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[Herr Uhl]

Beerfish wrote...

Mother Petrice should be given a medal for trying to do all that was necessary to bring about a good outcome out of a bad situation. While the Elthina stood there closing her eyes to the things all around her Patrice tried to take action for the greater good.

Which led to death of the viscount and many more. Which was pretty much what she wanted to happen.

Good job Petrice.

[Emperor Iaius I]

I. The Maker - obviously
II. Andraste - also goes without saying
III. The Arishok - the only good qunari . . .
IV. Marethari - turned the entire clan against Merrill
V. Alric - rapist scum
VI. Petrice - short-sighted harpy
VII. Meredith - Persecutress
VIII. Isabela - selfish harlot
IX. Fenris - traitor

[Beerfish]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Mother Petrice should be given a medal for trying to do all that was necessary to bring about a good outcome out of a bad situation. While the Elthina stood there closing her eyes to the things all around her Patrice tried to take action for the greater good.

Which led to death of the viscount and many more. Which was pretty much what she wanted to happen.

Good job Petrice.

She almost alone had the foresight to see that the Qunari and the Arishok were a big big problem that sooner or later was going to explode.  She saw them for what they were and despite the chantry, templars, Viscount and everyone else standing around with their thumbs up their rumps trying to pacify them she took action.  Blaming her that the Arishok went off the deep end and went on a killing spree is speeding up the inevitable at the least. 

[RevanchistStenn]

If she spent a quarter of that energy looking for their artifact, she'd have gotten ridden all of them without consequence.

[Saboteur-6]

RevanchistStenn wrote...

If she spent a quarter of that energy looking for their artifact, she'd have gotten ridden all of them without consequence.

Exactly. Lets not forget she was willing to sacrifice the life of some innocent albeit low-status citizen/immigrant in Lowtown in order to falsify and spread this lie about the Qunari.

Seriously, you want someone who can morally justify actions such as these in a prominent RELIGIOUS and SPIRITUAL position. **** that.

[Beerfish]

RevanchistStenn wrote...

If she spent a quarter of that energy looking for their artifact, she'd have gotten ridden all of them without consequence.

LOL, so now she is to blame for that as well?  How about if the idiotic hundreds of Qunari acutally walk outside their compound and look for an artifact that some low level hood had in his possession all the time and some lone thief was able to find out about in fairly short order?

The qunari got outsmarted by one lousy theif and lost their book.
The qunari came to Kirkwall of their own free will and lied of their intentions.
The qunari totally and outright failed to find a book that was almost under their noses.
The qunari got pissed off and attacked the city and killed the Viscount.
If day one when they landed they tell the templars the chantry and the viscount why they are there and ask fo help to get back their precious artirfact they probably go home in about a month with their book.

Petrice was right about them on about every level.  Of course she used over the top tactics considering her station and place in the chantry but she tried a heck of alot more to avoid a disaster and save the city than all the other powers that be did.

Modifié par Beerfish, 28 mars 2011 - 06:29 .

[Beerfish]

Vech24 wrote...

RevanchistStenn wrote...

If she spent a quarter of that energy looking for their artifact, she'd have gotten ridden all of them without consequence.

Exactly. Lets not forget she was willing to sacrifice the life of some innocent albeit low-status citizen/immigrant in Lowtown in order to falsify and spread this lie about the Qunari.

Seriously, you want someone who can morally justify actions such as these in a prominent RELIGIOUS and SPIRITUAL position. **** that.

Religious positions have been highly politicalized in history as it should be considering the power the Chantry has.  Yup she was willing to go pretty far to do what she thought was right and that included what you stated above.  Instead she failed and the Qunari killed a whole crap load of people all over the city and if not for the Hawke and his elite compansions they might have wiped out a good deal more of the city.

[Camenae]

Mother Petrice was certainly not a good person, but to be perfectly fair to her, she didn't know the Qunari were there for the book. Nobody knew because the Arishok thought this was a SUPER DUPER secret for whatever reason and didn't think Kirkwall with all their Chantry stuff would understand "we are here for our Bible."

[Jorrkit]

I'm probably in the severe minority here, but I got pretty annoyed with Cullen sometimes. His whole schtick about how you "cannot treat mages like people" made me want to punch him.

[Camenae]

I love Cullen but I do agree with you on that point, Jorrkit. If he had a PR manager or a lawyer, they'd be facepalming when that comment went into the transcript. I like to think he meant "can't treat them like regular ie non-magical people"

[Silentmode]

1. Fenris
2. Quentin
3. Fenris
4. Petrice
5. Fenris
6. The Ogre that kills one of your siblings.
7. Fenris
8. Bartrand
9. Fenris

[ReallyRue]

Quentin, Petrice, Alrik, Kelder, Varnell, Averaad (the Qunari mage-handler). And the Orlesian former-apprentice of Quentin (what's his name?).

I also thoroughly dislike Meredith and Orsino. They are both barking mad and horrible.

[Mr.House]

1: Mother Petrice
2: Grace
3: Ser Alrik
4: Quentin
5: Thrask
6: Kelder
7: Gascard
8: Fenris
9: Ser Varnell
10: Brekker

[RevanchistStenn]

Beerfish wrote...

RevanchistStenn wrote...

If she spent a quarter of that energy looking for their artifact, she'd have gotten ridden all of them without consequence.

LOL, so now she is to blame for that as well?  How about if the idiotic hundreds of Qunari acutally walk outside their compound and look for an artifact that some low level hood had in his possession all the time and some lone thief was able to find out about in fairly short order?

The qunari got outsmarted by one lousy theif and lost their book.
The qunari came to Kirkwall of their own free will and lied of their intentions.
The qunari totally and outright failed to find a book that was almost under their noses.
The qunari got pissed off and attacked the city and killed the Viscount.
If day one when they landed they tell the templars the chantry and the viscount why they are there and ask fo help to get back their precious artirfact they probably go home in about a month with their book.

Petrice was right about them on about every level.  Of course she used over the top tactics considering her station and place in the chantry but she tried a heck of alot more to avoid a disaster and save the city than all the other powers that be did.

Using the logic of "they deserved to be framed, goaded and massacred because they're dumb" is specious at best. Every ideology has a right to exist. The Qunari are no different, and for years, even though the Qunari way explicitly states convert or kill, and the lead general of the army that converts and/or kills was present, they did nothing. After an impotent Viscount allowed his followers to be tortured, mutilated and killed countless times, yeah, the Qunari are going to do something. What Petrice was "right" about is that if you spend years pushing ANY military body, they will eventually respond. If Petrice and agitators like her had never been present, the crisis very well may have never happened. Remember of all groups, government, Chantry and Qunari, the Qunari are the ONLY ones who behaved. To pretend that any leader in the same position wouldn't have responded even sooner than the YEARS it took them to is patently absurd. Petrice had no interest in peace. She's a racist, plain and simple, and her aim was to have another race annihilated for not bowing to her specific religion.

[RevanchistStenn]

Camenae wrote...

Mother Petrice was certainly not a good person, but to be perfectly fair to her, she didn't know the Qunari were there for the book. Nobody knew because the Arishok thought this was a SUPER DUPER secret for whatever reason and didn't think Kirkwall with all their Chantry stuff would understand "we are here for our Bible."

Yes, because we can trust a rival religion to be respectful of another religion's culture and sacred artifacts. Just as it's not their fault they were robbed,  it's also no mark against them that they didn't run and tell every self-serving power group that there's a MacGuffin that they are beholden to.

[WaterGem]

I agree with most of the non-companion characters listed, but I have to say I really dislike Merrill. I mean, really....are you THAT stupid? Marethari and your clan just loved you and wanted to protect you and you were so blind and ignorant that you didn't trust them. And to make it worse, you're a scummy blood mage! I really wish I could just tell her to gtfo.

[DoNotIngest]

I don't like the guy at the docks who won't give you your damn cargo slip, even with a knife at his throat. At least one of the other routes is to do the whole "Fire!" routine with Merrill and the guards.

And Fenris.

[Beerfish]

RevanchistStenn wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

RevanchistStenn wrote...

If she spent a quarter of that energy looking for their artifact, she'd have gotten ridden all of them without consequence.

LOL, so now she is to blame for that as well?  How about if the idiotic hundreds of Qunari acutally walk outside their compound and look for an artifact that some low level hood had in his possession all the time and some lone thief was able to find out about in fairly short order?

The qunari got outsmarted by one lousy theif and lost their book.
The qunari came to Kirkwall of their own free will and lied of their intentions.
The qunari totally and outright failed to find a book that was almost under their noses.
The qunari got pissed off and attacked the city and killed the Viscount.
If day one when they landed they tell the templars the chantry and the viscount why they are there and ask fo help to get back their precious artirfact they probably go home in about a month with their book.

Petrice was right about them on about every level.  Of course she used over the top tactics considering her station and place in the chantry but she tried a heck of alot more to avoid a disaster and save the city than all the other powers that be did.

Using the logic of "they deserved to be framed, goaded and massacred because they're dumb" is specious at best. Every ideology has a right to exist. The Qunari are no different, and for years, even though the Qunari way explicitly states convert or kill, and the lead general of the army that converts and/or kills was present, they did nothing. After an impotent Viscount allowed his followers to be tortured, mutilated and killed countless times, yeah, the Qunari are going to do something. What Petrice was "right" about is that if you spend years pushing ANY military body, they will eventually respond. If Petrice and agitators like her had never been present, the crisis very well may have never happened. Remember of all groups, government, Chantry and Qunari, the Qunari are the ONLY ones who behaved. To pretend that any leader in the same position wouldn't have responded even sooner than the YEARS it took them to is patently absurd. Petrice had no interest in peace. She's a racist, plain and simple, and her aim was to have another race annihilated for not bowing to her specific religion.

She is a racist?  No moreso than the Qunari.  As per usual the Qunari want if both ways, don't do as we do do as we say.  The Arishok was going batty by being in Kirkwall not because some of his fellow Qunari got bumped off.  Heck he doesn't seem to care at all about some of the ones that that have fled his flock are killed.

You didn't touch on any of the other points I made in my post.  There is zero reason to suggest the Qunari were ever going to find their book by their actions up until that point.  The Arishok doesn't rage as much about his fallen compadres as he does about how crappy of a place that Kirkwall is in general.  As you point out they were a miltiary prescence occupying a part of Kirkwall and things were going to come to a head sooner or later.

Petrice saw this threat and acted on it when she saw no movement in diplomacy.  The Qunari were the authors of their own demise by being dishonest and totally imcompetant in the 1st place. 

[Jorrkit]

DoNotIngest wrote...

I don't like the guy at the docks who won't give you your damn cargo slip, even with a knife at his throat.

LOL, yeah, **** that guy! 

[DoNotIngest]

Jorrkit wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

I don't like the guy at the docks who won't give you your damn cargo slip, even with a knife at his throat.

LOL, yeah, **** that guy! 

It felt like every fast food restaurant clerk I've ever met.

[Beerfish]

RevanchistStenn wrote...

Camenae wrote...

Mother Petrice was certainly not a good person, but to be perfectly fair to her, she didn't know the Qunari were there for the book. Nobody knew because the Arishok thought this was a SUPER DUPER secret for whatever reason and didn't think Kirkwall with all their Chantry stuff would understand "we are here for our Bible."

Yes, because we can trust a rival religion to be respectful of another religion's culture and sacred artifacts. Just as it's not their fault they were robbed,  it's also no mark against them that they didn't run and tell every self-serving power group that there's a MacGuffin that they are beholden to.

Yeah they thought it better to occupy a part of a foreign land, lie through thier teeth about the reasons, do a really terrible job of actually getting back their artifact and then attack the city they are in and kill their leader because they utterly failed in their quest. 

[Camenae]

RevanchistStenn wrote...

Camenae wrote...

Mother Petrice was certainly not a good person, but to be perfectly fair to her, she didn't know the Qunari were there for the book. Nobody knew because the Arishok thought this was a SUPER DUPER secret for whatever reason and didn't think Kirkwall with all their Chantry stuff would understand "we are here for our Bible."

Yes, because we can trust a rival religion to be respectful of another religion's culture and sacred artifacts. Just as it's not their fault they were robbed,  it's also no mark against them that they didn't run and tell every self-serving power group that there's a MacGuffin that they are beholden to.

I think the Viscount showed the Qunari plenty of respect already, doing his best to keep the fanatics off their backs and in the first place giving them a base inside Kirkwall for a strong, disciplined military force WHOSE INTENTS ARE UTTERLY UNKNOWN.

Also whatever the Arishok's motives are for being all secretive, it doesn't change the fact that Petrice didn't know the Qunari had a good reason for being there.  Can you deny that if you don't tell someone your reasons then chances are that they don't know your reasons?  I said what I said in response to an earlier poster who said that Petrice should have devoted her zealous efforts to finding the book instead or something.  So I'm saying she can't do that because she DIDN'T KNOW.

[Esther]

Mother Petrice
Carver
Gamlen
Arishok
Brekker
Meredith
Emile de Launcet
Madame Lusine
Aden

[Sherbet Lemon]

Most of the character's I either love or am indifferent to as I try not to get bent out shape about it, but there are a few characters that I really, really, loathe.  I won't say hate though, but yeah...

1. Quentin - Evil

2.  DuPuis - Disgusting

3. Danarius - Wretched, wretched man. 

4.  Kelder's Father - No sympathy at all for this man.  He is WORSE than Kelder in my eyes.  At least Kelder is insane.  His father is just abusing power.

5. Huron - Murdering your wife is bad, bad, bad.  Domestic violence is SO not endearing.

6.  That rapist Templar - Horrid, horrid man.

*Orsino should get an honorable mention here because I can't stand the
fact that he KNEW and did nothing.  Ugh.  By keeping that secret, he
undermined every good thing he tried to do in my eyes.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 28 mars 2011 - 08:14 .

[Kotetsimaru]

When it comes to Petrice, I like to think the grand cleric knew that the Qunari archer was there. Hence why she just walked off leaving petrice standing there with a wtf? look on her face.

As for the book, it's stated the Qunari didn't mention that is what they were looking for because it was obvious the chantry (or the bad elements in there) would destroy it. As they only believe the chant of light to be the one true religion and everything else is heresy and should therefore should be destroyed/converted.

Modifié par Kotetsimaru, 28 mars 2011 - 08:26 .