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[DominantDjDark]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Travie wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

Travie wrote...

The graphics look mediocre because they didn't put the time in to make them good.

The hi-res texture pack they offer does pretty good. You can also download a texture mod from DA nexus that really improves the looks:

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

The high texture pack (which they made at the last minute to respond to criticism that the game didn't look as good as other games coming out this year) did improve some textures like armor BUT:

1. Its only for PC so console players are out of luck.

2. It shines a light even brighter on the low-res textures they did not fix/put effort into.


Its always good when companies respond to criticism, and they deserve praise for that. It does not, however, fix the fundamental problems with this game... even the graphical ones.

The his-res package wasn't released due to critisims, it was rleased the day the game was as well. They jsut didn't add it to disk so (I am guess) that they could produce the discs faster. Unfortately, the sales rates doesn't seem to justify that. These packages are ALWAYS for PC, never for consoles. Console games, when released, are final builds, other than fixing stutters or bugs, when it comes to what graphics it offers on that platform. Consle are limited as the hardware remains the same for each gen.

hmm, about the fact that you can't get the pack on consoles isn't really an issue with me, i've come to terms with graphics and learned since I was 4 that they are irrelevant to the bigger picture, so to speak....in my mind, so long as the game has good gameplay it's fine, if I was worried about graphics I'd only play my bros pc and his games, everyone knows that graphics on the pc are better than consoles due to the fact that pcs run on 1080p whilst the xbox 360 and such run on 720p..

the graphics aren't too bad on Da2 anyhow and the game itself is great so that works rather nicely considering some of the graphics I've seen on other xbox 360 games in the past year..Stay safe! 

[orbit991]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Travie wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

Travie wrote...

The graphics look mediocre because they didn't put the time in to make them good.

The hi-res texture pack they offer does pretty good. You can also download a texture mod from DA nexus that really improves the looks:

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

The high texture pack (which they made at the last minute to respond to criticism that the game didn't look as good as other games coming out this year) did improve some textures like armor BUT:

1. Its only for PC so console players are out of luck.

2. It shines a light even brighter on the low-res textures they did not fix/put effort into.


Its always good when companies respond to criticism, and they deserve praise for that. It does not, however, fix the fundamental problems with this game... even the graphical ones.

The his-res package wasn't released due to criticisms, it was released the day the game was as well. They just didn't add it to disk so (I am guessing) that they could produce the discs faster. Unfortately, the sales rates doesn't seem to justify that. These packages are ALWAYS for PC, never for consoles. Console games, when released, are final builds, other than fixing stutters or bugs, when it comes to what graphics it offers on that platform. Consoles are limited as the hardware remains the same for each gen.

Yes they said they didnt have the time to finish the high res textures before EA wanted the game to go gold.

[Grey21]

Even the 360 version looks better then most of those pictures (not all mind you, but certainly the distance shots are better on the 360). I'm not sure what your point is TC, the graphic style is bland indeed but that has nothing to do with the quality of the graphics. I found that the game's graphics looked a lot better then DA:O.

But I'd rather have DA:O's graphics if that means I could get its superior style back. It was simple and down to earth but I liked it, it fitted the setting. The new over the top city and the over the top weapons are just stupid. DA as a franchise is almost dead to me now, certainly not looking forward to part 3.

[CRISIS1717]

The graphics and textures look like something from a 2005 game. It's solid proof that this game was rushed.

The game looks ugly and bare. Even if it is stylised it doesn't explain the lack of detail, the bad textures and the very few objects in the cityscape.

[KalDurenik]

The game had a "graphic" increase but the art direction took a dive into the depths of the void.
Now the graphics are not a that huge improvement over DAO and the Art direction suck.

Oh well.

[simonc4175]

 Go and play another RPG then.

The graphics look fine on my PC.

[Hurrrr]

Had no problem with the graphics quality myself. Though I doubt my comp could deal with much

Have to say, the world still looks a tad bland though.

[theangryllama]

Travie wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

Travie wrote...

The graphics look mediocre because they didn't put the time in to make them good.

The hi-res texture pack they offer does pretty good. You can also download a texture mod from DA nexus that really improves the looks:

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

The high texture pack (which they made at the last minute to respond to criticism that the game didn't look as good as other games coming out this year) did improve some textures like armor BUT:

1. Its only for PC so console players are out of luck.

2. It shines a light even brighter on the low-res textures they did not fix/put effort into.


Its always good when companies respond to criticism, and they deserve praise for that. It does not, however, fix the fundamental problems with this game... even the graphical ones.

Honestly until microsoft is allowed to develop a console with blu-ray its really the best your going to get. In todays society it really is the lowest common denominator that a game must be designed to (assuming the majority of gamers have decent systems). Console users get screwed because a cross platform game must play on that and you don't get a graphics settings option (which is what they remedied slightly in the high res packs).

I'm sure theres all sorts of legal issues and business deals etc to go into it otherwise they would have done it already but i wish they would hurry up. I don't own an XBOX and never will (purely because its microsoft... they'll release anything good on PC to for more money) but i guarentee the quality of games for every platform will rise if/when they do. I mean just find yourself a PS3 only game and compare it to a cross platform game... hell you can even get yourself a dvd and watch it comparitively to a bluray and you can see the quality can easily be done but if they want the most money they have to make it play on the lower end of the spectrum.

[Hurrrr]

theangryllama wrote...

Travie wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

Travie wrote...

The graphics look mediocre because they didn't put the time in to make them good.

The hi-res texture pack they offer does pretty good. You can also download a texture mod from DA nexus that really improves the looks:

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

The high texture pack (which they made at the last minute to respond to criticism that the game didn't look as good as other games coming out this year) did improve some textures like armor BUT:

1. Its only for PC so console players are out of luck.

2. It shines a light even brighter on the low-res textures they did not fix/put effort into.


Its always good when companies respond to criticism, and they deserve praise for that. It does not, however, fix the fundamental problems with this game... even the graphical ones.

Honestly until microsoft is allowed to develop a console with blu-ray its really the best your going to get. In todays society it really is the lowest common denominator that a game must be designed to (assuming the majority of gamers have decent systems). Console users get screwed because a cross platform game must play on that and you don't get a graphics settings option (which is what they remedied slightly in the high res packs).

I'm sure theres all sorts of legal issues and business deals etc to go into it otherwise they would have done it already but i wish they would hurry up. I don't own an XBOX and never will (purely because its microsoft... they'll release anything good on PC to for more money) but i guarentee the quality of games for every platform will rise if/when they do. I mean just find yourself a PS3 only game and compare it to a cross platform game... hell you can even get yourself a dvd and watch it comparitively to a bluray and you can see the quality can easily be done but if they want the most money they have to make it play on the lower end of the spectrum.

Yup, well, may just bite the bullet and buy one. Only issue with consoles is I hate playing fps with that kiddie mode auto-aim crap they need. Feels pointless after youve spent a decade on cs1.6 with a mouse and keyboard :/

[Crash_7]

wulfsturm wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Really. So give 5 examples. That's pretty generous for a "long shot."

Oh wait, nevermind, this is your typical posting behavior so I don't expect a response.

Since you only gave one example, I'll give you two: Crysis and Crysis 2.

Isn't ad hominem great?

Not Crysis 2. No no no!  Crysis tortured my PC: Crysis 2 tickles it.

[Trogloditius]

Anyone defending the graphics needs a reality check on games post 1999. One reason the demo confirmed I wasn't gonna buy the game was the very first rendered shot (on 360)....

I can't really be bothered to take a pic and post it, but the game starts with a cutscene that is focused on a wooden lantern holder or something and it looks like a texture ripped from Ocarina of Time. An 8x8 ultra blurry lump of wood stretched across my 46" TV lookig like the worst kind of brown stain. Great start, guys!

Right then, I knew nobody had taken the time to take pride in the production of this game, and, as per my hunch, it went downhill from there.

Everything was simplified to get the required FPS lock to make it an action game. Polygon count on models, texture maps, landscapes... all are lower quality than Origins because it needed to run faster. You can try to rationalize it as a "change in artistic direction" all you like, but fact is the technical requirements demanded that change. (Which was itself a direction dictated by other choices, etc etc..)

Did anyone play Bayonetta? That's what action games look like, and the speed they should run at these days.

[aftohsix]

BiowarEA wrote...


Now of course a lot of the fanboys and twilight wannabe brigade is going to scream up about that the game is stylised and in some cases that is a fair point. The only issue is that stylised dose not mean ugly.


 

From that line on any opinion you had became invalid and I stopped paying attention.  Is Dragon Age 2 the BEST LOOKING GAME OF THIS GENERATION?  No.  Is it ugly?  No.  It's somewhere in between like most games.

If you think Origins is prettier though you should stop hitting the crack pipe.

EDIT:  Also graphics does not a game make.

Modifié par aftohsix, 28 mars 2011 - 03:38 .

[Gel214th]

Wow. I love the graphics.
I actually thought the characters' faces conveyed a lot more emotion than previous Dragon Age 2 titles.

I have some screenshots of the game, and scenery such as the Bone Pit that I thought was stunning!

[0x30A88]

wulfsturm wrote...

astrallite wrote...
Metro 2033 is considereed the most demanding game today...until DA2

What? No it's not, not by a long shot.

It's like Crysis 1 -- unoptimized. You need way more than is actually neccesary if th e engine was better optimized.

To contribute to the topic, I didn't like the trees in Sundermount, come on, even Origins did better. Some of the weapons just looked horrible and Origins' staffs did not fit well among the new ones. The armors on the other hand, looked mostly great.

Modifié par Gisle Aune, 28 mars 2011 - 03:58 .

[LadyWench]

I've thought about this topic quite a bit since I've been playing, too.

No, I wasn't expecting Bioware to be on the cutting edge of graphics innovation, as some critics seem to have wanted. I've always been a fan of their games because the graphics are at least decent, but the story, characters and overall organization were engaging. I tend to agree that they have to find a middle-ground compromise for computer-users, though Origins had many rich and varied environments (again, it's not like the pixelated leaves on the trees were realistic-looking, but at least the backgrounds were rich and pretty, kind of like pencil or watercolor illustrations from a distance).

With DA2, they are obviously going for a more streamlined and gothic look, which in a way fits with the feel of a place as desolate as Kirkwall. The problem is that it was scaled too far back. Maybe with Origins I got a little spoiled--every menu was setup to look like the page from an aged book, the style of text and color choices fit the world--a lot of work obviously went into making every little detail resonate with that time and place, introducing the player to Ferelden and Thedas. No doubt the facial animation in DA2 is impressive. And than goodness for the high-res pack, since seeing those detailed faces over super blurry collars was a little distracting! But the overall landscape is annoyingly nekkid and repetitive, the angling for FPS-style is felt most obviously by the players who go to RPGs like Dragon Age to NOT play shoot-'em-ups (I won't even get into the changes in tactics, gameplay, and enemy spawning here since that is another forum topic for another time, LOL), and that immersion experience in lacking.

In the end, it feels like it was made with a little less affection and rushed with a little more profit in mind, and that's just sad.

[Night Prowler76]

Baelyn wrote...

BiowarEA wrote...

There is no photoshopping at all my friend..you can check the link addresses if you so wish.

Those are either from very old builds or...well I don't even know. But as I said my Dragon Age 2 looks infinitely better than those and I am only running it on Medium with no high res texture pack.

On the consoles, it looks exactly like the pictures, if your on PC then they will look better, but the main core audience (console crowd), this is what the game looks like.

[Phonantiphon]

Is it an ugly looking game?
Personally I thought it was actually better looking than DAO and that was great.

[Romantiq]

I found the graphics to be quite fine but the amount of detail is absolutely horrible. It just looks very dreary  and uninteresting. A terrible mistake to make if plan to make a story is a single city.

Modifié par Romantiq, 28 mars 2011 - 04:17 .

[Wyndham711]

The game's artstyle felt disjointed and bland. And the tecnical side of the game is lacking severely, especially in terms of failed texturework and an absurd lack of detail.

When they talked about their inspirations - all those fascinating paintings and samurai movies and all that - beforehand I was willing to believe they really had some cool new vision for the game aesthetically. In the end it was all talk, and what I got was the most visually displeasing/scrambling RPG I have pleayed in a very long time.

[Romantiq]

astrallite wrote...



Performance is also legendary.

Metro 2033 is considereed the most demanding game today...until DA2

I agree. Metro 2033 puts very good gpus to work. Crysis 1 wasn't optimized well. Crysis 2 just has a lot of motion blur to it

Modifié par Romantiq, 28 mars 2011 - 04:29 .

[City6]

There's one major reason the DA looks as drab as it does: beige.

If you're going to have such a monotonous colour toning, you need to have a landscape of striking shapes and unique landscape silhouettes. Think film noir, where everything is black and blue. It works so well because of the care placed into the texture and silhouette, so colour becomes secondary.

The DA art director has inexplicably chosen both monotonous beige *and* so-so rent-a-set backgrounds.

Modifié par City6, 28 mars 2011 - 04:29 .

[Ixalmaris]

The problem is not so much how the graphic looks, but more of what the graphics shows.

No better how good the textures are a bland, one coloured city simply does not look good.

[xxVeritas]

I am playing such an ugly game.

Just.. just look at it.



Terrible.

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[DominantDjDark]

xxVeritas wrote...

I am playing such an ugly game.

Just.. just look at it.



Terrible.

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Indeed, Isn't it just so terrible! with the....Terribleness...and the...epic horrificness

Modifié par DominantDjDark, 29 mars 2011 - 03:38 .

[DomiiMai]

DominantDjDark wrote...

xxVeritas wrote...

I am playing such an ugly game.

Just.. just look at it.



Terrible.

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Indeed, Isn't it just so terrible! with the....Terribleness...and the...epic horrificness

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