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[Nigawatts]

It doesn't matter about the performance! I don't give 2 ****s if I'm running the game at 60FPS Full Load if the things in the game I'm looking at look horrible.

Look at Lowtown...LOOK at it. Not the graphics, look at what is actually being displayed. It looks ugly! And not just because it's the poor part of town (although with all the washed and polished buildings I don't know what's so poor about it). There are only 2 intresting features about Lowtown. The Hanged Man, and only because of the actual hanged man sign (which is pretty clever I like that), and the Alienage's tree. Other than that it's brown streets and white buildings. OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.

[Lord_Valandil]

It's just a recycled mess.

[Tommy6860]

astrallite wrote...

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Performance is also legendary.

Metro 2033 is considereed the most demanding game today...until DA2

Not by a longshot. Crysis is still the biggest benhchmark to this day for testing high end graphics cards. Metro 2033 is more taxing than DA2 could ever be. DA2's problem is with the poor implementation of their graphics where it causes stuttering,even on the most powerful cards. It has been a complaint here ad nauseam.

[Nigawatts]

Yeah DA2 roflstomps my 460 fermi in SLI. And I can run Crysis like a champ as well as Metro.

But it's like the Witcher in that I deactivate SLI and it starts to run better. The Witcher ran fine in SLI actually, it's just the lighting effects bled through everything. Was really interesting when the sun was out and you were in the swamp.

[AtreiyaN7]

It's not ugly at all in my opinion. In fact, I find your comparisons a little dubious for a number of reasons.

• You used an early (and I remember that it came out early on) screenshot of that purple-haired Bethany. In the released game, she certainly doesn't look like that. It is not representative of the game.
• Comparing the blighted lands, which are supposed to look desolate and barren to a forested area from another game? Yeah, great job there. Maybe you should have tried Sundermount or a cave or the Bone Pit or the Wounded Coast or someplace that actually has vegetation.

Oh well - it's not like I take many of your posts very seriously, although the "So while reading the bioware social board and raging like a banshee a thought hit me" line was nominally amusing. Furthermore, I really don't think that having some rococo and stereotypical fantasy-themed UI is necessarily a positive. Woohoo, I have more visual clutter at the bottom of my screen - just what I needed to set the mood!

I can tell you that when working, the last thing I enjoy is having things clutter up the bottom of the pasteboard in InDesign. I appreciate having a clean, minimalist interface that doesn't detract from the game. 

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 28 mars 2011 - 06:14 .

[astrallite]

wulfsturm wrote...

astrallite wrote...
Metro 2033 is considereed the most demanding game today...until DA2

What? No it's not, not by a long shot.

Really. So give 5 examples. That's pretty generous for a "long shot."

Oh wait, nevermind, this is your typical posting behavior so I don't expect a response.

Modifié par astrallite, 28 mars 2011 - 06:10 .

[Travie]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Travie wrote...

The graphics look mediocre because they didn't put the time in to make them good.

The hi-res texture pack they offer does pretty good. You can also download a texture mod from DA nexus that really improves the looks:

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

The high texture pack (which they made at the last minute to respond to criticism that the game didn't look as good as other games coming out this year) did improve some textures like armor BUT:

1. Its only for PC so console players are out of luck.

2. It shines a light even brighter on the low-res textures they did not fix/put effort into.


Its always good when companies respond to criticism, and they deserve praise for that. It does not, however, fix the fundamental problems with this game... even the graphical ones.

[astrallite]

The high res texture pack was supposed to be in the game to start with, there's a toggle to enable it, but they simply didn't provide it with the retail release.

Kind of like the DLC...unless you believe Sebasitian is a 30MB DLC. Which at least 3 "veteran" posters from the BG boards seem to think so.

Modifié par astrallite, 28 mars 2011 - 06:19 .

[Baelyn]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

BiowarEA wrote...

There is no photoshopping at all my friend..you can check the link addresses if you so wish.

Those are either from very old builds or...well I don't even know. But as I said my Dragon Age 2 looks infinitely better than those and I am only running it on Medium with no high res texture pack.

Mine does too. & im using an xbox 360.

The Op is just another troll who cant stand the thought of DA 2 actually being better than her precious DAO.

Hint number 1: Warrior Hawke is using Mage champion armor.

Anyone who actually owns the game will recognize it looks nowhere close to this. But nice try OP I'm sure your friends at the Codex will have a grand laugh about this.

You're not proving anything about his claim. He doesn't like the graphics and they are not all that great overall. The image you question is actually from the action that starts the game, so I don't see where you are getting an issue with it showing Champin armor, it does that anyway in the beginning. The bottom three images he posted from the game are not cutscenes. Also, if you actually view his image, it clearly isn't set on any high res texture, or it is a console screenshot.  Anyway, here's is my screenshot I just took on my PC:

Because there are 3 different Champion armors that look very distinct from each other in the finished version of the game. In the very early builds of the game there was only one Champion armor design, which was the mage design. So in the early screenshots every class in the beginning scene was wearing the same armor. Hence the warrior in his screenshot wearing the mage champion armor hints to the fact that it was taken from a very early build (If you couldn't OBVIOUSLY tell that from the fact that Bethany's hair is purple and Hawke's beard looks nothing like that.) So you are missing my point exactly. Which is proving that you can't provide screenshots from early development stages as a legit comparison on whether a game looks good or not. It makes no sense.

I hope you know that all of you are getting trolled by this guy. He is a known troll from RPG Codex. Head over there if you will and you will find him laughing about how he trolled BSN with this or that (Hint his sig is the same at both sites.)

All that nonsense aside, DA2 is hardly an ugly game in my opinion.

[Ixalmaris]

By now the picture should be rather famous.

The high powered graphics of DA2...

Modifié par Ixalmaris, 28 mars 2011 - 07:02 .

[wulfsturm]

astrallite wrote...

Really. So give 5 examples. That's pretty generous for a "long shot."

Oh wait, nevermind, this is your typical posting behavior so I don't expect a response.

Since you only gave one example, I'll give you two: Crysis and Crysis 2.

Isn't ad hominem great?

Modifié par wulfsturm, 28 mars 2011 - 07:05 .

[Edli]

I hate the "stylized" look they decided to go with. It looks too much cartoony and with sex and blood in the face it just doesn't feel right. It kinda targets a more mature audience but the artstyle and over exaggerated animations suggests otherwise.

[astrallite]

wulfsturm wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Really. So give 5 examples. That's pretty generous for a "long shot."

Oh wait, nevermind, this is your typical posting behavior so I don't expect a response.

Since you only gave one example, I'll give you two: Crysis and Crysis 2.

Isn't ad hominem great?

Crysis 2? Not by a long shot. You have 1 example. High five! Just kidding. You fail.

[wulfsturm]

astrallite wrote...

Crysis 2? Not by a long shot. You have 1 example. High five! Just kidding. You fail.

LOL YOUR SOO COOL FOR BELITTLING A TOTAL STRANGER ON THE INTERNET I WISH I WAS AS COOL AS YOU LOL.

[astrallite]

wulfsturm wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Crysis 2? Not by a long shot. You have 1 example. High five! Just kidding. You fail.

LOL YOUR SOO COOL FOR BELITTLING A TOTAL STRANGER ON THE INTERNET I WISH I WAS AS COOL AS YOU LOL.

Wishes are for ******. If you want something do it.

[Balerion84]

I'm not going to talk about the quality of the graphics, like textures, or the technical stuff. That's fine. But the style is just horrible. Bland.
The start of the game is just really ugly. And I don't mean it in the way "It's a land torn by war, so it should be ugly", it's ugly, because it's bland. There's nothing interesting. And it's the same with rest of the game. Kirkwall is just boring. I mean, look at the elven alienage in DA:O for example. Lively, colorful.
Or the coast and mountains in DA2... it's all 'meh'. Nothing to get my attention or to look at. Horrible design. Uninspired, empty, soulless...

[addu2urmanapool]

Ixalmaris wrote...

By now the picture should be rather famous.

The high powered graphics of DA2...

Post the infamous elf, too.

Modifié par addu2urmanapool, 28 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[ink07]

Console based development (then ported to PC) vs. PC based development then downscaled to consoles. That's why textures tend to seem blurier when upscaled to the many resolutions a PC offers. This also happens in ME to a lesser extent.

Also, the game is not very well implemented and the worst case of all, the artwork seems to have taken a turn for the worst. The demo area is one of the blandest, most uninspired landscapes ever to appear in a game. The pallete is hideous and the enemies are ugly and belnd into the background). Kirkwall isn't far behind in all these.

[Kidd]

Edli wrote...

I hate the "stylized" look they decided to go with. It looks too much cartoony and with sex and blood in the face it just doesn't feel right. It kinda targets a more mature audience but the artstyle and over exaggerated animations suggests otherwise.

How are art styles that don't look like CoD not for mature audiences? I love all the colour in Mass Effect for instance, I'm a big sucker for colour. Very nice that DA2 has more colours than brown, purplish-brown, red-brown and grey-brown ^^ It doesn't look realistic, but does it have to? I certainly don't think perfect realism is the most important thing ever, on the contrary that's boring.

[orbit991]

I downloaded a texture mod from the nexus and the game looks quite a bit better, though until a mod tool comes out there is little to save the "art" direction.

[Edli]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Edli wrote...

I hate the "stylized" look they decided to go with. It looks too much cartoony and with sex and blood in the face it just doesn't feel right. It kinda targets a more mature audience but the artstyle and over exaggerated animations suggests otherwise.

How are art styles that don't look like CoD not for mature audiences? I love all the colour in Mass Effect for instance, I'm a big sucker for colour. Very nice that DA2 has more colours than brown, purplish-brown, red-brown and grey-brown ^^ It doesn't look realistic, but does it have to? I certainly don't think perfect realism is the most important thing ever, on the contrary that's boring.

I don't know why you bring ME to counter my point. I love how ME looks and is no where cartoony even though it has its own unique style.
There is something about DA2 overall feel that just doesn't feel right for me. My 10 years old little brother loves the artstyle and over the top animations but then there is sex and blood all over. It's confusing which age is DA2 targeting.

[P_k_r]

Edli wrote...
There is something about DA2 overall feel that just doesn't feel right for me. My 10 years old little brother loves the artstyle and over the top animations but then there is sex and blood all over. It's confusing which age is DA2 targeting.

Isn't it obvious? The huge ****** and revealing outfits, blood splatter, angsty themes all over the place, the motif of mother-son relationship (Hawke, Feynriel, Varric, etc.), flat one-liners being tossed left and right. Having all that in mind, I just can't see how this is targeted at a mature audiance, it's aimed at male teenagers.

[orbit991]

Edli wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Edli wrote...

I hate the "stylized" look they decided to go with. It looks too much cartoony and with sex and blood in the face it just doesn't feel right. It kinda targets a more mature audience but the artstyle and over exaggerated animations suggests otherwise.

How are art styles that don't look like CoD not for mature audiences? I love all the colour in Mass Effect for instance, I'm a big sucker for colour. Very nice that DA2 has more colours than brown, purplish-brown, red-brown and grey-brown ^^ It doesn't look realistic, but does it have to? I certainly don't think perfect realism is the most important thing ever, on the contrary that's boring.

I don't know why you bring ME to counter my point. I love how ME looks and is no where cartoony even though it has its own unique style.
There is something about DA2 overall feel that just doesn't feel right for me. My 10 years old little brother loves the artstyle and over the top animations but then there is sex and blood all over. It's confusing which age is DA2 targeting.

Maybe adults with a 10 year old mentality, wooosh, I know, cheap shot.

[Kidd]

Edli wrote...

I don't know why you bring ME to counter my point. I love how ME looks and is no where cartoony even though it has its own unique style.
There is something about DA2 overall feel that just doesn't feel right for me. My 10 years old little brother loves the artstyle and over the top animations but then there is sex and blood all over. It's confusing which age is DA2 targeting.

I brought in ME because it also has a very distinct art style. Heck, look at King's Bounty earlier in this thread, it's beautiful too and it's got a very original art style to it as well.

Of course you can dislike it, anyone can dislike any art style since it's a case of opinion and taste. But you're not saying it's something you don't enjoy, you're saying it's unfit for a mature audience. I don't understand that. Should King's Bounty not be played by adults? Does Zelda Wind Waker look unappealing to anyone over the age of 10? If anything, I heard so many teenagers complain about the lack of emo in the art style before Wind Waker was released but I know me and my friends loved it - it's full of charm.

Art styles aren't inherently mature or not. Heck, as much as I know the new My Little Pony isn't written for me, I find the art style to be absolutely beautiful. Had it been written with me in mind instead of my future children I would probably have enjoyed the show to no ends, but as for now I'll just like the art =)

[Tommy6860]

Travie wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

Travie wrote...

The graphics look mediocre because they didn't put the time in to make them good.

The hi-res texture pack they offer does pretty good. You can also download a texture mod from DA nexus that really improves the looks:

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

The high texture pack (which they made at the last minute to respond to criticism that the game didn't look as good as other games coming out this year) did improve some textures like armor BUT:

1. Its only for PC so console players are out of luck.

2. It shines a light even brighter on the low-res textures they did not fix/put effort into.


Its always good when companies respond to criticism, and they deserve praise for that. It does not, however, fix the fundamental problems with this game... even the graphical ones.

The his-res package wasn't released due to criticisms, it was released the day the game was as well. They just didn't add it to disk so (I am guessing) that they could produce the discs faster. Unfortately, the sales rates doesn't seem to justify that. These packages are ALWAYS for PC, never for consoles. Console games, when released, are final builds, other than fixing stutters or bugs, when it comes to what graphics it offers on that platform. Consoles are limited as the hardware remains the same for each gen.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 28 mars 2011 - 08:23 .