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Tazzmission wrote...

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That was an awful piece of DLC.




your a moron


Why because he/she didn't agree with your opinion?  Keep your personal attacks to yourself would you.

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Captain Crash wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

That was an awful piece of DLC.


your a moron


I wouldnt say awful, but I am fustrated by the lack of any sort of emotional attachment and the fact my paragon Shepard would never have acted in this way.  Shes's so cold to everything going on and it was painfull to see the dialogue scripted like this.  To requote myself I address this here:

http://social.biowar...9916/10#6829908



So, Shepard is basically a cold/emotionless d-bag thoughout most of the DLC in spite of the circumstances?

:crying:

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SergeySW wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

brain_damage wrote...

SergeySW wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

This video game me some shivers.

http://youtu.be/GvJCtr3uyZ4?hd=1

Skip to 20 seconds to see Reaper invasion when Shepard fails to destroy the Relay.

Thanks for in-game record! Looks better!


That's Ashley, standing right next to Mordin, Garrus and Chakwas in 0:33. So, maybe the Virmire survivor is a companion in ME3? :3



im thinking this takes place if you play it after horizon because not only do you have ashley but you got the illusive man in there as well... and keep in mind you do encounter ash/kaiden on horizon so maybe this is the case?

No, there is only one video in "Arrival" bad end :(


Good video is destruction of a Mass Relay and causing Human&Batarian war.

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I liked it, It's nice seeing The Shep finally getting back on track facing the real foe - It would have been an awesome DLC if you could have had your team with you and they would actually comment about Sheps actions.

More than any DLC this one needed the voices of your team mates, But all in all it was pretty good.

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Raanz wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

That was an awful piece of DLC.




your a moron


Why because he/she didn't agree with your opinion?  Keep your personal attacks to yourself would you.



um first off i wont keep my mouth shut, secondly he hasnt given a reason as to why he thinks it was trash, and finally  id like to point out this isnt your situation

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Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I liked it, It's nice seeing The Shep finally getting back on track facing the real foe - It would have been an awesome DLC if you could have had your team with you and they would actually comment about Sheps actions.

More than any DLC this one needed the voices of your team mates, But all in all it was pretty good.




i liked shepard going solo for a change. because it really is about him

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SergeySW wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

brain_damage wrote...

SergeySW wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

This video game me some shivers.

http://youtu.be/GvJCtr3uyZ4?hd=1

Skip to 20 seconds to see Reaper invasion when Shepard fails to destroy the Relay.

Thanks for in-game record! Looks better!


That's Ashley, standing right next to Mordin, Garrus and Chakwas in 0:33. So, maybe the Virmire survivor is a companion in ME3? :3



im thinking this takes place if you play it after horizon because not only do you have ashley but you got the illusive man in there as well... and keep in mind you do encounter ash/kaiden on horizon so maybe this is the case?

No, there is only one video in "Arrival" bad end anyway :(

So you're saying it doesn't change if I save Kaidan instead of Ash? God the plot holes add up..

Modifié par Gr33nday345, 29 mars 2011 - 03:40 .


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Anacronian Stryx

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Tazzmission wrote...

Raanz wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

That was an awful piece of DLC.




your a moron


Why because he/she didn't agree with your opinion?  Keep your personal attacks to yourself would you.



um first off i wont keep my mouth shut, secondly he hasnt given a reason as to why he thinks it was trash, and finally  id like to point out this isnt your situation


look if You're going to call somebody moron then at least learn to spell...*looks at above post* ..forget it.

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I haven't gotten the chance yet, so can someone who isn't too bias for or against the DLC tell me if it's worth a playthrough? is it more like LotSB or Overlord? I don't really want to pay for another sidequest.

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PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Wait a minute Captain. My paragon Shepard wouldn't do that at all except the high stake. 300 000 Batarians vs Suprise Reaper attack and Trillions or more dead ?


That bit I understand dont worry.  There was no other way and its a price I accept. Of course any Shepard knows the greater good.  Thats not really my issue

My problem was how cold the dialogue was about it throughout. "we must reactivate the project" nothing else matters blah blah ect ect.  She showed absolutely no emotion to the fact 300,000 people have died or were about too.  Thats not the Shepard I remember creating or how she would have reacted to the situation.  Its like she had a personality transplant during the mission.

As I said the dialogue was so unfitting towards everything going on and really didnt reflect my paragon nature. There wasnt a single paragon interrupt or way to convey an emotion of regret or remorse. Even at the end debrief I felt the whole issue of so many people dieing was just shrugged off and being tried in a court was an even bigger issue now. 


jlb524 wrote...

So, Shepard is basically a cold/emotionless d-bag thoughout most of the DLC in spite of the circumstances?

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]


Yes, what happend to my virtous hero?!   :crying:  She would never reacted like this!  :(

Modifié par Captain Crash, 29 mars 2011 - 03:41 .


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How do you guys have it already? I'm in EST time and still don't see it anywhere >__>

Do you need Gold to be able to download it? I always thought you can download DLC with Silver...

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Dave666 wrote...

Same here, i haven't studied Physics since school and that was 14 years ago (damn I just made myself feel old), I'm certainly not saying its not possible, its just 'feels' off to me for some reason, if that makes sense?  Personally I just enjoy having debates like this where everyone is civil and you can throw ideas back and forth, after all, who is it hurting?

Yeah, stuff like this is tons of fun.  And yeah, it feels off a little to me, too, but there's really nothing that says it couldn't happen that way.  The Mu Relay would have kept going at whatever speed and direction the supernova knocked it into for four thousand years provided nothing interacted with it gravitationally, but a close encounter with a star or planet could have easily sped it up, slowed it down, or changed its trajectory.  Even at a modest speed of a hundred thousand miles per hour (the speed of Earth around the sun), it would be 400 million miles away (roughly four times the distance from Earth to the sun).

Okay, so in the grand scheme of things, that's a pretty short distance, but we know that the relays are smaller than Charon (Pluto's moon) because that's where one of them was hidden.  That means they have to be less than 753 miles long (source).

Imagine what a pain it'd be to find an object that doesn't give off any radiation within a sphere with a radius of 400 million miles.  Not impossible to find, mind you, but it'd still be a pain in the ass.  However, if the rachni were looking as hard as they seem to have for it, though, it's hard to believe they never found it.

Then again, I've never gone relay hunting.

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AlbertoAquilani wrote...

I don't think ME 3 will start with a prison break. A trial, more like.


I'm not sure it'll start with a trial.  My paragade engineer told Hackett she'd turn herself in when her mission was complete.  So maybe ME3 will end not with the destructions of the Reapers but in a courtroom.  Sort of anticlimactic but maybe it'll be dramatic as some of the best entertainment (books, film, TV, etc.) is court or law related.

Modifié par Yakko77, 29 mars 2011 - 03:52 .


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Tazzmission wrote...

Raanz wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

That was an awful piece of DLC.




your a moron


Why because he/she didn't agree with your opinion?  Keep your personal attacks to yourself would you.



um first off i wont keep my mouth shut, secondly he hasnt given a reason as to why he thinks it was trash, and finally  id like to point out this isnt your situation


So what? He gave an opinion that you didn't like so you called him a moron.  Kind of like second grade.  Reading comprehension: I didn't tell you to keep your mouth shut, I asked that you refrain from personal attacks, but I guess you missed that.

To keep this on track, I thought the DLC was just ok, definitely not an 8/10, more like a 6 or a weak 7.  Am I moron now?  

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Oops.  Double post.

Modifié par Yakko77, 29 mars 2011 - 03:52 .


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Well aside from the betrayal which someone leaked. It all played out exactly like I was expecting. I'd like to say I was disappointed but I already knew it wasn't going to be that good.

Don't get me wrong I still enjoyed it and I very much apprechiate the DLC. But I think it'd have had far more impact if it had been designed to be playable only after the suicide mission with more dialog centered around that. And most importantly if the DLC had have came before they showed us the reapers arriving in the Mass Effect 3 trailer. Between the end of ME 2 and the ME 3 trailer we'd already figured out that the reapers had manually piloted. And we still don't know how they ended up in Earth's solar system first.

The DLC exists to shock you that the reapers can arrive sooner than you think and ultimately gives you a rough idea of when the DLC is completed how long it'll take them to get here. Between months and a year or two. The DLC was as cheap as Overlord which is a huge redeeming factor and it was cool seeing Admiral Hackett and kinda interesting playing as solo shepard but also kinda pointless - but it was a smart cop out to avoid squad members knowing about it - would have been pretty ridicolous if they'd have known what had happened and then not said a word about it the rest of the game. I also feel a little let down that we finally had an opportunity to have a proper conversation with harbinger and didn't learn anything from it other than more threats of what we already know is happening from the ME3 trailer.

The lack of even a brief cameo of the VS or any involvement whatsoever in the mission was disappointing but not unexpected after seeing the price. I just feel like the decision bioware has made here, by favouring Liara in ME 2 over the VS and expecting VS romancers to just deal with it and hope for ME 3 was a bit on the cruel side and might result in a lot of people not bothering to romance Ash or Kaiden or just cheating on them, especially on the PS3 version where they've never met them. Why on earth would a PS3 user entering the series for the first time, want to pick Ash or Kaiden at the start of the game knowng that theres only a brief cameo where they fob you off? If anything the lack of an emotional VS dlc means that PS3 users will go into ME3 with no emotional attachment to Ash/Kaiden and there will be a massive slant towards liara romances.

As nice as this DLC is I think everyone was expecting a DLC that covered this but on the scale of Lair of the Shadowbrokers quality with the VS involved at the higher price point of 800 points. But thank you anyway Bioware, can never have enough Mass Effect.

Modifié par Pr3ying M4nt15 360, 29 mars 2011 - 03:54 .


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Does anyone know what happens if you survive the waves long enough at the Rho Artifact? Shepard wipes out the colony on the asteroid, has two days to evacuate everyone, slams the asteroid into the relay, then everyone goes home happy? No Batarian casualties and the Reapers are still stopped?

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Captain Crash wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Wait a minute Captain. My paragon Shepard wouldn't do that at all except the high stake. 300 000 Batarians vs Suprise Reaper attack and Trillions or more dead ?


That bit I understand dont worry.  There was no other way and its a price I accept. Of course any Shepard knows the greater good.  Thats not really my issue

My problem was how cold the dialogue was about it throughout. "we must reactivate the project" nothing else matters blah blah ect ect.  She showed absolutely no emotion to the fact 300,000 people have died or were about too.  Thats not the Shepard I remember creating or how she would have reacted to the situation.  Its like she had a personality transplant during the mission.

As I said the dialogue was so unfitting towards everything going on and really didnt reflect my paragon nature. There wasnt a single paragon interrupt or way to convey an emotion of regret or remorse. Even at the end debrief I felt the whole issue of so many people dieing was just shrugged off and being tried in a court was an even bigger issue now. 


jlb524 wrote...

So, Shepard is basically a cold/emotionless d-bag thoughout most of the DLC in spite of the circumstances?

Image IPB


Yes, what happend to my virtous hero?!   :crying:  She would never reacted like this!  :(


Actually my wife said that doing the debrifing there should be a paragon interupt that did nothing else but putting tears in Shep's eyes.

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Tazzmission wrote...
um first off i wont keep my mouth shut, secondly he hasnt given a reason as to why he thinks it was trash, and finally  id like to point out this isnt your situation


So you're saying that if he saw bullying going on in the street he should let it continue because 'it isn't his situation'?  Let's be honest here: if the guy had given a reason you or someone else would have still attacked him anyway, so he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.  He expressed an opinion on the dlc, that he thought it was crap, he was under no obligation to explain himself just as someone who loved it doesn't either.

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I can't see ME 3 starting in a court room. As Hackett said there's no evidence for what Shepard did... maybe it will start with you easing the tension (or starting a war) between the Batarians and Humans.

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shinobi602 wrote...

How do you guys have it already? I'm in EST time and still don't see it anywhere >__>

Do you need Gold to be able to download it? I always thought you can download DLC with Silver...


I got it with Silver  at 9 am EST. It was kind of buried though.  It didn't show up in the in-game DLC options, I had to go through one of the Xbox dashboard screens.  And it was in the middle of a list.

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salojeff wrote...

I haven't gotten the chance yet, so can someone who isn't too bias for or against the DLC tell me if it's worth a playthrough? is it more like LotSB or Overlord? I don't really want to pay for another sidequest.



id say its worth a playthrough.

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I guess if LotSB was for Paragon players then Arrival was for Renegade players. Only one interrupt and it was Renegade...

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spoilers/recap for those who dont intend to buy

Shepard is super human. I liked the dlc. i cant say how much because I'm in dragon age mode. but storywise it's definitely important even if there are no real decisions. it slows the reaper invasion by "months or even years" and sets up a potential war humans vs batarians. Shep definitely gets his hands dirty, sacrificing over 300,000 people to slow the reapers. Hackett tells shep he'll buy him some time, but shep has to turn himself into the alliance. I wonder if me3 will open with Shepard in prison, maybe on earth or in a batarian prison.

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Gr33nday345 wrote...

Does anyone know what happens if you survive the waves long enough at the Rho Artifact? (...)

The same thing as if you fall under fire. Kenson shows up and you know what's next.

Modifié par Ashii6, 29 mars 2011 - 03:51 .