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and any female elf that wears that ridiculous bathing suit-undergarment thing that someone thought was good enough to actually put in the game.
Really? :P

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1. Grace: I mean, really. I save the b*tch and she kidnaps/tries to execute my sister in thanks.
2. Petrice: Never should've helped her in the back alley.
3. Bartrand: Back-stabbing little c**kbite.
4. Justice: You ruined my favorite character from Awakening!
5. Cullen: Oh quit being a tosser. A mage has directly saved your ass 3 times by my count.
6. Ferelden Warden: Psssh, choosing Chancellor instead of freeing the Ferelden Mage Circle. What a selfish brat.  :whistle:
 

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1) Petrice-obvious
2) Grace-damned if I do, damned if I don't
3) Gamlen-even when I'm nice to him he hates me
4) Bartrand-BARTRAND!!!
5) Isabela-I'm not going to help you make things worse, so go away sooner
6) The Arishok-stop talking so slow or Imma have to ESC through your complaining
7) Anyone with an Orlesian accent-it always sounds fake
8) Bodahn-I know I have letters b/c the map told me, now clean the fireplace!
9) Javaris-is dog-lord supposed to be offensive?
10) Orsino-you preach against the templar response to blood magic..b/c you practice it

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She is a racist?  No moreso than the Qunari.  As per usual the Qunari want if both ways, don't do as we do do as we say.  The Arishok was going batty by being in Kirkwall not because some of his fellow Qunari got bumped off.  Heck he doesn't seem to care at all about some of the ones that that have fled his flock are killed.

You didn't touch on any of the other points I made in my post.  There is zero reason to suggest the Qunari were ever going to find their book by their actions up until that point.  The Arishok doesn't rage as much about his fallen compadres as he does about how crappy of a place that Kirkwall is in general.  As you point out they were a miltiary prescence occupying a part of Kirkwall and things were going to come to a head sooner or later.

Petrice saw this threat and acted on it when she saw no movement in diplomacy.  The Qunari were the authors of their own demise by being dishonest and totally imcompetant in the 1st place. 


If the Qunari are racist, why is everyone given a chance to convert? I think you need to look up what racism is. The Tal-Vashoth have been around since DA:O and are always regarded the same by the Qunari - worthless trash. They don't worry about it because the latter group's defection is not perceived as a slight against the Qun, but against their own souls. They treat it with the same regard as you would a spouse that divorced you to touch children inappropriately.

You are given no window into the efforts the Qunari do or don't make to find the book because it's not your affair. You can't make any more assumptions about it than anyone else can. Actually, that's not true since they are regularly patrolling the coast (given the quests there). Clearly they are making an effort. The Arishok's irritation all stems from the same thing: a filthy culture robbed his, and he must endure them until he gets what belongs to his people back. The Arishok is the first one to point out that they could have levelled the city at any time; if you think the Qunari Compound was not a gift to Kirkwall rather than the other way around, then even the viscount know the Qunari better than you do.

Petrice's involvement with the Qunari was fueled by racism from the start. Anyone who has been exposed to a racist can read it clearly. She'll use any excuse to justify her actions that she can, but her end goal is not to protect anyone. Petrice would love it if the Qunari killed ALL of Kirkwall, because there'd be a response. I can't believe you heard as much of Petrice talking as you had to to complete the game and don't understand what kind of person she is. She's a racist fascist, and she does what racist fascists do when they don't have an army that can directly confront what they deem as inferior. It's no one's business what the Qunari want unless they are an invading army. They aren't beholden to explain themselves to the viscount, the church, or any other group.

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Bodahn. Why do you get to live in my house for as long as you damn well please, and I don't even get a say? And I can't even sell stuff to you so you're completely useless.

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Camenae wrote...

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Camenae wrote...

Mother Petrice was certainly not a good person, but to be perfectly fair to her, she didn't know the Qunari were there for the book. Nobody knew because the Arishok thought this was a SUPER DUPER secret for whatever reason and didn't think Kirkwall with all their Chantry stuff would understand "we are here for our Bible."

Yes, because we can trust a rival religion to be respectful of another religion's culture and sacred artifacts. Just as it's not their fault they were robbed,  it's also no mark against them that they didn't run and tell every self-serving power group that there's a MacGuffin that they are beholden to.


I think the Viscount showed the Qunari plenty of respect already, doing his best to keep the fanatics off their backs and in the first place giving them a base inside Kirkwall for a strong, disciplined military force WHOSE INTENTS ARE UTTERLY UNKNOWN.

Also whatever the Arishok's motives are for being all secretive, it doesn't change the fact that Petrice didn't know the Qunari had a good reason for being there.  Can you deny that if you don't tell someone your reasons then chances are that they don't know your reasons?  I said what I said in response to an earlier poster who said that Petrice should have devoted her zealous efforts to finding the book instead or something.  So I'm saying she can't do that because she DIDN'T KNOW.

It's true that it's not her responsibility to placate the Qunari. It's equally true that it's not her responsibility to provoke them. The Qunari have zero reason to trust anyone with their artifact. That was proven when it was stolen.

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If the Qunari are racist, why is everyone given a chance to convert? I think you need to look up what racism is. The Tal-Vashoth have been around since DA:O and are always regarded the same by the Qunari - worthless trash. They don't worry about it because the latter group's defection is not perceived as a slight against the Qun, but against their own souls. They treat it with the same regard as you would a spouse that divorced you to touch children inappropriately.

They always have a very good reason for hating or despising others because their way is the 'right' way.  They come right out and call down the elves and the viscounts son essentially as being lessers even though they accpet them into their teachings.  It would be ineresting to see if a human could in fact be the leader of the Qunari, would that go over well?  They skirt the issued of racisim by hding behind other things.

You are given no window into the efforts the Qunari do or don't make to find the book because it's not your affair. You can't make any more assumptions about it than anyone else can. Actually, that's not true since they are regularly patrolling the coast (given the quests there). Clearly they are making an effort. The Arishok's irritation all stems from the same thing: a filthy culture robbed his, and he must endure them until he gets what belongs to his people back. The Arishok is the first one to point out that they could have levelled the city at any time; if you think the Qunari Compound was not a gift to Kirkwall rather than the other way around, then even the viscount know the Qunari better than you do.

How magnanmous of them to say, we could have levelled the city at any time, especially when that is just usual bluster.  They got their assess kicked when they tried to do it.  One can only come to one of two conclussions, etiher they never tried hard enough to find their book or they were massively incompetant in trying. 

Petrice's involvement with the Qunari was fueled by racism from the start. Anyone who has been exposed to a racist can read it clearly. She'll use any excuse to justify her actions that she can, but her end goal is not to protect anyone. Petrice would love it if the Qunari killed ALL of Kirkwall, because there'd be a response. I can't believe you heard as much of Petrice talking as you had to to complete the game and don't understand what kind of person she is. She's a racist fascist, and she does what racist fascists do when they don't have an army that can directly confront what they deem as inferior. It's no one's business what the Qunari want unless they are an invading army. They aren't beholden to explain themselves to the viscount, the church, or any other group.

Her involvement was fuelled by her thinking they were heretics and dangerous both of which were true.  If a Chantry group put ashore in Par Vollen and started trying to convert qunari away from the Qun how do you think that would go over?  I'd say her concerns were born out by the eventual attack by the Qunari and oh little things like letting someone get ahold of a bunch of poison gas and then telling Hawke it was up to him to stop thousands from dying.

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Beerfish wrote...
They always have a very good reason for hating or despising others because their way is the 'right' way.  They come right out and call down the elves and the viscounts son essentially as being lessers even though they accpet them into their teachings.  It would be ineresting to see if a human could in fact be the leader of the Qunari, would that go over well?  They skirt the issued of racisim by hding behind other things.



Seamus is never referred to as a lesser. He's referred to as "our own." Which is equality. The Qunari are determinist, but that determinism has nothing to do with your race. Of course their ideology has limitations but not the ones you are ascribing to them to assist your argument.


How magnanmous of them to say, we could have levelled the city at any time, especially when that is just usual bluster.  They got their assess kicked when they tried to do it.  One can only come to one of two conclussions, etiher they never tried hard enough to find their book or they were massively incompetant in trying. 


If it was bluster and the Qunari weren't capable, how did they kill the highest elected official and take control of the entire city? If it wasn't a video game and Hawke wasn't magically capable of cleaving through their ranks, that would be a Qunari city. I'm not sure how it's fair to say that because they were stolen from by an expert thief that they are incompetent. I guess armies are supposed to excel at thief tracking? If someone broke into your house and stole something while you were at work, would that make you incompetent? Thieves and hiding go hand in hand.


Her involvement was fuelled by her thinking they were heretics and dangerous both of which were true.  If a Chantry group put ashore in Par Vollen and started trying to convert qunari away from the Qun how do you think that would go over?  I'd say her concerns were born out by the eventual attack by the Qunari and oh little things like letting someone get ahold of a bunch of poison gas and then telling Hawke it was up to him to stop thousands from dying.


The Arishok was the first to say that he didn't reach out. People came to HIM to be converted. You can say many things about the shortcomings of the Qunari in how they approach other ideologies, but you can't accuse them of being underhanded or prosetylizing, both of which the Chantry is guilty of. You're trying to fashion a reasonable argument out of a racist's actions. You'd be much better suited making your point with the Grand Cleric, but then she obviously saw the wisdom in not provoking an army or hating a group/religion for being different. Again, if someone broke into your house, stole your gun and then went on a killing spree with it, is it your responsibility to retrieve the weapon? You can't pretend like the Qunari did something wrong in allowing something to be stolen, because for something to BE stolen requires someone to break the moral/legal code. Why SHOULD they stop that? The worst they could do is kill themselves with it. If they did prevent it, people like Petrice would point and go, "look at the innocent people the Qunari just murdered." To beat a now-overused metaphor to death, how much sympathy would you have for someone who stole a weapon from you and then killed himself with it? It's not the job of the Qunari to stop the political machinations of a rival religion. Because doing so would be crushing the Chantry. You obviously dislike the group for being different than what you personally believe, but you have no perspective of how you have put them into a corner wherein nothing they do is right. Every group protects their own interests. That is and will always be true. The Qunari could have torched Kirkwall for providing shelter to the thief who stole one of their precious relics. They could have razed the Chantry for being heretical, they could have wiped out the viscount and the entire city guard at will. What they did do was behave, and for all the awful treatment they get, and all the talk about how awful and morally repugnant they are, they took 1000 times the provocation that ANY other religion, institution or group of people would endure before fighting back. An army doesn't need to be polite. If the Qunari wanted the Free Marches, they'd have it. They were pushed to their limit, and that's due to the efforts of people like Petrice.

Modifié par RevanchistStenn, 28 mars 2011 - 09:55 .


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I don't like the guy at the docks who won't give you your damn cargo slip, even with a knife at his throat.


If you have a reputation as someone who's done that sort of thing before (i.e., threatening, murdering people because you don't really like them), then he takes your threat seriously and gives you what you're looking for.

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The problem I have with the Arishok is...you are a guest. And an unwanted guest. Have some respect. Yeah I get why you came here, but Isabela doesn't represent Kirkwall because she isn't even from Kirkwall.

If someone stole something important to me and then ran away to hide in your house, I come knocking on your door with my posse and I say, hey I need to camp in your living room for gosh, I don't know how long. Would you let me in? Even if I refuse to tell you exactly why I need to camp in your house?

If after a while I started going like, "Hey you are raising your kids all wrong. You are a terrible parent WTF. Let me show you how it's done." Would you say anything to me other than "GTFO"?

And finally, if I decide that you are corrupt beyond all hope, and the only way to fix your problem is by killing everyone in your house, how would you react?

The Arishok and the Qunari are perfectly free to do whatever they want IN THEIR OWN TERRITORY. But when you're on somebody else's home turf, and that someone else has already been as diplomatic as anyone could expect them to be when THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOU'RE THERE, and the only reason they don't know is because YOU REFUSE TO TELL THEM, then you need to have some respect for the host.

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Might be hard to notice but I really hated Anders.Just before sticking him I whispered in his ear I found Sir Pounce Alot and feed him to my dog.

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I think it's amusing to think that an army's politeness should extend beyond not razing or conquering the city they're bivouacked in.

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PwnzerfaustMonk wrote...

Mother Petrice. Ten times.
I hate her and her "plot armor". You can threaten to kill her, what, two times before she actually dies? Why can't I just actually kill her? I mean, at one point it's just her and one (singular!) templar, and they're both alone, in a shack, in Lowtown, at night, with no one else around.

No one would ever know
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I agree stronly with this.

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3. Danarius - Wretched, wretched man. 


Eh? But he's so gracious and considerate. Once you hand him his waylaid property (as, you know, you do a thousand times over in various fetch quests), he writes you a letter inviting you to Minrathous and offering to personally give you a tour. None of the other fetch quest NPCs did that!

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RevanchistStenn wrote...

I think it's amusing to think that an army's politeness should extend beyond not razing or conquering the city they're bivouacked in.


Should their politeness extend beyond that?  Yes.  Well actually they should just stay the hell out, period.

Does their politeness extend beyond a temporary armistice?  Usually no.  Which is why most nations DO assume that foreign armies didn't come here to be polite, and just NEVER LET THEM IN in the first place.  But, the Viscount being stupid does not automatically ---> Arishok being justified. 

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Sarah1281 wrote...

MG800 wrote...

Mother Petrice.. yes, so easy to hate her - minor plotting wench, so troublesome. She's Anora, just not so intelligent and charming.

Even if you don't like Anora as well, she and Petrice only really have three things in common: They are blonde, they are females, and they have some degree of power. That's really not much of a comparison...


They're also both manipulative as hell. And I say that as someone who actually likes Anora.

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Emperor Iaius I wrote...

Village Idiot wrote...

3. Danarius - Wretched, wretched man. 


Eh? But he's so gracious and considerate. Once you hand him his waylaid property (as, you know, you do a thousand times over in various fetch quests), he writes you a letter inviting you to Minrathous and offering to personally give you a tour. None of the other fetch quest NPCs did that!


Of course he is...so very gracious and considerate for a sadistic slaver.  I should have been more polite to him, but unfortunately he is now a dead magister so I can't quite correct my "deplorable" behavior. ^_^

Seriously, though...Emperor Ialus I, you never fail in making me laugh.  You're a real gem,lol!<3

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I try.

Will you send flowers to his estate, along with a "sorry for the misunderstanding" card? It's the least you could do.

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Camenae wrote...

RevanchistStenn wrote...

I think it's amusing to think that an army's politeness should extend beyond not razing or conquering the city they're bivouacked in.


Should their politeness extend beyond that?  Yes.  Well actually they should just stay the hell out, period.

Does their politeness extend beyond a temporary armistice?  Usually no.  Which is why most nations DO assume that foreign armies didn't come here to be polite, and just NEVER LET THEM IN in the first place.  But, the Viscount being stupid does not automatically ---> Arishok being justified. 

What do you think would happen if the viscount said no?

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The same thing that happens at the end of Act II. Except, you know, it's easier to defend your city when your enemies are outside than if they were already inside.

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Also, minus The Hero Who Averts Total Crisis.

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Bit random, but the Arishok bit's already way off topic. Weren't they supposed to have disassembled their *GIGANTIC* Dreadnaught and built a little fort in Lowtown? It looks like they took two loads of scrap and said "Meh, we have a few tents and a fancy bench for the Boss, I'm hungry."

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That isn't the Arishok's fault either....

>.>

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Unless, of course, whenever the Arishok walks out from wherever he sits staring menacingly when he's not on his bench, he's coming from a scrap palace. Maybe that's where they store the soldiers who aren't on display with their arms crossed, going "HMPH!"

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1- Petrice
2- Grand Cleric Elthina (Don't even move a finger when Petrice fall in the middle of the Chantry)
3- Sebastian (Maker this, Maker that ... pffff)
4- Fenris (I hate this, I hate that ...)
5- Bartrand
6- Senechal Bran
7- Carver
8- Quentin
9- Meredith
10- Alrik