Celtics. But I like what Denning did even less. All the stuff with his wife was already there, only thing Tarvis added was his grand daughter.

Anyways back on topic.


House. I can't stand him. I really don't see how he's so popular. I mean really if your doctor acted like that would you see him? Or not once have the idea to kill him? Then again I never got Sitcoms.

Even that was sucky about Boba Fett. He was at his best when he was just a cold mercenary doing things for cash and no one knew who the hell he was with all the rumours about him being Jaster Mereel etc. He had mystery.

Traviss ruined the Mandalorians completely, not just Fett. She held them up as the pinnacle of galactic evolution, they suddenly had unbreakable steel that could withstand a lightsaber, the best ships in the galaxy, the most accepting society in the galaxy, the best fighters, farmers, chefs, nursery school teachers, oranges, you name it the Mandalorians were the best at it. Its left them almost unusable for other authors they are having to take them down several pegs, so at the minute they are no threat at all. In Fate of the Jedi pretty much every skirmish between Mandalorians and Jedi results in Mandalorians being owned and then laughed that. Which is shocking considering how cool they started out, bloody Traviss!

Allistair: Another vote for the whiny ass clown. I didn't mind Morrigan and occassionally found her b*tchy comments comical but Alistair was just a complete prat who acted like a giant child. His voice actor was terrible too, his voice annoyed the hell out of me. One of the reasons I prefer DA2 is that no one is even close to being as annoying as Alistair, except Fenris but that can be fixed.

Modifié par Druss99, 28 mars 2011 - 04:12 .

[rolson00]

MajorStranger wrote...

I've got so many of them:

Sephiroth. Plot hole in the story vacuum that are Final Fantasy games. There's absolutely no reason why he does what he does.

Nathan Drake: a Indy copycat D-bag.

Morrigan: a ****y witch who disaprove with everything I did.

I'll stop there before I start my Nintendo rampage.

tali i see no point to her at all

[vometia]

KenKenpachi wrote...

House. I can't stand him. I really don't see how he's so popular. I mean really if your doctor acted like that would you see him? Or not once have the idea to kill him? Then again I never got Sitcoms.

Laurie was awesome as Prince George, though; I always feel obliged to post this picture whenever anyone mentions house...

[KenKenpachi]

rolson00 wrote...

MajorStranger wrote...

I've got so many of them:

Sephiroth. Plot hole in the story vacuum that are Final Fantasy games. There's absolutely no reason why he does what he does.

Nathan Drake: a Indy copycat D-bag.

Morrigan: a ****y witch who disaprove with everything I did.

I'll stop there before I start my Nintendo rampage.

tali i see no point to her at all

Crystal Ball says this will be your future PM's

WHAT?!

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 28 mars 2011 - 04:23 .

[Seagloom]

Hate is a strong word. I cannot think of any popular character I *hate*. A few of my dislikes...

Morrigan: She is a pushy know-it-all sociopath and is almost a caricatural example of D&D chaotic evil. I have learned to accept that my standards for such clearly differs from most of these forums. That keeps me sane.

Bishop: He is a selfish, sexist douchebag, and a perfect example of how a hawt guy can still turn my stomach once I hear what he thinks.

Minsc: The worst comic relief character BioWare's writers have ever churned out. I love some of Lukas Kristjanson's characters. Minsc is not one of them. All he does is go on and on about kicking evil butt and his hamster. Unlike Jan Jansen, the Black Whirlwind, or Oghren, there is no deeper layer to look forward to. Minsc is 98% surface. Worse, his running gag gets old *fast*.

Yagami Light: A delusional murderer with serious issues of narcissism. I love how pathetic they made him out to be when he died in the manga. It was no less than he deserves. Yet the anime ending, and pretty much the majority of people who have seen Death Note, adore this character. The only thing that separates him from most mass murderers is he never gets his hands dirty.

Uchiha Sasuke: This character was annoying from the start. In a manga with several annoying characters he still stands out--mainly because two protagonists still adore him despite his being a total ***hat. He went from typically stoic angst ridden child to typically psychotic bloodthirsty killer. But I suppose that counts as character development to some.

The entire cast of True Blood... except Russel Edgington, Maryann Forrester, Pam and Alcide: Sad that two of the preceding characters I like were villains who are unlikely to return any time soon, if ever. I enjoy this show, but it is filled to brim with characters that suck for one reason or another. No humor intended.

Modifié par Seagloom, 28 mars 2011 - 04:36 .

[KenKenpachi]

Oh yes Uchiha Sasuke I hate him as well. I was reading the Manga think I'll stop though, what with the Zombie Army bull****. And Naruto is a stupid ass trying to save what doesn't want to be saved.

But whats Bishop from, do you mean the X-men one? If so yes he's a douche.

[Nattfare]

KenKenpachi wrote...
But whats Bishop from, do you mean the X-men one? If so yes he's a douche.

I thought it was Bishop in Neverwinter Nights 2.

Modifié par Nattfare, 28 mars 2011 - 04:31 .

[Seagloom]

NWN2's Bishop. As for the manga, I still follow it. Although I must admit the fourth ninja war arc is dragging on too long. I dislike how it has been handled so far too. It is being used as a means to give characters closure more than anything else, and that sucks. It retroactively damages the way certain subplots ended.

[rolson00]

KenKenpachi wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

MajorStranger wrote...

I've got so many of them:

Sephiroth. Plot hole in the story vacuum that are Final Fantasy games. There's absolutely no reason why he does what he does.

Nathan Drake: a Indy copycat D-bag.

Morrigan: a ****y witch who disaprove with everything I did.

I'll stop there before I start my Nintendo rampage.

tali i see no point to her at all

Crystal Ball says this will be your future PM's

WHAT?!

??? this is a thread on who you don't like i'm simply making a contribution  theres a lot of posts here i don't agree with you dont see me singling them out.

Modifié par rolson00, 28 mars 2011 - 04:49 .

[Some Geth]

Seagloom wrote...

NWN2's Bishop. As for the manga, I still follow it. Although I must admit the fourth ninja war arc is dragging on too long. I dislike how it has been handled so far too. It is being used as a means to give characters closure more than anything else, and that sucks. It retroactively damages the way certain subplots ended.

The Pain arc is what killed Naruto for good as for this stupid ninja war I find it funny that One Piece had a big war like weeks before it and it was better=].

Modifié par Some Geth, 28 mars 2011 - 06:58 .

[Seagloom]

I enjoyed the Pain arc. Naruto finally started to truly mature because of that encounter. I particularly enjoyed how the battle ended in a discussion after so many flashy explosions and such. The actual content of that discussion was weak, and the flashback was a bit too stereotypical of previous flashbacks, but I enjoyed it. I also admit any character even loosely based on Swinburne's Notre-Dame des Sept Douleurs appeals to me. Nagato's Pain incarnation was clearly inspired by it.

That said, the manga began taking a downturn following Itachi's death. I also thought everything following the Pain arc was pretty bad. Granted, Naruto gaining dominance over the fox was fun to page through in that epic battle sort of way, but actual story content has been very weak. The worst part is all the character dilution. There are way too many minor characters trying futilely to share the same spotlight. The ninja war is crap largely because of a focus on characters I could not care less about if someone paid me. I mean, a whole issue dedicated to Mifune and Hanzo? They barely had a presence before now! I do not care about glorified extras in a story.

Modifié par Seagloom, 28 mars 2011 - 09:04 .

[Some Geth]

Seagloom wrote...

I enjoyed the Pain arc. Naruto finally started to truly mature because of that encounter. I particularly enjoyed how the battle ended in a discussion after so many flashy explosions and such. The actual content of that discussion was weak, and the flashback was a bit too stereotypical of previous flashbacks, but I enjoyed it. I also admit any character even loosely based on Swinburne's Notre-Dame des Sept Douleurs appeals to me. Nagato's Pain incarnation was clearly inspired by it.

That said, the manga began taking a downturn following Itachi's death. I also thought everything following the Pain arc was pretty bad. Granted, Naruto gaining dominance over the fox was fun to page through in that epic battle sort of way, but actual story content has been very weak. The worst part is all the character dilution. There are way too many minor characters trying futilely to share the same spotlight. The ninja war is crap largely because of a focus on characters I could not care less about if someone paid me. I mean, a whole issue dedicated to Mifune and Hanzo? They barely had a presence before now! I do not care about glorified extras in a story.

Pain's dog was named Tiny the flashback just flatout sucked and Naruto just had to rip off how Gohan got his SS2 powers with Hinata in the role of Cyborg 16.

But what I think I hate the most about that arc is the fact Pain just gives his life to bring everyone back to life why not killed off all the cast if you will do that? or better not have him bring anyone back to life.

I want to end this post with the only good things I like about Naruto nowadays and they are Bee and the Raikage:wizard:.

Oh and Naruto is still better than Bleach:lol:.

Modifié par Some Geth, 28 mars 2011 - 10:50 .

[Blastback]

Druss99 wrote...



Even that was
sucky about Boba Fett. He was at his best when he was just a cold
mercenary doing things for cash and no one knew who the hell he was with
all the rumours about him being Jaster Mereel etc. He had mystery.

Traviss
ruined the Mandalorians completely, not just Fett. She held them up as
the pinnacle of galactic evolution, they suddenly had unbreakable steel
that could withstand a lightsaber, the best ships in the galaxy, the
most accepting society in the galaxy, the best fighters, farmers, chefs,
nursery school teachers, oranges, you name it the Mandalorians were the
best at it. Its left them almost unusable for other authors they are
having to take them down several pegs, so at the minute they are no
threat at all. In Fate of the Jedi pretty much every skirmish between
Mandalorians and Jedi results in Mandalorians being owned and then
laughed that. Which is shocking considering how cool they started out,
bloody Traviss!

Allistair: Another vote for the whiny ass clown. I
didn't mind Morrigan and occassionally found her b*tchy comments
comical but Alistair was just a complete prat who acted like a giant
child. His voice actor was terrible too, his voice annoyed the hell out
of me. One of the reasons I prefer DA2 is that no one is even close to
being as annoying as Alistair, except Fenris but that can be fixed.

Amen.  In short, any character written by Traviss sucks eggs. 

And she screwed up Delta Squad.  Unforgivable.

For my money, I usually don't hate popular characters just how they are used.  Like how Wolverine shows up everywhere and is the greatest fighter ever becuase a bunch of fanboys are writing him.

Modifié par Blastback, 29 mars 2011 - 01:21 .

[Volus Warlord]

Tali. Seeing her get tossed into a blast furnace would make me cheer.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I actually Like Arthas Menethil and Jaina Proudmoore, but I dislike Garrosh Hellscream and Sylvanas Windrunner.

[Volus Warlord]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

I actually Like Arthas Menethil and Jaina Proudmoore, but I dislike Garrosh Hellscream and Sylvanas Windrunner.

YOU HATED GROM?! WELL GROM GONNA CHOP YA HEAD OFF!


Oh, Garrosh is his son. Screw him, he's actually adopted.

[xCirdanx]

Pikachu...

no, i´m not kidding. I hate that yellow...thing...worse than a damn teletubby.

No wait forget that, they too should get destroyed in the most horrible way possible. <_<

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

I actually Like Arthas Menethil and Jaina Proudmoore, but I dislike Garrosh Hellscream and Sylvanas Windrunner.

YOU HATED GROM?! WELL GROM GONNA CHOP YA HEAD OFF!


Oh, Garrosh is his son. Screw him, he's actually adopted.

Garrosh is still currently the ****  of the Horde. I don't care if he is a competent general, he is too damn blood-thirsty to be a good Warchief. I always thought that Arthas represented a perfect example of how Anakin Skywalker should have been handled. instead of redemption, eternal damnation should have been his fate.

[Seagloom]

Some Geth wrote...

Pain's dog was named Tiny the flashback just flatout sucked and Naruto just had to rip off how Gohan got his SS2 powers with Hinata in the role of Cyborg 16.

But what I think I hate the most about that arc is the fact Pain just gives his life to bring everyone back to life why not killed off all the cast if you will do that? or better not have him bring anyone back to life.

I want to end this post with the only good things I like about Naruto nowadays and they are Bee and the Raikage:wizard:.

Oh and Naruto is still better than Bleach:lol:.

Yes, the dog's name was... unfortunate. There were definitely clichés in that arc. I liked the Hinata bit. We have known about her interest in Naruto for a long time now. Seeing her finally declare her love was a big moment; even if it used in a predictable manner. I also would not equate it to number sixteen and Gohan, since the latter maintained a semblance of self control afterward. Naruto actually won that fight by powering down.

In any case, we fundamentally differ in our views of that arc. Nagato killing himself to ressurect everyone was his redemption piece. It was basically like Vadar throwing Palpatine into the reactor in Star Wars. Yes, it was a bit hokey, but I accepted it. I also liked that it showed a contrast between Naruto and Pain and Sasuke. That is, in the end he chose nonviolence even though he probably could have killed Nagato and Konan right there. Naruto hated Nagato and did not forgive him, but still stopped short of taking vengeance. It was a refreshing change from the typical might makes right approach fight centric manga and anime often take.

I agree about Bee and Raikage, though. Also, I refuse to acknowledge Bleach exists.

Modifié par Seagloom, 29 mars 2011 - 01:56 .