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[Trophonius]

Siduri wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

There's no difference, but you always have this guilt in the back of your mind since she trusted you enough to reveal Flemeth's intentions for her. I imagine living your life with the sole purpose of being a vessel for someone must be sh*tty.

Flemeth says (or heavily implies) in DA:O that Morrigan is lying about that, in order to manipulate you into attacking Flemeth. I actually believe Flemeth over Morrigan. Flemeth saved my Warden's life, and my Warden wasn't going to repay her with murder.

So, no guilt here !

I'm more suspicious of Flemeth than Morrigan. It's strange how she turns up to save your life many times, but ends up abducting your characters for some freak experiment she's conducting. Not trustworthy.....at all.

[Vhalkyrie]

Koffeegirl wrote...
I remember this as well. It was way back though, when DA2 and Flemeth were first announced. I think it was in response to "How can Flemeth be alive if I killed in her Origins?" But he could of meant that it would be explained how she was still alive.....which DA2 does with the whole locket thing.
Still it would of been cool to have it recognized if the Warden let her live(although, I only did that in one playthough cause Morrigan and my Warden are good friends)

Edit:A cookie for anyone who dares go back to threads from the summer to find the post.)

It was explained how Flemeth could be alive if you killed her.  But now it leaves the question, why was she hitchhiking in an amulet if she's not dead?  

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 28 mars 2011 - 08:53 .

[Brockololly]

Koffeegirl wrote...
I remember this as well. It was way back though, when DA2 and Flemeth were first announced. I think it was in response to "How can Flemeth be alive if I killed in her Origins?" But he could of meant that it would be explained how she was still alive.....which DA2 does with the whole locket thing.
Still it would of been cool to have it recognized if the Warden let her live(although, I only did that in one playthough cause Morrigan and my Warden are good friends)

Edit:A cookie for anyone who dares go back to threads from the summer to find the post.)

I'm thinking that its this post perhaps I'm thinking of:

David Gaider wrote...
As we've pointed out before, Hawke meets Flemeth right after the fall of Lothering-- this is after the Warden first meets Flemeth but before  it's possible to get and perform Morrigan's quest to kill her.

As to how that ties into what the Warden might or might not have done in  DAO regarding Flemeth-- well, you'll just have to see. But we certainly  don't ignore it. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

So sure, we see Flemeth resurrected, but if its one size fits all whether your Warden killed Flemeth or let her go, isn't that sort of ignoring what the Warden did? Or is Flemeth's reference to her "appointment" just a vague reference to her meeting up with the Warden, whether she was killed or not?

Modifié par Brockololly, 28 mars 2011 - 08:57 .

[Koffeegirl]

Maybe it's because even the Warden doesn't kill her in DAO, she knows that Morrigan will be after her eventually, as implied in Witch Hunt(whether you killer her or not) and DA2. Perhaps, she is taking all possible precautions. I really hope in future games the whole plot of Morrigan/Flemeth will be revealed as I have still have no idea what either are planning. Flemeth has meddled in so many things....the whole promise from Maric, saving the Wardens, wanting Morrigan to make the old god baby, saving Hawke.....what is she up to,.,,,,,

[Koffeegirl]

Brockololly wrote...

Koffeegirl wrote...
I remember this as well. It was way back though, when DA2 and Flemeth were first announced. I think it was in response to "How can Flemeth be alive if I killed in her Origins?" But he could of meant that it would be explained how she was still alive.....which DA2 does with the whole locket thing.
Still it would of been cool to have it recognized if the Warden let her live(although, I only did that in one playthough cause Morrigan and my Warden are good friends)

Edit:A cookie for anyone who dares go back to threads from the summer to find the post.)

I'm thinking that its this post perhaps I'm thinking of:

David Gaider wrote...
As we've pointed out before, Hawke meets Flemeth right after the fall of Lothering-- this is after the Warden first meets Flemeth but before  it's possible to get and perform Morrigan's quest to kill her.

As to how that ties into what the Warden might or might not have done in  DAO regarding Flemeth-- well, you'll just have to see. But we certainly  don't ignore it. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

So sure, we see Flemeth resurrected, but if its one size fits all whether your Warden killed Flemeth or let her go, isn't that sort of ignoring what the Warden did? Or is Flemeth's reference to her "appointment" just a vague reference to her meeting up with the Warden, whether she was killed or not?

That's the one I was thinking of. Sending a box of cookies your way.

Modifié par Koffeegirl, 28 mars 2011 - 09:05 .

[Vhalkyrie]

I understand that she would give Hawke the amulet "just in case". But even if it doesn't happen, she still gets summoned on Sundermount. She just doesn't want to fly all that way, I suppose.

[Torax]

Flemeth and Morrigan are crafty and dangerous. I think the writers are more sympathetic to Morrigan though. Keep in mind neither will reveal their real plans. Flemeth was so crafty even in how she acted in front of Morrigan and the Wardens. Meanwhile when Hawke meets her outside of Lothering? Flemeth is completely lucid, feisty and far more in control. Meanwhile in Origins she seemed nutty and off a bit even when you approach her to kill her for morrigan she seems to still be missing some bolts.

[FaeQueenCory]

Siduri wrote...

I never killed Flemeth (I love her). Yes, the beginning sequences are exactly the same.

Same here. Even her "resurrection" is the same.

[Mr.House]

The amulet is like a Horcrux. It has part of her in it. Flemeth was not in the amulet, only part of her is. If she was killed, then when you go to the top of Sundermount, it's her resurrection. If she is not dead, then we have two Flemeths ruining around. Really, it's not hard to understand people.

[UltiPup]

I never killed her because I couldn't. I am such a weak willed person...

Two Flemeths? I highly doubt that. That is not her purpose. The amulet was a fail safe in case the Warden did kill her. If not, then just a piece of her came to life and is brooding until it can rejoin the whole. I see no plot reference or even a point for Flemeth to tear herself apart.

[Mr.House]

UltiPup wrote...

I never killed her because I couldn't. I am such a weak willed person...

Two Flemeths? I highly doubt that. That is not her purpose. The amulet was a fail safe in case the Warden did kill her. If not, then just a piece of her came to life and is brooding until it can rejoin the whole. I see no plot reference or even a point for Flemeth to tear herself apart.

Flemeth herself says why can't I be in two places at once? The amulet was not just a fail safe, it was made so she could get out of Fereldan but she also had to stay for her apointment with the Warden. Thus she put a part of her in the amulet.

Modifié par Mr.House, 28 mars 2011 - 09:54 .

[Vhalkyrie]

The Circle is not Hogwarts. We all understood from her explanation that a tiny part of her was in it. Two Flemeths would cause more story holes and branching problems.  If the Warden didn't kill her, then Flemeth died by some other unknown force, or she was just teleported. Maybe she just doesn't like transcontinental flights and wanted to be beamed up to Kirkwall.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 28 mars 2011 - 09:57 .

[UltiPup]

Mr.House wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

I never killed her because I couldn't. I am such a weak willed person...

Two Flemeths? I highly doubt that. That is not her purpose. The amulet was a fail safe in case the Warden did kill her. If not, then just a piece of her came to life and is brooding until it can rejoin the whole. I see no plot reference or even a point for Flemeth to tear herself apart.

Flemeth herself says why can't I be in two places at once? The amulet was not just a fail safe, it was made so she could get out of Fereldan but she also had to stay for her apointment with the Warden. Thus she put a part of her in the amulet.

Yeah Flemeth is making a point of her unnatural presence. She could be in multiple places at once, but I don't see how that would help her. It is a neat trick for her to survive. Just saying, if you didn't kill her, then I imagine that the Flemeths would just merge again.

[Mr.House]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The Circle is not Hogwarts. We all understood from her explanation that a tiny part of her was in it. Two Flemeths would cause more story holes and branching problems. I doubt there are multiple copies, she's not a cylon either. If the Warden didn't kill her, then Flemeth died by some other unknown force, or she was just teleported. Maybe she just doesn't like transcontinental flights and wanted to be beamed up to Kirkwall.

You seem to forget how powerful Flemeth is. She is not even from this world and her magic is not from the circle. The amulet was made for two reasons.

1:So she could get out of Fereldan
2:So she could stay for her apoitment with the Warden.

There are two Flemeths if you don't kill her and that will stay that way until they find each other and rejoin. If it was teleporting, then she would not have returned at all, she returned because she split her self.

[Well]

Several times I killed her.I also left her alone quite a few times.One time I let her go.

[Torax]

I think what is more likely that two parts of Flemeth would eventually communicate and decide who would stay and who would die. The original would just turn into something weak and small and allow it'self to be killed. That would allow Flemeth to not be followed. There is so many ways they could spin it. The result in the end is just an easy way to continue to have this crafty powerful being walking around. Hell, should we even take Morrigan's word as truth that it's a demon that Flemeth merged with? What if it was one of the old gods or even an Elven God?

What if Flemeth is the Dread Wolf? Yup I went there.

Modifié par Torax, 28 mars 2011 - 10:06 .

[Mr.House]

Flemeth merging with a elven god would make sense since she has ties to the Dalish and they teat her with respect and fear.

[Vhalkyrie]

Mr.House wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The Circle is not Hogwarts. We all understood from her explanation that a tiny part of her was in it. Two Flemeths would cause more story holes and branching problems. I doubt there are multiple copies, she's not a cylon either. If the Warden didn't kill her, then Flemeth died by some other unknown force, or she was just teleported. Maybe she just doesn't like transcontinental flights and wanted to be beamed up to Kirkwall.

You seem to forget how powerful Flemeth is. She is not even from this world and her magic is not from the circle. The amulet was made for two reasons.

1:So she could get out of Fereldan
2:So she could stay for her apoitment with the Warden.

There are two Flemeths if you don't kill her and that will stay that way until they find each other and rejoin. If it was teleporting, then she would not have returned at all, she returned because she split her self.

No one forgets how powerful Flemeth is.  We all get it.  We don't know what Flemeth is.  Your two points are also common knowledge.

But I don't agree there are two Flemeths.   She puts a tiny part of herself in the amulet as 'insurance' and sends Hawke off to Kirkwall.  The blight ends about 6 months later.  A year later, Hawke has finished his/her mercenary commitments.  Flemeth may or may not have been killed by the Warden.  So if Flemeth is still alive, and the Sundermount ritual is performed, I'll buy that the pieces of her 'soul' were recombined, and she was recombobulated on Sundermount.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 28 mars 2011 - 10:09 .

[Kotetsimaru]

Am i the only person who got the chat option to ask her why she was in the amulet?
She states it's not actually her but a part of her, she doesn't know what has happened to the other her but this version of her was created as an insurance policy in case her daughter had something planned.
If the other her is dead then this is now Flemeth, if the other her is still alive then they'll find eachother and be put back together.

Modifié par Kotetsimaru, 28 mars 2011 - 10:14 .

[Mr.House]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The Circle is not Hogwarts. We all understood from her explanation that a tiny part of her was in it. Two Flemeths would cause more story holes and branching problems. I doubt there are multiple copies, she's not a cylon either. If the Warden didn't kill her, then Flemeth died by some other unknown force, or she was just teleported. Maybe she just doesn't like transcontinental flights and wanted to be beamed up to Kirkwall.

You seem to forget how powerful Flemeth is. She is not even from this world and her magic is not from the circle. The amulet was made for two reasons.

1:So she could get out of Fereldan
2:So she could stay for her apoitment with the Warden.

There are two Flemeths if you don't kill her and that will stay that way until they find each other and rejoin. If it was teleporting, then she would not have returned at all, she returned because she split her self.

No one forgets how powerful Flemeth is.  We all get it.  We don't know what Flemeth is.  Your two points are also common knowledge.

But I don't agree there are two Flemeths.   She puts a tiny part of herself in the amulet as 'insurance' and sends Hawke off to Kirkwall.  The blight ends about 6 months later.  A year later, Hawke has finished his/her mercenary commitments.  Flemeth may or may not have been killed by the Warden.  So if Flemeth is still alive, and the Sundermount ritual is performed, I'll buy that the pieces of her 'soul' were recombined, and she was drawn to Sundermount.

See? We agree. Besides two Flemeths walking for ever would be scary

[Taura-Tierno]

Perhaps the other Flemeth died of old age, without a Morrigan to possess?

Although, she did say that she was just a "fragment", right? So, what if there already are several other fragments? That is, several Flemeth's running around the world, in various places. If she is something greater, which certainly seems to be the case, I wouldn't be surprised if she has several avatars.

"Must I be in only one place. Bodies are such limiting things. I am but a fragment cast adrift from the whole. A bit of floatsam to cling to in the storm."

Here's the entire conversation:

Modifié par Taura-Tierno, 28 mars 2011 - 10:47 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

I can never resist a High Dragon fight--which is funny, because I love those things.

But yes, I always fight Flemeth.

[Vhalkyrie]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

Perhaps the other Flemeth died of old age, without a Morrigan to possess?

You know, that is something to consider.  Morrigan did say Flemeth needed a properly 'seasoned' host.  She sent Morrigan off in order to be 'finalized'.  If Morrigan didn't return, Flemeth may have expired, and she needed another lifeline.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 28 mars 2011 - 10:50 .

[Wulfram]

Brockololly wrote...

So sure, we see Flemeth resurrected, but if its one size fits all whether your Warden killed Flemeth or let her go, isn't that sort of ignoring what the Warden did? Or is Flemeth's reference to her "appointment" just a vague reference to her meeting up with the Warden, whether she was killed or not?

Of course the Warden doesn't necessarily have to meet Flemeth again at all.  I had one who just didn't want to give the spooky looking book to the the mean apostate, and thus avoided the whole plot.

[Vhalkyrie]

Wulfram wrote...
Of course the Warden doesn't necessarily have to meet Flemeth again at all.  I had one who just didn't want to give the spooky looking book to the the mean apostate, and thus avoided the whole plot.

I'm not sure what the 'appointment' was either.

- Flemeth meets the Warden and Alistair when they retrieve the Warden papers.
- Flemeth rescues the Warden and Alistair from the tower at Ostagar, drops them off at the hut.
- Flemeth sends Morrigan with the Warden.

Couple months later:
- Lothering is attacked by darkspawn, Hawke and Co flees.
- Flemeth watches Hawke battle the Ogre, then takes them to port.  Sends Hawke with the amulet, and they go to Kirkwall.  Amulet won't be delivered for a year.

Warden may or may not come to kill her.  I'm not sure the appointment was with the Warden.  It's so nebulous, and Flemeth so mysterious, it could be anything.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 28 mars 2011 - 11:02 .