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[Kazzar]

Cossack72 wrote...

Kazzar wrote...

Just to clarify, when in ME2 is Arrival? It's just I can't get it till next week at the earliest and wanted to know

Whenever you want it to be. You can do it before the suicide mission or after. Only real difference is that at the end you talk to Harbinger if you've done the SM. If not then you talk to the Harbinger through the Collector General.

Thanks. I just wanted to know whether it was set after LOTSB or not as I have not even got that yet

[Paraxial]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

"I won't let fear compromise who I am."

...and yet you didn't even hesitate to kill 300,000 people and destroy an entire solar system.

That kind of consistency is why I love Paragon.

...You do realize there was NO alternative in the Arrival.  Either you threw that asteroid into the Relay...or the Reapers would enter and use it to take out the galaxy.

There's no inconsistency.  Even a staunch Paragon would recognize the necessity.

I doubt he'll understand. Many people tend to classify the Paragon alignment as being an angel, he without sin. When all it really is is the embodiment of a concept. Being paragon means being a shining example of a lawful and just individual, one who does not break the law and only goes to extremes when necessary. It doesn't mean the individual cannot make difficult decisions when it is necessary to do so.

[The-Person]

Saphra Deden wrote...

"I won't let fear compromise who I am."

...and yet you didn't even hesitate to kill 300,000 people and destroy an entire solar system.

That kind of consistency is why I love Paragon.

Not like he had much choice, you either let the reaper through dooming those 300,000 people and then trillions more or you stop them while killing those 300,000 people. Anyways, paragon Shepard did try to warn them.

[Pwener2313]

Spuudle wrote...

I did, just. Thought i couldnt do it right before you get to the Dr, because of them two guards. I ran past though, and got the ach, as soon as she jumped out of torture chamber. didnt get the 5 wave one tho.

I got the Rho one though. Adept and on hardcore. I am the master!

[InsincereDave]

Cossack72 wrote...

-First you have to remember that you cannot shoot the Varren in the tunnels, as it will alert them. You have to melee them to death.

I've shot all the varren on both the Xbox and PC versions and got the achievement so that can't be right.

[Yakko77]

Cossack72 wrote...

To everyone who didn't get the achievement:

-First you have to remember that you cannot shoot the Varren in the tunnels, as it will alert them. You have to melee them to death.

-Sneak by everyone else. Do not go into the same room they are in, EVEN IF YOU ARE CLOAKED.

-Sneak by the first 2 guards by turning off the security lasers above the truck.

-And don't worry if you hear: THERE THEY ARE! and LOST VISUAL! every time you cloak and uncloak. It's a funny glitch that they spout off even if they don't see you.

Good luck fellows.

I  shot all of the varren and still got the achievement.

[merrick97]

I am VERY curious in ME3 how Bioware plans to account for those who didnt play the DLC. Somehow it will have to come to pass. Casey Hudson says they wont punish players who dont play the DLC.

I guess ME3 will have it that the relay was destroyed regardless but instead of you it will be someone else. Possibly the VS.

I have saved my Renegade Vanguard playthrough to account for this possibility. I will also not complete LotSB in that playthrough either. I want to see how ME3 is different if you havent played LotSB or the Arrival.

[Gromphadelic]

I get the feeling the main purpose of that dlc was to give mass effect 3 a reasonable beginning. we aren't supposed to make any decisions here.

in "arrival" we learn, that after the destruction of the mass relay the reapers might need a while to find a new way out of darkspace.
my guess is that during this time, shepard gets convicted for the destruction of a whole system in order to prevent war with the batarians and is locked away somewhere.
when the reaper invasion finally begins, shepard is needed again. so, as always, you will have to get together your new/old crew, recapture your ship (which will probably be the normandy sr-2, as EDI has already been confirmed for mass effect 3) and kick the reapers $§%§$.

at least that's what it looks like to me. I just don't believe they'd mention the probability of a military trial against shepard if that trial wasn't supposed to happen, besides we know mass effect and bioware games in general.
getting together a crew and doing some assignments for them was an important part of mass effect 1.
in mass effect 2 getting together your team and gaining their loyalty even made 70% of the whole game, they won't abandon this in mass effect 3.
the only thing they needed was a reason why shepard, AGAIN, would have to get together his old crew or a new team and this reason might be given with "arrival".

i mean i don't really like the idea, i like my ship and my crew and i hope most of them will return back in mass effect 3 but really:
which bioware game did ever begin with the hero having a powerful spaceship under his command and a crew of loyal companions who would follow him/her into the deepest pits of hell behind him/her?

quick overview [MASSIVE SPOILERS]
kotor 1: collect some followers, steal a ship, collect more followers, help followers, get a little romantic, save the galaxy
mass effect 1: collect crewmembers, become a spectre and get a ship, collect more crewmembers and help them with one or the other problem, make out with the blue girl or the redneck (if your shepard is male), save the galaxy (for now)
dragon age: origins: become a grey warden, travel around and seek help against the archdemon, meet companions who are willing to follow you, help them with some problems, perhaps make out with one or two of them, slay the dragon and save ferelden
mass effect 2: die, be resurrected 2 years later, get a new ship and a new crew, gain their loyalty by helping them with their problems, make out with one of them or stay with the blue girl or the redneck (again, if you are male), save humanity (for now)
dragon age 2: get to kirkwall, start a new life and get some new friends, help them with their problems, beat the crap out of the arishok and become champion of krikwall, help your new friends a little more and eventually make out with one of them (really cosmopolitan medieval society we have here), beat the crap out of the crazy templar and save....well...nothing this time....
mass effect 3: hmmm...get out of alliance custody and get your ship and crew back? help them with some of their problems to gain or regain their loyalty? make out with your romance from me1 or me2 or even with a new one? finally beat the crap out of the reapers (or help them destroy the universe...please, i want that possibility )?

DON'T mistake this for harsh criticism, all those points i listed are reasons why i like bioware games, as creating cool and interesting characters and developing relationships between those characters is definitely one of biowares biggest strengths.

ok, might have gone a little bit off topic here but long story short: although i liked the dlc and was quite thrilled, i guess the main purpose was to create a convenient initial situation for me3 which will allow bioware to use their typical formula of story development, there aren't supposed to be any decisions.
and it might also serve as a convenient beginning for those who haven't played me1 and 2: former alliance hero gone rogue is called for help to save the galaxy from a threat only he knew for sure existed, something like that. what more does a casual gamer who doesn't know the whole story need?

but perhaps i interpret too much into these last scenes of "arrival", who knows

[Pwener2313]

Spuudle wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Spuudle wrote...

I did, just. Thought i couldnt do it right before you get to the Dr, because of them two guards. I ran past though, and got the ach, as soon as she jumped out of torture chamber. didnt get the 5 wave one tho.

I got the Rho one though. Adept and on hardcore. I am the master!

lol. so you are. i played on insanity tho. (adept also)

Insanity pushes the limits a little too far. Harcore is the best balance. I only died once in the DLC and it at the start.... I was rusty at the gameplay.

[Pwener2313]

Spuudle wrote...

I hope we do get an SR3!

No, that would be like killing Shepard again.

[Gromphadelic]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Spuudle wrote...

I hope we do get an SR3!

No, that would be like killing Shepard again.

as the voice actor of EDI has already been confirmed for me3, i think it will probably be the same ship we have now. besides, it wouldn't make much sense to me putting the same AI into a different ship.

[Gromphadelic]

Spuudle wrote...

Gromphadelic wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Spuudle wrote...

I hope we do get an SR3!

No, that would be like killing Shepard again.

as the voice actor of EDI has already been confirmed for me3, i think it will probably be the same ship we have now. besides, it wouldn't make much sense to me putting the same AI into a different ship.

Hmm, i see your point.

no reason there can't be some modifications to the normandy;) i mean it looks like this time there will be more than just one reaper or one collector ship, bigger guns and thicker shields might be useful

[ROF_Inferno]

InHarmsWay wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

People are really going to think Shepard is a terrorist/madman when he claims he destroyed a system full of people to stop "reapers".

Not when Reapers appear and start slaughtering billions.

thats not gonna happen if u pay attention hackett says "he will delay the trial" (supposedly after the reapers) + shepard pretty much says hell happily face trial what AFTER the reapers invade 99% chance that if u complete ME3 you go face trail but cuz u saved Earth u are excused

[sympathy4saren]

I viewed this as a prologue to ME3, in ME2's skin.

It had one purpose for me...build characterization for Harbinger and the Reapers, and build anticipation.

And, by golly, it sure as hell did.

Subtle tweaks BioWare made to Harbinger's characterization were phenomenal, and the result was a dynamic and emotional direct exchange between Shepard and Harbinger. Sure, words are words, but listen to how they were said. I heard utter confidence and even contempt in Harbinger's voice. And for the first time, I got to tell the Reapers who WE are, and why WE as humans will not quit, or fall away, but stand and fight as our strive to merely exist is threatened.

I got to tell it directly with words this time. And use sarcasm to boot.

Excellent job with the characterization of the Reapers, BioWare. One of my main concerns heading into Mass Effect 3, I was highly critical. Not this time. Simply superb. I hope to see that characterization in ME3.

[jeweledleah]

major complaint - it makes no sense to play it before suicide mission, it should not have been available as early as it was IMO. because it really makes you wonder - what the heck is all that deal with collectors, why are they even there and why are we chasing them, STILL chasing them if reapers are heading in through a completely different spot and that spot is NOT the omega 4 relay? and if reapers didn't need collectors to get to our galaxy (the what's with "you have failed we will find another way?), then what was the point of ME2 and all those colony kidnappings?

after SM though... it feels like you are stopping that other way harby was talking about. and the "you becoming an annoyance" makes a lot more sense.

in personal opinion anyways.

P.S. I really wish we at least had a chance to ask Hackett to pass on the message or something.... not like it would have taken a lot of extra work to do, only couple of extra phrases and barely any extra animations since it could have been done as the part of that last conversation. oh well... what is it about 9 more months till ME3?

edited to add - paragons are perfectly capable of making decisions that have weight of deaths behind them.  its not like saving the council results in no casualties, you just pick and chose which casualties you are willing to live with.  same with collector base.. and heretics...and heck the very first serious decision you make - virmire choice, regardless of your alignment, you are chosing who lives or dies (and by that same reasoning - renegade = / = dead Wrex or dead Jong, you just use different persuasion tactics)

Modifié par jeweledleah, 30 mars 2011 - 01:35 .

[sympathy4saren]

ROF_Inferno wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

People are really going to think Shepard is a terrorist/madman when he claims he destroyed a system full of people to stop "reapers".

Not when Reapers appear and start slaughtering billions.

thats not gonna happen if u pay attention hackett says "he will delay the trial" (supposedly after the reapers) + shepard pretty much says hell happily face trial what AFTER the reapers invade 99% chance that if u complete ME3 you go face trail but cuz u saved Earth u are excused

That's interesting how its playing out in your story. In mine, I'm a Spectre, given authorization to do whatever I see fit, full authority given by the Council i rescued.

[Iron Ranger]

Another good DLC by Bioware. Not sure its worth the price for 1-2 hours of play but all the DLCs seam over priced. Have to say they stayed somewhat consistant.. huge plot holes in this DLC.

You blow up a system, and all people are talking about is what the Batarians will think? How would the knew who did it.. if they send a search team they should be running in to the incomming Reaper fleet. Blame it on them I say!

Is it me or does Time & Space mean nothing in the Mass Effect world?

[Varus Praetor]

ROF_Inferno wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

People are really going to think Shepard is a terrorist/madman when he claims he destroyed a system full of people to stop "reapers".

Not when Reapers appear and start slaughtering billions.

thats not gonna happen if u pay attention hackett says "he will delay the trial" (supposedly after the reapers) + shepard pretty much says hell happily face trial what AFTER the reapers invade 99% chance that if u complete ME3 you go face trail but cuz u saved Earth u are excused

I find this idea much better, and could make for a very satisfying epilogue.  I mean, a trial could allow you to revist all of the saved decisions made in ME1, ME2, and ME3.  Really get closure on everything.

However, starting the game with a trial and jail until the invasion starts would allow BW a better explanation for stripping out abilities again.  Who knows.

[unclee]

jeweledleah wrote...

major complaint - it makes no sense to play it before suicide mission, it should not have been available as early as it was IMO. because it really makes you wonder - what the heck is all that deal with collectors, why are they even there and why are we chasing them, STILL chasing them if reapers are heading in through a completely different spot and that spot is NOT the omega 4 relay? and if reapers didn't need collectors to get to our galaxy (the what's with "you have failed we will find another way?), then what was the point of ME2 and all those colony kidnappings?

^This. Pretty much the only thing that bothered me (even though I won't play it on any file I haven't already completed the game on. This DLC doesn't hold the same impact if done before the SM. You should get the message from Hackett after completing the game.

Modifié par unclee, 30 mars 2011 - 01:52 .

[Gromphadelic]

Varus Praetor wrote...

ROF_Inferno wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

People are really going to think Shepard is a terrorist/madman when he claims he destroyed a system full of people to stop "reapers".

Not when Reapers appear and start slaughtering billions.

thats not gonna happen if u pay attention hackett says "he will delay the trial" (supposedly after the reapers) + shepard pretty much says hell happily face trial what AFTER the reapers invade 99% chance that if u complete ME3 you go face trail but cuz u saved Earth u are excused

I find this idea much better, and could make for a very satisfying epilogue.  I mean, a trial could allow you to revist all of the saved decisions made in ME1, ME2, and ME3.  Really get closure on everything.

However, starting the game with a trial and jail until the invasion starts would allow BW a better explanation for stripping out abilities again.  Who knows.

hmm don't really like the idea of a trial as an epilogue, wouldn't be exactly what i'd call closure. I'd prefer the possibility of either a happy end (shepard saves the galaxy, can finally leave it all behind and make lots of blue children with liara, as at least my shepard promised her in the shadow broker dlc) or a really bad end (shepard fails, gets indoctrinated in the end, whatever, and the reapers lay the galaxy to waste)
sry, i'm a hopeless romantic there^^

liked that about kotor 1, either kill malak, save the republic and be redeemed as a jedi again or kill malak, half of your crew, reclaim the title of the dark lord of the sith and destroy the republic.

i think i read somewhere that they are open to pretty diverse outcomes as this will be the conclusion to the mass effect trilogy.

Modifié par Gromphadelic, 30 mars 2011 - 02:18 .