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[BiowarEA]

So while reading the bioware social board and raging like a banshee a thought hit me on why DA2 is such and ugly game. 

It is the class of styles and the difference in quality from one thing to the other. 

For Example.


In this picture you can see a fairly detailed Armour/Blood splatter and yet you have a hurlock to the left that is blurry and a ground that also looks like it is out of focus.
Now that entire picture is kind of low grade, but the point still stands.

Now of course a lot of the fanboys and twilight wannabe brigade is going to scream up about that the game is stylised and in some cases that is a fair point. The only issue is that stylised dose not mean ugly.

Take a game like Kings bounty Armoured Princess.





It is by no means a high performing super game that will test your graphics card, but it is a stylised game that has a kind of unique look that both plays into the story and feel of the game. 
IT is also a good looking game because it is persistent with Great art work, menus and art design that all looks to be from the same universe. 

Now back to DA2.




-- There is something that is nice and detailed then it is ruined by something massive like the hair looking more like a wig or a helmet then hair. 
-- A Detailed weapon, but a very un-detailed face. 
-- A somewhat detailed scarf/armour with GIANT square boobs and hair that looks like it was badly photo shopped on.




Her you have the whole shebang in one picture and it is kind of clear to see the big disconnect between art style, details and so on.

Lifeless backgrounds with huge stretches of land with nothing. No dead tress, no abandoned farms, shrubberies or any thing. Nothing interesting other then a small little fire in one direction.
We have some detailed armour and weapons, but again we have the horrid looking ground.

There is a ton of little things her and there (and some big ones) that breaks the look for the game and the clashes in art styles.

So in the end the reason why DA2 is such and ugly game is not becaus of detail or quality, but because there is not one clear art direction and things do not seem to fit into the same universe. It is not consistent and that makes the game look even uglier.







 

Modifié par BiowarEA, 28 mars 2011 - 04:48 .

[Baelyn]

Nice photoshop.

Mind posting links to where these came from? Cause my DA2 looks nothing like half of those pictures.

Modifié par Baelyn, 28 mars 2011 - 04:52 .

[BiowarEA]

There is no photoshopping at all my friend..you can check the link addresses if you so wish.

[VanDraegon]

If graphical excellence is a priority for you, you shouldnt be buying Bioware games.

[BiowarEA]

VanDraegon wrote...

If graphical excellence is a priority for you, you shouldnt be buying Bioware games.

That was not at all the point of my post. <_<

[Tommy6860]

Baelyn wrote...

Nice photoshop.

Mind posting links to where these came from? Cause my DA2 looks nothing like half of those pictures.

Mine does.

[Baelyn]

BiowarEA wrote...

There is no photoshopping at all my friend..you can check the link addresses if you so wish.

Those are either from very old builds or...well I don't even know. But as I said my Dragon Age 2 looks infinitely better than those and I am only running it on Medium with no high res texture pack.

[MachDelta]

Do keep in mind that KB:AP can cut a lot more corners because the camera is generally restricted to an isometric viewpoint. They don't need to worry about super high-res textures because they generally aren't close enough to the camera to notice (although if you take a look at the tree branch just above the minimap in the first picture, you'll see that the textures for that game aren't all that spectacular - but they don't need to be). The other bonus is, because the camera angle is restricted to a largely top-down viewpoint, they can pack a lot more polygons in a single frame before they have to worry about bringing all but the most powerful iron to it's knees.

If you were able to get the camera low enough in KBAP to see Amilee's face up close, and an entire island in the background (similar to the second last shot), you'd see that she's really not very detailed (seriously, check her out in the editor some time. She's extremely well done on such a sparse polygon budget). You'd have plenty of time too, because your computer would be having a heart attack from trying to draw the whole island at once.

DA2 may not be the most gorgeous game out there, but I think Bioware did a pretty good job all things considered.
Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that though.

[DomiiMai]

Dragon Age look better than that crappy looking game you have up.

Lock please!

[Kileyan]

VanDraegon wrote...

If graphical excellence is a priority for you, you shouldnt be buying Bioware games.

If you look at his counter examples, I don't think he is talking about cutting edge game system melting graphics. He is just talking about style and detail.

Personally I was impressed with the character models. The game areas, even if you ignore that they are reused, were just totally devoid of detail and Bioware is actually proud of it, according to that interview. Every area is just a 10 foot wide path with occasional small rooms/openings, whether they are indoors or outdoors areas. The whole coastal area is just single color 10 foot wide sand paths/cooridors with rooms for example.

[DAO MAdhatter]

Baelyn wrote...

BiowarEA wrote...

There is no photoshopping at all my friend..you can check the link addresses if you so wish.

Those are either from very old builds or...well I don't even know. But as I said my Dragon Age 2 looks infinitely better than those and I am only running it on Medium with no high res texture pack.

Mine does too. & im using an xbox 360.

The Op is just another troll who cant stand the thought of DA 2 actually being better than his precious DAO.

Modifié par DAO MAdhatter, 28 mars 2011 - 05:09 .

[BiowarEA]

@Kileyan: Exactly my point!

[Scnew]

Everything in DA2 is gray or brown. The only times you get to see a dash of color is on the Wounded Coast or Sundermount, and even then you're only seeing sand, water, or grass.

[Tommy6860]

It's not an ugly games, but Kirkwall is rather bland because of the lack of activity. The natural environments are static, something I frown on, where they were active in Origins. Origins, had its own issues, like distant areas looking extremely flat with near no detail (note the water and boats in Redcliffe). I think the character models looked better in Origins, but I think the character movement and gestures in the DA2 cutscenes looked much better, even more realistic. The faces look great in DA2, but the eyes are terrible looking as if they are big marbles rolling around.

The detail in the textures in nice in DA2, but the lack of different areas (recycling areas over and over again) kills that effect. I remember when Chris Priestly (condescendingly social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/260/index/5473672/4) addressed the install size of the game before it was released when many questioned system requirements that where 7gig HDD space minimum was needed for the install, whereas Origins needed 20. He made up some excuse that they used some new compression format (which it isn't new). Turns out the actual install was only 5.5gigs and you had to download a high-res package (1.1gigs) for better textures, from Bioware. So, even though it has good graphics, the install size is congruent with the recycled areas being used over and over again.. Origins was massive.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 28 mars 2011 - 05:14 .

[Baelyn]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

BiowarEA wrote...

There is no photoshopping at all my friend..you can check the link addresses if you so wish.

Those are either from very old builds or...well I don't even know. But as I said my Dragon Age 2 looks infinitely better than those and I am only running it on Medium with no high res texture pack.

Mine does too. & im using an xbox 360.

The Op is just another troll who cant stand the thought of DA 2 actually being better than her precious DAO.

Hint number 1: Warrior Hawke is using Mage champion armor.

Anyone who actually owns the game will recognize it looks nowhere close to this. But nice try OP I'm sure your friends at the Codex will have a grand laugh about this.

[BiowarEA]

@Baelyn: If you don't feel like contributing anything substantial, please don't derail the thread by provoking confrontation. The screenshots are from gaming websites and the quality of the "artwork" and "consistency of design" are exactly the same as found in the retail game.

[Nigawatts]

The art direction in DA2 was ****ing horrible. You get this grand and detailed map but you can't see half the **** in it because it's either out of focus, or put behind some ugly building. It's not just certain places either.

You can't take Sundermount and tell me it looks better than Brecilian Forest.

Nor the Primeval Thaig to the Deep Trenches.

This isn't about DAO looking better either, cuz some people can't tell the difference between graphics and design. You can have great graphics but it doesn't mean squat if everything looks so drab and uninteresting. Freaking Ostagar lwas better designed, and had more personality than all of Kirkwall combined. And you were only there for a tiny part of the game.

[Fhaileas]

Nigawatts wrote...

This isn't about DAO looking better either, cuz some people can't tell the difference between graphics and design. You can have great graphics but it doesn't mean squat if everything looks so drab and uninteresting.

That is a good point and I think it is exactly what the OP was referring to. Comparing DA2 to Baldur's Gate for example, the art direction and design is infinitely better in the latter despite the former having superior "graphics".

[Tommy6860]

Baelyn wrote...

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

BiowarEA wrote...

There is no photoshopping at all my friend..you can check the link addresses if you so wish.

Those are either from very old builds or...well I don't even know. But as I said my Dragon Age 2 looks infinitely better than those and I am only running it on Medium with no high res texture pack.

Mine does too. & im using an xbox 360.

The Op is just another troll who cant stand the thought of DA 2 actually being better than her precious DAO.

Hint number 1: Warrior Hawke is using Mage champion armor.

Anyone who actually owns the game will recognize it looks nowhere close to this. But nice try OP I'm sure your friends at the Codex will have a grand laugh about this.

You're not proving anything about his claim. He doesn't like the graphics and they are not all that great overall. The image you question is actually from the action that starts the game, so I don't see where you are getting an issue with it showing Champin armor, it does that anyway in the beginning. The bottom three images he posted from the game are not cutscenes. Also, if you actually view his image, it clearly isn't set on any high res texture, or it is a console screenshot.  Anyway, here's is my screenshot I just took on my PC:

Modifié par Tommy6860, 28 mars 2011 - 05:38 .

[Travie]

The graphics look mediocre because they didn't put the time in to make them good.

[Altima Darkspells]

The painted-on buckles on the last picture of the OP in the shoulder area just makes me want to rip my hair out.

Incredibly tacky and ugly.

[astrallite]

Performance is also legendary.

Metro 2033 is considereed the most demanding game today...until DA2

Modifié par astrallite, 28 mars 2011 - 05:45 .

[Tommy6860]

Travie wrote...

The graphics look mediocre because they didn't put the time in to make them good.

The hi-res texture pack they offer does pretty good. You can also download a texture mod from DA nexus that really improves the looks:

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

[wulfsturm]

astrallite wrote...
Metro 2033 is considereed the most demanding game today...until DA2

What? No it's not, not by a long shot.

[addu2urmanapool]

Someone needs to post a screenshot of The Blurry Elf.