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[Camenae]

But I thought at the end of Act II before he ambushed Aveline and me, he said something like "Nope I changed my mind, the Qun DOES demand that I cure this city after all." Don't remember exactly what he said though before the spears started raining down...

[TobiTobsen]

The viscount just was a decent man in a crappy situation.
He wasn't really in power in his own city because of the templars who where watching over his shoulder and threatening to "relief" him of his position just like the last viscount. His son was going to submit himself to the qun and got killed for it by fanatics and finally the Arishok charged into his throneroom, possibly ranting about the fact that he was the head of this rotting city and he needed to die because of the fact that people killed his own son. What a way to rub the salt into the wound.

I felt sorry for the viscount and his son. Both were good man in a crappy world.

[Meshakhad2]

I liked him! He was sane! And competent! If only the Arishok had killed Meredith instead!

[Silveryne]

The viscount really lost his head at the end there, guys!!!

...Ba-dum-kssh.

[Hellrazer3600]

When the arishok tossed his head in front of those people that made me hate him even more. I always knew the arishok was an A-hole.

[The Angry One]

Meshakhad2 wrote...

I liked him! He was sane! And competent! If only the Arishok had killed Meredith instead!

What, you want the great and mighty Arishok to best someone other than a civilian old man!?
YOU ASK TOO MUCH OF MIGHTY QUNARI.

[Wulfram]

Lithuasil wrote...

The difference in responsibility between the Viscount and the grand cleric is - a single five minutes of manning up from Elthina, and the whole conflict could be avoided. She had the power, and the responsibility to prevent what happened. Shying away from preventing something, makes you partly responsible.

Elthina manning (womanning?) up would have been disastrous

Elthina:  Meredith, stop being so crazy and tyrannical
Meredith: No.  You must be controlled by blood magic.
Orsino: The Templars are defying the chantry.  We have no choice.  Clearly, I should turn into a horrible blob monster!
Anders: I suddenly feel superfluous to the plot.

Or is the theory that only the Templar leaders who aren't being driven crazy by Lyrium swords are willing to defy the Chantry?

[The Angry One]

Well there's always the possibility that Meredith orders Elthina's arrest and execution, the Templars refuse such a ridiculous order, Meredith unleashes Soul Edge early, everybody fights her and the day is saved!

And then Orsino turns into a monster anyway.

[Lithuasil]

Wulfram wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

The difference in responsibility between the Viscount and the grand cleric is - a single five minutes of manning up from Elthina, and the whole conflict could be avoided. She had the power, and the responsibility to prevent what happened. Shying away from preventing something, makes you partly responsible.

Elthina manning (womanning?) up would have been disastrous

Elthina:  Meredith, stop being so crazy and tyrannical
Meredith: No.  You must be controlled by blood magic.
Orsino: The Templars are defying the chantry.  We have no choice.  Clearly, I should turn into a horrible blob monster!
Anders: I suddenly feel superfluous to the plot.

Or is the theory that only the Templar leaders who aren't being driven crazy by Lyrium swords are willing to defy the Chantry?

We can see half the order working towards releiving Meredith, while she's just being cruel and unreasonable towards mages. If she went all "march to the chantry and bring me the head of my direct superior", she wouldn't stay knight commander very long.

[Augustei]

If I didn't return the tomb it would have fallen into Tevinter hands, they would have broken Qunari morale and as a end result although not very highly possible, not unlikely would have taken back Seheron..

I view the Qunari as better than Tevinter.. so the tomb will be returned to the Qunari. Not the stupid magic worshippers who run their land through maleficarum and test of magical might and trampling on the non mages... Whereas Par Vollen and Seheron dont do that but give everyone a purpose..

Tevinter or Qunari... Qunari

[The Angry One]

XxDeonxX wrote...

If I didn't return the tomb it would have fallen into Tevinter hands, they would have broken Qunari morale and as a end result although not very highly possible, not unlikely would have taken back Seheron..

I view the Qunari as better than Tevinter.. so the tomb will be returned to the Qunari. Not the stupid magic worshippers who run their land through maleficarum and test of magical might and trampling on the non mages... Whereas Par Vollen and Seheron dont do that but give everyone a purpose..

Tevinter or Qunari... Qunari

Phft. At least the Tevinters are honest about their slavery.

[Augustei]

The Angry One wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

If I didn't return the tomb it would have fallen into Tevinter hands, they would have broken Qunari morale and as a end result although not very highly possible, not unlikely would have taken back Seheron..

I view the Qunari as better than Tevinter.. so the tomb will be returned to the Qunari. Not the stupid magic worshippers who run their land through maleficarum and test of magical might and trampling on the non mages... Whereas Par Vollen and Seheron dont do that but give everyone a purpose..

Tevinter or Qunari... Qunari

Phft. At least the Tevinters are honest about their slavery.

Not about their blood magic however.. That thing that isn't practiced in Par Vollen =P
And Tevinter slavery is really bad compared to Qunari "Slavery"

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 28 mars 2011 - 10:59 .

[Lithuasil]

Technically they are. And I'd rather take my chances with the people who *only* want to enslave me, as opposed to people who want to enslave me, and kill me if don't thank them for it.

[TobiTobsen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

If I didn't return the tomb it would have fallen into Tevinter hands, they would have broken Qunari morale and as a end result although not very highly possible, not unlikely would have taken back Seheron..

I view the Qunari as better than Tevinter.. so the tomb will be returned to the Qunari. Not the stupid magic worshippers who run their land through maleficarum and test of magical might and trampling on the non mages... Whereas Par Vollen and Seheron dont do that but give everyone a purpose..

Tevinter or Qunari... Qunari

Phft. At least the Tevinters are honest about their slavery.

Not about their blood magic however.. That thing that isn't practiced in Par Vollen =P
And Tevinter slavery is really bad compared to Qunari "Slavery"

Oh really? The amulet Ketojan gives you is an amulet that improves blood magic. Coincidence? Maybe... but every Saarebas being a blood mage would explain why the qunari react so hysterical to magic.

[The Angry One]

I would imagine that any Saarebas who managed to break free would resort to blood magic much like circle mages backed into a corner would, especially as Saarebas have it far worse.

The Qun's response? "LA LA LA LA LA NO BLOOD MAGIC NO PROBLEMS LA LA LA!"

[TobiTobsen]

The Angry One wrote...

I would imagine that any Saarebas who managed to break free would resort to blood magic much like circle mages backed into a corner would, especially as Saarebas have it far worse.

The Qun's response? "LA LA LA LA LA NO BLOOD MAGIC NO PROBLEMS LA LA LA!"

Na... the Quns response would be:

"How many Qunari we lost to blood magic? None"
"But yesterday I saw this Saarebas who was using blood magic"
"No"

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 28 mars 2011 - 11:22 .

[Augustei]

The Angry One wrote...

I would imagine that any Saarebas who managed to break free would resort to blood magic much like circle mages backed into a corner would, especially as Saarebas have it far worse.

The Qun's response? "LA LA LA LA LA NO BLOOD MAGIC NO PROBLEMS LA LA LA!"

or he would kill himself for shaming the Qun... Which is a highly possible outcome since he has been raised to think that way since birth... And unlike the circles the Saarebas in Par Vollen have 0 outside influence. Same with Seheron I would imagine. As for the ones outside those areas they are either in Tevinter killing Tevinters (Serving their purpose.. they'd like doing that) Or in Kirkwall... Killing themselves to uphold the way of the Qun (Ketojan)

[ISpeakTheTruth]

He was put in a horrible situation that no one could fix. Yet he did try to keep everything from going to hell and I always admired that part of his character he was a very good person and that's why I never let the Arishok go home. He's a coward that kills and un-armed man, there's no honor in that.

[Carmen_Willow]

The Viscount was the parent with whom I cried over the loss of his child. I thought he was well written as the man doing his best in an overwhelming situation and who loses the thing that matters most to him because of it.

[Wulfram]

Lithuasil wrote...

We can see half the order working towards releiving Meredith, while she's just being cruel and unreasonable towards mages. If she went all "march to the chantry and bring me the head of my direct superior", she wouldn't stay knight commander very long.

If Meredith ordered the Grand Cleric's death, they might turn on her.  If she simply insisted on continuing to take all efforts necessary to root out blood mages, I don't see any reason to think they'd turn on her.  They start ignoring chantry orders pretty soon after the game finishes anyway.

We see the whole order massacring innocents on Meredith's command, after all.

Elthina's policy ultimately failed, but only because of issues she could not plan for - Anders and the Lyrium sword.  Without it, it may have avoided total disaster.  While a policy of open confrontation with the Knight Commander was likely to be immediately disastrous.

[packardbell]

He was indecisive, cowardly, and spineless. He didn't deserve death though, his predecessor was a much better Viscount. He wasn't afraid of fighting for Kirkwall's independence from the templars.. even if that meant his death.

[Parrk]

People complained about the quicktime events in ME2. But I found myself on many occasions wishing that there was a big red mouse pic on the left of my screen.

Kidnapped Bethany: That entire dialogue has never been necessary for my characters. Thrask: "I'd hoped you wouldn't come here." BIG RED MOUSE (throwing knife to the forehead. Fight ensues).

Looking for mom: Kid won't tell what he knows BIG RED MOUSE (Backhand)

Any time Fenris opens his mouth: BIG RED MOUSE (smack him in the head with a large text titled "Live Journal" , "Put it in here and stfu!"

There are any number of great places the could have stuck events. I am a huge fan of instances where you know you are going to kill someone or some group and you get the option to not listen to their speeches (and maybe kill them in a really funny way (like shooting gas tank under monologue-ing Krogan)).

[Kerilus]

The Angry One wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@AngelicMachinery: That's good... neither did the Arishok, for three years. And doing those things weren't within your power to do either.

Are you morally outraged at all the rogues guilds in Kirkwall? How about the nobles who ignore the gross poverty? How about the Tevinter mages who seem to trample all over Kirkwall trading slaves? How about the terrorist in your group? How about the STD laden thief who KNEW what would make the Qunari leave? You raging about all of them too?

You know what the American government does to people who steal important things from them? Are you outraged?

So your argument is.. "there is injustice! therefore beheading an innocent neutral party is justifiable."

Wait what?

Oh, but the Viscount was hardly innocent. He was the most powerful man in Kirkwall and the injustice he allowed, maybe even fed upon, through bribery and relations. But I do agree the viscount did everthing he could to stablize the situation and maintain peace, however tragically not enough.

Modifié par Kerilus, 28 mars 2011 - 01:40 .

[TobiTobsen]

Kerilus wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@AngelicMachinery: That's good... neither did the Arishok, for three years. And doing those things weren't within your power to do either.

Are you morally outraged at all the rogues guilds in Kirkwall? How about the nobles who ignore the gross poverty? How about the Tevinter mages who seem to trample all over Kirkwall trading slaves? How about the terrorist in your group? How about the STD laden thief who KNEW what would make the Qunari leave? You raging about all of them too?

You know what the American government does to people who steal important things from them? Are you outraged?

So your argument is.. "there is injustice! therefore beheading an innocent neutral party is justifiable."

Wait what?

Oh, but the Viscount was hardly innocent. He was the most powerful man in Kirkwall and the injustice he allowed, maybe even fed upon, through bribery and relations. But I do agree the viscount did everthing he could to stablize the situation and maintain peace, however tragically not enough.

The Viscount is nothing more than a hand puppet of the templars. If he speaks up against them he will end just like his predecessor. Dead.

[Beerfish]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Funny thing about the Qunari - I'd love to see how people would react if something of theirs was stolen in real life.

Probably a lot more violent (within the scope of your ability, you don't have an army)... for something of a lot less significance.

Well lets see what would I do....

First I would go to the land where I thought my item was.  (I would say I'm just a tourist so I would be lieing the moment I set foot in said country.)
Then I would sit on my ass in a hotel for 7 years complaining about how I hated everything about the country.
I would make no real effort to find my stolen item, I'd just sit there and complain and tell everyone I met they were losers and their land was crap while Canada was a great land.
Finally after some kind soul finds my lost item for me I'd berate them for being residents of the foul country I was in and demand they let me take their friend back to Canada so we can execute them.
After getting my ears boxed by the kind soul who found my item for me, I tell them 'you just don't understand!' and attack the country (for the countries own good).

I'd say that about covers it.