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[Vicious]

It's one of the events that sticks with me in thisgame.

The Viscount holding the lifeless body of his son and consumed by grief.

The very next time you see him, it's The Arishok callously tossing his severed head down the steps of the throne room.

He told Hawke that he couldn't be the person  the city needed, but he managed to man up enough to go to the throne room and defy the Arishok [which is what most likely got him killed]


Needless to say, I was pretty pissed at the Arishok. Sadly he got his book, and I got to kill him, but if the game had let me, I would have had Hawke use magic to burn the book right in front of his face.


Anyone else feel a twinge of sadness for the Viscount?

[AngelicMachinery]

I did, he seemed like a decent enough guy... and the fact that he actually tried to stand up to a giant horned madman really gave him some props.

[WhiteKnyght]

It looked to me like the Arishok killed him to be an example to the others. As old Ari had expressed a lot of contempt for the Viscount in the past I doubt he would have let him live even if he had submitted to the Qun.

[Medhia Nox]

He should have kited better.

All he needed was a slingshot and some good running shoes... seriously, the Viscount didn't really try very hard to "defy".

That being said - yes, he was another one of Hawke's many failures. The failure, after three years, to realize Isabela was a lying, filthy, wench.

[The Angry One]

The Viscount was a better man than the Arishok could ever hope to be.
The Arishok prattles on about honour like the word can be bought for a couple of silver, he doesn't have a clue what it means.
The Viscount meanwhile does his best to keep the situation stable while constantly being slapped in the fact by all sides, hell he wasn't even that concerned with whether Seamus believed in the Qun or not, other than his constant wishy washy defections were just worsening the situation.

[_Aine_]

Despite the fact that I kept waiting for him to say "Make it so!" I liked the guy, wasn't the most competent but that can be argued about politicians in general. lol He seemed nicer than most people in Kirkwall! Seeing that crown on his head, so obviously the same one as the trailers though, I kind of knew *that* battle was going to happen eventually.

[IndigoWolfe]

As did I. Even more so for the fact that people always forgot the "s" in "viscount".

[Lithuasil]

I did feel bad for him.
And while I agree that we need a "so this is your holy book? /fireball" renegade interrupt, I can atleast pretend I got the book back when I killed every Qunari in the room

[Medhia Nox]

Funny thing about the Qunari - I'd love to see how people would react if something of theirs was stolen in real life.

Probably a lot more violent (within the scope of your ability, you don't have an army)... for something of a lot less significance.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 28 mars 2011 - 03:01 .

[TJPags]

The Viscount was a decent man in a crappy situation. At any other time, he may have been the perfect man for the job. In DA2, he was, unfortunately, not right for it - but may have been better suited than anyone else.

Yea, felt a little bad for him.for that reason.

[Lithuasil]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Funny thing about the Qunari - I'd love to see how people would react if something of theirs was stolen in real life.

Probably a lot more violent (within the scope of your ability, you don't have an army)... for something of a lot less significance.

Fun fact - I had something of mine stolen, during a holiday trip to venice. It might surprise you, but I didn't murder the mayor, and I didn't light the city on fire, either.

[AngelicMachinery]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Funny thing about the Qunari - I'd love to see how people would react if something of theirs was stolen in real life.

Probably a lot more violent (within the scope of your ability, you don't have an army)... for something of a lot less significance.

A good point,  but,  going after a whole city instead of one salty pirate hooker is bad form.

[TJPags]

Lithuasil wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Funny thing about the Qunari - I'd love to see how people would react if something of theirs was stolen in real life.

Probably a lot more violent (within the scope of your ability, you don't have an army)... for something of a lot less significance.

Fun fact - I had something of mine stolen, during a holiday trip to venice. It might surprise you, but I didn't murder the mayor, and I didn't light the city on fire, either.

Clearly, you do not understand honor.

[highcastle]

The Angry One wrote...

The Viscount was a better man than the Arishok could ever hope to be.
The Arishok prattles on about honour like the word can be bought for a couple of silver, he doesn't have a clue what it means.
The Viscount meanwhile does his best to keep the situation stable while constantly being slapped in the fact by all sides, hell he wasn't even that concerned with whether Seamus believed in the Qun or not, other than his constant wishy washy defections were just worsening the situation.

I agree with you, sort of. The Arishok's beliefs are just so different from those of non-Qunari. I have a hard time understanding or sympathizing with them at all (especially in light of the treatment of their mages; Shepherding Wolves damned the Qunari for me, sorry). But while I dislike the Arishok's beliefs and disagree with him about people being born into a role and having no choice but to except it or die, the man still has some manner of honor. Same as most Qunari, it seems.

See, at the end of the day, you can duel him and get his entire army to walk away, no questions asked. This isn't something most non-Qunari would do. I can even imagine that if Hawke failed and died, Aveline and the rest of the guard would continue fighting the Qunari and the Arishok. Yet the Arishok's men leave without further incident. This speaks to some measure of honor.

On topic: I too liked the Viscount to a degree, though he came off as largely ineffectual politically. I got the impression that he was little more than a figurehead to keep the nobles happy while the templars wielded the actual power. Considering the last viscount had been deposed by the templars, this makes sense. And really, by placing more emphasis on politics than his familial relations, he helped create the situation that got Saemus killed.

The kid was looking for structure and discipline and a father figure (or so it looked to me). The Viscount was always too busy for him, to concerned with his image, so Saemus went to the one place his father couldn't ignore. And even then, his father sent mercenaries and Hawke to deal with the lad instead of going to him personally. This is Bad Parenting 101. It doesn't make it any less emotional to watch him cradling his boy's body, though. If anything, it's more effective since I believe he feels responsible for the lad's death.

[AngelicMachinery]

highcastle wrote...



The kid was looking for structure and discipline and a father figure (or so it looked to me).

I kind of assumed he was looking for a lover,  but,  my head usually ends up in the gutter...

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 28 mars 2011 - 03:10 .

[Medhia Nox]

@AngelicMachinery: That's good... neither did the Arishok, for three years. And doing those things weren't within your power to do either.

Are you morally outraged at all the rogues guilds in Kirkwall? How about the nobles who ignore the gross poverty? How about the Tevinter mages who seem to trample all over Kirkwall trading slaves? How about the terrorist in your group? How about the STD laden thief who KNEW what would make the Qunari leave? You raging about all of them too?

You know what the American government does to people who steal important things from them? Are you outraged?

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 28 mars 2011 - 03:12 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Are you morally outraged at all the rogues guilds in Kirkwall? Not really.
How about the nobles who ignore the gross poverty? Yes
How about the Tevinter mages who seem to trample all over Kirkwall trading slaves? Yes
How about the terrorist in your group? I hate the blighter
How about the STD laden thief who KNEW what would make the Qunari leave? Yes

I'm also not raging sweety, I expressed an oppinion. Someone really likes their giant bronzed skinned deer men.

[Dark Specie]

The viscount was a decent enough man IMO, who got thrown into a crappy situation. That, said, he wasn't very effective as the supposed "ruler of the city" - but that may be to be expected, since the "viscount" title is just a bit of a puppet position of the emplars, meaning that he never had that uch power/influence to begin with.

[Kenshen]

Vicious wrote...

but if the game had let me, I would have had Hawke use magic to burn the book right in front of his face.

I thought the exact same thing the first time I saw that part.  After all that happened in that room the last thing I would have allowed is for the Qunari to get that book. 

[The Angry One]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@AngelicMachinery: That's good... neither did the Arishok, for three years. And doing those things weren't within your power to do either.

Are you morally outraged at all the rogues guilds in Kirkwall? How about the nobles who ignore the gross poverty? How about the Tevinter mages who seem to trample all over Kirkwall trading slaves? How about the terrorist in your group? How about the STD laden thief who KNEW what would make the Qunari leave? You raging about all of them too?

You know what the American government does to people who steal important things from them? Are you outraged?

So your argument is.. "there is injustice! therefore beheading an innocent neutral party is justifiable."

Wait what?

[Lithuasil]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@AngelicMachinery: That's good... neither did the Arishok, for three years. And doing those things weren't within your power to do either.

Are you morally outraged at all the rogues guilds in Kirkwall? How about the nobles who ignore the gross poverty? How about the Tevinter mages who seem to trample all over Kirkwall trading slaves? How about the terrorist in your group? How about the STD laden thief who KNEW what would make the Qunari leave? You raging about all of them too?

You know what the American government does to people who steal important things from them? Are you outraged?

I assume you're addressing me, not the person agreeing with you. And what the Arishok did, wasn't patience. He sat on his backside for three years, unable to find the book. Once he finally knows where it is, and that it has left Kirkwall... he attacks the city in an all out rampage. Essentially what the Arishok did, was what Orsino did, with the difference that Orsino has some excuse. The Arishok, at this point, has absolutely no redeeming value to clear him of the charge of being an genocidal, bloodcrazed, delusional savage. (Incidentally, that's exactly what he was, all along.)

[Foolsfolly]

He told Hawke that he couldn't be the person the city needed, but he managed to man up enough to go to the throne room and defy the Arishok [which is what most likely got him killed]

And I wish we saw it.

[Medhia Nox]

@AngelicMachinery - I think they're interesting yes. In the same way I think the dwarves and elves of Dragon Age are interesting. But if I were a "fanboi" of any of them - it would be the dwarves.

The Arishok's ending is also a poorly written plot device -

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 28 mars 2011 - 03:23 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

The Angry One wrote...

So your argument is.. "there is injustice! therefore beheading an innocent neutral party is justifiable."

Wait what?

With revolution comes sacrifice, as a certain JRPG baddy once said.

[Ingu]

I liked Saemus, shame he died... he seemed like such a decent person. )=