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Honestly...this was abit disapointing...it does its job by bridgeing ME3 so cudos for that...but honestly it just feels incomplete. I find it extreamly hard to believe it took 6 months to make somthing of this quality. Feels like another rush job from Bioware...I sense a disturbing and disapointing trend forming within Bioware these days...first DA2 and now Arrival. I'm getting more worried for ME3 everyday, Bethesda might be my saving grace, sad as it is to say. If ME3 dosen't work out I might have to seriously consider not buying anymore Bioware products. For now however...I am still a loyal and devoted fan.

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Just finished Arrival. I enjoyed it alot although it is not without it's faults. Still I felt it was just as enjoyable as Overlord and LOTSB and well worth the price.

Ty2011 wrote...

Did anyone not Renegade shoot Dr. Kenson? My Shepard had full Paragon but I thought it was the right decision to shoot someone holding a detonation device. If he was willing to sacrifice 300,000 people then he should be able to kill one crazy one.

Anyone know what happens if you don't shoot her?


I'm a strictly Paragon gamer and the second I saw that Renegade interupt I pulled the trigger and shot that crazy b***h. That decision is still bugging me but I just reacted on instsinct.

I managed to get the "Stealth" Achievement on my first try although I wouldn't have gotten it if I did not know there was a "Stealth" Achievement. I did miss out on the "Last Stand"  Achievment however, I think I only made it past 3 rounds of opponents at Object Rho.

I found the bits where you are trying to stop the Mass effect Core from going into meltdown very confusing ( even though this part of the game was very linear ), maybe it was because I felt a certain amount of urgency into finding those control rods and before Kenson put the Core into meltdown, I felt as if I were running blind through the corridors without paying much attention to the scenary. I also had some pacing concerns about the story. I would have liked to learn a bit more about Object Rho, what exactly was it  ( besides being a Reaper Artifact ). I was happy that the Bypass mini game was kept to a minimum and simplified even thou it did not need simplfing in the first place I still appreciate the gesture.

I am concerned about the ending. While it is interesting that my Paragon Shepard has been forced to get his hands dirty ( creates more conflict for ME3 ) I don't like this idea that Shepard will be put on trial and might recieve a Court Marshall. Obviously the Alliance will be singing a very different tune when the Reapers do invade but does the Alliance even have the authority to Court Marshall my Shepard, he is after all a Sprectre and can do whatever he wants as long as it protects the Galaxy. The only people who can try him and judge him are the Council.

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Rapamaha1 wrote...

Shepard vs Balak
2-0


So you ATTEMPTED to glass a planet and failed. I just blew an entire solar system back to cosmic dust... So
whatch you got ****?! :police:

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Also crashing weight after that relay went real punch to the gut.

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SmokePants wrote...

I played Paragon and I was completely fine with how everything played out. It is only natural to feel less emotion for a faceless many than a familiar few. But how do you even know that he wasn't feeling anything? The only person he could actually talk to about it was Hacket, and was he supposed to get all weepy in front of an Admiral? I just can't envision any scenario that would make you guys happy without making everyone else roll their eyes and/or vomit.


All I want is a little emotion to fact so many people have died.  That generally is how paragon Shepard reacts by showing compasion and virtue.  Why is that so vomit worthy?  Situations with emotinal impact are shown throughout both games and paragon Shep reacts to each of them.  This doesnt happen at all in this DLC. The dialogue is in essence terrible for paragon Shepard.  There is no specific paragon dialogue and there are no paragon interupts.  Essentially playing a paragon is ignored in this DLC I feel.   Theres virtually nothing in that top right corner dialogue option. Except at the very end which is about a trial!!  My shep wouldnt give a monkeys about the book being slammed at her after all this, but now it the scope going into the future.   I really do feel detached playing my character during the course of this DLC which is a terrible shame.     

Modifié par Captain Crash, 29 mars 2011 - 05:49 .


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I'm surprised shooting the Doctor seemed like the decision that made the most sense to most people. Unless you can be 100% sure you can kill the person in one shot, you almost never want to take that chance in a hostage situation or something like this when she has a detonator. If she isn't killed straight away (and she wasn't) she's obviously going to push the detonator regardless now. I thought it made the most sense to try and talk her down, even though I knew what was going to happen regardless.

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I thought the DLC was awesome. It was short but I fully expected that because every BioWare DLC is short. I liked how destroying the Batarians was the only option, because it really was the only option.

I don't like the idea of any kind of trial scenario, as I've stated in the past when the topic is discussed here. My Shepard is Cerberus now, he wouldn't show up to a trial in the first place. He already as an escaped convict on his ship, Shepard not showing up to a trial is no big deal.

Hackett coming back was kind of cool, though I had hoped that he would have ties to Cerberus.

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does anyone think that the trial scenario in mass effect 3 is going to be a way of choosing you allegiance? For example, I loved Cerberus because they didn't fight Shepard every step of the way and were actually an invaluable resource to her, and I would much rather stay with them in ME3.

but I know that there are some people who might not prefer to work with Cerberus despite how they were more useful than the alliance/council in every way, and instead of letting you pick an actual side with regards to Cerberus, the game decides for you that you don't like them and just gives you paragon and renegade ways of saying that. Only twice in the game do I remember being allowed to say a good thing about Cerberus.

Could the court scenario be a way to let the player choose their side for ME3? An option to plead not guilty and rejoin the alliance, or to plead guilty and get busted out of prison by Cerberus?

i would love something like that. it would let the people determined to do a paragon run despite how blatantly ignorant paragon shepard can be the option to be masochistic and rejoin the council/alliance, and give everyone who just doesn't want to be fought every step of the way a chance to stick with Cerberus.

but regardless of what actually happens in the trial, I already see a huge plot hole that needs to be dealt with. Liara says at the end of LotSB that she has enough information and secrets to start a galactic war. She must have enough classified information to blackmail the alliance into clearing shepard of all charges. if she doesn't help you, glaring plot hole. if she does, the entire trial is pretty pointless since there's only one way it can end. this is the kind of stuff that happens when you give a character too much power. excessive power and time travel are two plot no-no's, and bioware has come dangerously close to the former.

and will Tali return the favor and represent Shepard in this case?

so many questions

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Captain Crash wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

I played Paragon and I was completely fine with how everything played out. It is only natural to feel less emotion for a faceless many than a familiar few. But how do you even know that he wasn't feeling anything? The only person he could actually talk to about it was Hacket, and was he supposed to get all weepy in front of an Admiral? I just can't envision any scenario that would make you guys happy without making everyone else roll their eyes and/or vomit.


All I want is a little emotion to fact so many people have died.  That generally is how paragon Shepard reacts by showing compasion and virtue.  Why is that so vomit worthy?  Situations with emotinal impact are shown throughout both games and paragon Shep reacts to each of them.  This doesnt happen at all in this DLC. The dialogue is in essence terrible for paragon Shepard.  There is no specific paragon dialogue and there are no paragon interupts.  Essentially playing a paragon is ignored in this DLC I feel.   Theres virtually nothing in that top right corner dialogue option. Except at the very end which is about a trial!!  My shep wouldnt give a monkeys about the book being slammed at her after all this, but now it the scope going into the future.   I really do feel detached playing my character during the course of this DLC which is a terrible shame.     


Because it's a no brainer.  Shepard even admitted it when talking to Hackett post-mission.  Yea the 300,000 batarians, people who aren't friendly even on the best of days, sucks but it's a no brainer.  He sacrificed a bunch of people in ME1 too but he didn't get weepy about it.  I'm sure it'll be brought up in ME3 but I'm glad how they handled it.  Any sort of idiotic paragon option where you didn't slam the meteor into the relay would have just resulted in a game over.  I mean he even tried sending out a warning.

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Yet again my issue isnt about the Ultimate Sacrifice. I agree, there was no other option. Its the lack of emotional connection and dialogue to a Shapard of paragon virtue that is why I find this DLC frustrating. You willingly sacrificed a lot of people and the DLC detaches you from this.

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salojeff wrote...

does anyone think that the trial scenario in mass effect 3 is going to be a way of choosing you allegiance? For example, I loved Cerberus because they didn't fight Shepard every step of the way and were actually an invaluable resource to her, and I would much rather stay with them in ME3.

but I know that there are some people who might not prefer to work with Cerberus despite how they were more useful than the alliance/council in every way, and instead of letting you pick an actual side with regards to Cerberus, the game decides for you that you don't like them and just gives you paragon and renegade ways of saying that. Only twice in the game do I remember being allowed to say a good thing about Cerberus.

Could the court scenario be a way to let the player choose their side for ME3? An option to plead not guilty and rejoin the alliance, or to plead guilty and get busted out of prison by Cerberus?

i would love something like that. it would let the people determined to do a paragon run despite how blatantly ignorant paragon shepard can be the option to be masochistic and rejoin the council/alliance, and give everyone who just doesn't want to be fought every step of the way a chance to stick with Cerberus.

but regardless of what actually happens in the trial, I already see a huge plot hole that needs to be dealt with. Liara says at the end of LotSB that she has enough information and secrets to start a galactic war. She must have enough classified information to blackmail the alliance into clearing shepard of all charges. if she doesn't help you, glaring plot hole. if she does, the entire trial is pretty pointless since there's only one way it can end. this is the kind of stuff that happens when you give a character too much power. excessive power and time travel are two plot no-no's, and bioware has come dangerously close to the former.

and will Tali return the favor and represent Shepard in this case?

so many questions


It might not be a formal trial.  The Alliance wouldn't want it to be known that their top representative is facing a courtmartial or disciplinary action.  He's widely considered a hero so I think it's just going to be the top dogs barking at Shepard.  If it was a formal trial then they would have to strip Shepard first of his SPECTRE status.

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FFS people there will NOT be a trial! First off, Shepard says in Arrival that he will show up 'once everything is over', and once everything is over everyone will either declare him a hero or be dead. Nobody is going to care about a bunch of Batarians anymore, and I find it hard to believe anyone cares enough in the first place.

And most importantly, Arrival is not "canon"! This is not something necessary for ME 3, and for those who did not play Arrival but did play ME 2, it would be completely confusing to somehow end up in a trial for something the player doesn't even remember doing. It can't be something that happens in-between games either because you ARE Shepard, you play all the big moments, and for them to pretend something like that happened between games for those who don't buy Arrival are going to be going ballistic.

i would love something like that. it would let the people determined to
do a paragon run despite how blatantly ignorant paragon shepard can be
the option to be masochistic and rejoin the council/alliance, and give
everyone who just doesn't want to be fought every step of the way a
chance to stick with Cerberus.


Oh yes para-Shep is ignorant, as opposed to renegade Shep who has humanity take over the Council and somehow we are supposed to believe that this is somewhat believable despite it being completely rediculous, but I digress. 

Modifié par nevar00, 29 mars 2011 - 06:03 .


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Pfff they're BATARIANS. It doesn't matter how many you kill. Anyone who supports them supports communism and kicking puppies.
<_<

Shepard kinda looked upset at the moment, but that passed.  Poor writing?

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nevar00 wrote...

FFS people there will NOT be a trial! First off, Shepard says in Arrival that he will show up 'once everything is over', and once everything is over everyone will either declare him a hero or be dead. Nobody is going to care about a bunch of Batarians anymore, and I find it hard to believe anyone cares enough in the first place.

And most importantly, Arrival is not "canon"! This is not something necessary for ME 3, and for those who did not play Arrival but did play ME 2, it would be completely confusing to somehow end up in a trial for something the player doesn't even remember doing. It can't be something that happens in-between games either because you ARE Shepard, you play all the big moments, and for them to pretend something like that happened between games for those who don't buy Arrival are going to be going ballistic.


It would be very easy to just state in the opening scenes of ME3 what Shepard did in Arrival.  They could even show a cutscene.

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KEDASUPAVILLAIN wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

KEDASUPAVILLAIN wrote...

I'm getting a strong sense after playing this DLC that one of the outcomes to ME3 could be Shep facing a death penalty after all is said and done for wiping out 300,000+ Batarians. Yes you might of saved everyone in the end but you still wiped out a whole system to do it. Just one outcome tho.:whistle:


That would be a shame. Obviously too bad for the batarians, but overall Shepherd's actions are worthy of a VC.

That would be a horrible outcome if Shepherd was court martialled.


Court martialed? I keep seeing that. Wouldn't that mean Shep is back with the Alliance? From where I'm sitting he/she is either an independent star ship (stolen ship) captain with no real ties with anyone, a Spectre with a stolen Cerberus ship or a Cerberus agent (for the most part). I thought with Shep's "death", he/her was out of the Alliance? Either way, it looks bad on Shep. One, your still with Cerberus and you wiped a mass of non-humans, two, you are independent, acting alone and you wiped out 300,000 beings or three, you're a Spectre and you killed 300,000 in which case the Council can turn their back on you again and your hung out there to dry. Facing a death penalty makes sense but I think it would one of those "bad" outcomes. Like yes, we're saved but can we over look what you have done to get here?


Well, technically Shepherd was on an Alliance special ops mission at the time.

The death penalty for this would be more than a little harsh. Like I said, this should merit a VC, or Medal of Honour, or Alliance equivilant thereof.

Let's not lose perspective here: 300,000 batarian deaths to save trillions of others, both living and yet to be born, seems like a comparatively reasonable price to pay.

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All I can say is: it talks? (rho)

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AlphaJarmel wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

FFS people there will NOT be a trial! First off, Shepard says in Arrival that he will show up 'once everything is over', and once everything is over everyone will either declare him a hero or be dead. Nobody is going to care about a bunch of Batarians anymore, and I find it hard to believe anyone cares enough in the first place.

And most importantly, Arrival is not "canon"! This is not something necessary for ME 3, and for those who did not play Arrival but did play ME 2, it would be completely confusing to somehow end up in a trial for something the player doesn't even remember doing. It can't be something that happens in-between games either because you ARE Shepard, you play all the big moments, and for them to pretend something like that happened between games for those who don't buy Arrival are going to be going ballistic.


It would be very easy to just state in the opening scenes of ME3 what Shepard did in Arrival.  They could even show a cutscene.


But again, it isn't fair for people who didn't play Arrival to have missed such an important part of the story.  At most we might get an angry Batarian NPC mention it.

This isn't comparable to Liara becoming the Shadow Broker either.  Liara being the Shadow Broker is most likely "canon", but not something Shepard had to be involved in as they could explain it easily by saying Liara took down the Broker without Shepard and get people who didn't play LOTSB caught up within 30 seconds. 

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Durgon Ironfist wrote...

Rapamaha1 wrote...

Shepard vs Balak
2-0


So you ATTEMPTED to glass a planet and failed. I just blew an entire solar system back to cosmic dust... So
whatch you got ****?! :police:

That was before relays could be destroyed by some rock.

We better be guarding Charon Relay more than before [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

kylecouch wrote...

Honestly...this was abit
disapointing...it does its job by bridgeing ME3 so cudos for that...but
honestly it just feels incomplete. I find it extreamly hard to believe
it took 6 months to make somthing of this quality. Feels like another
rush job from Bioware...I sense a disturbing and disapointing trend
forming within Bioware these days...first DA2 and now Arrival. I'm
getting more worried for ME3 everyday, Bethesda might be my saving
grace, sad as it is to say. If ME3 dosen't work out I might have to
seriously consider not buying anymore Bioware products. For now
however...I am still a loyal and devoted fan.

Exactly my feelings about the whole thing.

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jbblue05 wrote...

THeir is a medi-gel behind one of the crates that you can move with the crane at the batarian prison.

I think LOTSB was better because their were 2 bosses you had to fight. Arrival had none but it was a solid DLC


Yeah, I think Arrival wasn't meant to be better than LotSB. It was more of Overlord standard. 
LotSB is 800 MS points, but Overlord/Arrival is 560 MS points.
LotSB has 5 cheevo's, but Overlord/Arrival has 2/3 cheevo's. 

I still haven't bought Arrival, but it looks quality! 

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nevar00 wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

FFS people there will NOT be a trial! First off, Shepard says in Arrival that he will show up 'once everything is over', and once everything is over everyone will either declare him a hero or be dead. Nobody is going to care about a bunch of Batarians anymore, and I find it hard to believe anyone cares enough in the first place.

And most importantly, Arrival is not "canon"! This is not something necessary for ME 3, and for those who did not play Arrival but did play ME 2, it would be completely confusing to somehow end up in a trial for something the player doesn't even remember doing. It can't be something that happens in-between games either because you ARE Shepard, you play all the big moments, and for them to pretend something like that happened between games for those who don't buy Arrival are going to be going ballistic.


It would be very easy to just state in the opening scenes of ME3 what Shepard did in Arrival.  They could even show a cutscene.


But again, it isn't fair for people who didn't play Arrival to have missed such an important part of the story.  At most we might get an angry Batarian NPC mention it.

This isn't comparable to Liara becoming the Shadow Broker either.  Liara being the Shadow Broker is most likely "canon", but not something Shepard had to be involved in as they could explain it easily by saying Liara took down the Broker without Shepard and get people who didn't play LOTSB caught up within 30 seconds. 


Most likely they'll explain Arrival at the trail, and maybe use flashbacks, for those who didn't download it.

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nevar00 wrote...

FFS people there will NOT be a trial! First off, Shepard says in Arrival that he will show up 'once everything is over', and once everything is over everyone will either declare him a hero or be dead. Nobody is going to care about a bunch of Batarians anymore, and I find it hard to believe anyone cares enough in the first place.

And most importantly, Arrival is not "canon"! This is not something necessary for ME 3, and for those who did not play Arrival but did play ME 2, it would be completely confusing to somehow end up in a trial for something the player doesn't even remember doing. It can't be something that happens in-between games either because you ARE Shepard, you play all the big moments, and for them to pretend something like that happened between games for those who don't buy Arrival are going to be going ballistic.

i would love something like that. it would let the people determined to
do a paragon run despite how blatantly ignorant paragon shepard can be
the option to be masochistic and rejoin the council/alliance, and give
everyone who just doesn't want to be fought every step of the way a
chance to stick with Cerberus.


Oh yes para-Shep is ignorant, as opposed to renegade Shep who has humanity take over the Council and somehow we are supposed to believe that this is somewhat believable despite it being completely rediculous, but I digress. 


I would agree that there is not going to be a trial. It just doesn't make sense.

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Has anyone tried letting the countdown reach zero? I've sat myself in front of it at 1hr 44mins, just after breaking out of the lab/cell with the mech. Anyone know if a special little game over cutscene plays?

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the one thing that would of helped at the end of arrival would of been a cutscene after hackett left shepard in the medbay we see the reapers arrive in the alpha relay system

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nevar00 wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

FFS people there will NOT be a trial! First off, Shepard says in Arrival that he will show up 'once everything is over', and once everything is over everyone will either declare him a hero or be dead. Nobody is going to care about a bunch of Batarians anymore, and I find it hard to believe anyone cares enough in the first place.

And most importantly, Arrival is not "canon"! This is not something necessary for ME 3, and for those who did not play Arrival but did play ME 2, it would be completely confusing to somehow end up in a trial for something the player doesn't even remember doing. It can't be something that happens in-between games either because you ARE Shepard, you play all the big moments, and for them to pretend something like that happened between games for those who don't buy Arrival are going to be going ballistic.


It would be very easy to just state in the opening scenes of ME3 what Shepard did in Arrival.  They could even show a cutscene.


But again, it isn't fair for people who didn't play Arrival to have missed such an important part of the story.  At most we might get an angry Batarian NPC mention it.

This isn't comparable to Liara becoming the Shadow Broker either.  Liara being the Shadow Broker is most likely "canon", but not something Shepard had to be involved in as they could explain it easily by saying Liara took down the Broker without Shepard and get people who didn't play LOTSB caught up within 30 seconds. 


At this point, if you haven't played the first two games then yes you're going to miss out.  Same with the DLC. Should be as simple as that.  Arrival is very linear.  A cutscene would more than suffice to fill people in so they know what is happening.   The trial is almost certainly going to end with you walking away so it won't really matter except for people who want continuity, the same people who buy the DLC.  Hackett made it as clear as possible without some developer coming in with signs waving, "ME3 starts on Earth", that you will be going to Earth.

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Silly question, but is there meant to be an incredibly long wait just after you've released the doctor? Just freed her, she's gone off to "hack our way out" with me protecting her. I've managed to shut a door, defeat a few groups of enemies and now I'm...doing nothing. Though the door I've just shut appears to be being cut open with a blow torch...very very very very slowly.